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"Attrition rate among scientists in DRDO almost zero now"

Its not only with DRDO ,but its a bad news for all techies he..he..
 
let me tell you guys .recruitment form IIT's is really very good step.you will see change in efficiency and quality of work from DRDO.:victory:
 
Thats not such a good news.
DRDO engineers suck(not all, of course, some gems do exist, some departments are better off).
I hope they rip off DRDO and bring a new organization with a new name and work culture. In placs like this seniority does not depend on merit. Morover a screw up screws up more and more as he grows up to be a senior.

Do you know how many people from IIT go to DRDO? Even if the numbers are not so bad, only left overs and few determined people go there.


So... to end, atrition rate = 0 may imply that the old junk gets stuck there.


God save DRDO...
 
Thats not such a good news.
DRDO engineers suck(not all, of course, some gems do exist, some departments are better off).
I hope they rip off DRDO and bring a new organization with a new name and work culture. In placs like this seniority does not depend on merit. Morover a screw up screws up more and more as he grows up to be a senior.

Do you know how many people from IIT go to DRDO? Even if the numbers are not so bad, only left overs and few determined people go there.



So... to end, atrition rate = 0 may imply that the old junk gets stuck there.


God save DRDO...

this year first time DRDO came to IIT Madras for recruitment,never before they came here.they took 7 guys and same goes for rest of the iits. i hope it answers your question.
 
Thats not such a good news.
DRDO engineers suck(not all, of course, some gems do exist, some departments are better off).
I hope they rip off DRDO and bring a new organization with a new name and work culture. In placs like this seniority does not depend on merit. Morover a screw up screws up more and more as he grows up to be a senior.

Do you know how many people from IIT go to DRDO? Even if the numbers are not so bad, only left overs and few determined people go there.


So... to end, atrition rate = 0 may imply that the old junk gets stuck there.


God save DRDO...

Attrition was huge problem for DRDO. Most young engineers would use DRDO as a launch platform as their training is vastly superior to the training that any private company can offer. DRDO spends a substantial amount on the training of young engineers and scientists. Due to the tremendous opportunities available in the private industry, the fresh recruits would stay for a year or two at max and hop to greener pastures in the private sector where the initial remuneration would be at least twice of what they would get in DRDO. This way DRDO was loosing lot of skilled man power per project and would have to start training fresh personnel for the same project. This led to crippling delays in the project.

Now, the scenario is very different. After the sixth pay commission, the salaries of fresh recruits are on par or higher than what is paid in the private sector. A fresh recruit can easily get Rs. 25-30k in hand with a CTC of about 35-37k. Add to that the job security in DRDO compared to the private sector. Same is the case with ISRO, HAL, BEL, BHEL etc. Did you know, recently ISRO received over a lakh and a half applications for just 500 openings.

Coming to the point about skilled man power joining organizations like DRDO & ISRO. Well to be very frank, some of the very best in the country who are not lured by the temptation of going abroad join DRDO & ISRO. I will even go so far as to say that if these guys want to move out of DRDO or ISRO, any private company will gobble them. I am an IIT alumnus myself and now I am in IISc, Bangalore. While at IIT I had offers from NASA, Boeing R&D, GE R&D and Volvo R&D, but I chose to pursue higher studies, so I came to IISc. Had several opportunities to go abroad too but I stuck with IISc. Here I have worked on several consultancy projects for DRDO and I can vouch for the quality of work they do. Also, there are several others like me in the country.

We are seeing a gradual shift in the perceptions of young graduates today in India. Not many want to leave the country and go abroad. A lot of bright guys now prefer to pursue higher studies. Let me give you an example. Here in IISc we received thousands of applications for graduate admissions this year. Such a trend is unprecedented. Eventually, the admissions committee of various depts. will have to interview hundreds of candidates. The trend is no different in IITs and other research institutions like BARC, TIFR, JNCASR etc. Part of the credit should go to the previous two govts. too. PhD stipend has literally doubled in just a few years. There are talks of making it on par with private company salaries. A prof. in IISc earns close to a lakh a month apart from all the consultancy fees he gets. A good prof. can make as much as 2-3 lakhs a month. The competition is phenomenal. I personally know a few very reputed NRI profs from reputed US universities who couldn't get faculty positions in IISc due to the competition.

It is all happening for the good. We must also thank recession for this. World's loss is India's gain!

Cheers!
 
Defence research agency woos graduates to design drones

Bangalore (IANS): In a bid to lure graduate engineers for a bright career in aerospace technologies, the state-run remier Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has selected 10 college teams from across the country to demonstrate low-cost unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) they have designed and developed for reconnaissance.

"The teams will demonstrate their technology prowess with the low-cost UAVs they have built at our test range in Kolar (about 100 km from here) Tuesday. The top two teams will be selected on the performance of their surveillance systems," DRDO chief controller for research and development (R&D) Prahlada told reporters here Saturday.

A UAV is a remotely piloted aircraft. They are either controlled from a remote location or flown on pre-programmed flight planes using dynamic automation systems. UAVs perform reconnaissance as well as attack missions. They are also used in a small but growing number of civil applications, such as firefighting.

The top two teams will be awarded cash prizes of Rs.300,000 and Rs.200,000, in this first-of-its-kind initiative by the defence research agency to motivate engineering graduates in designing systems and products for the Indian armed forces.

"The demo involves flying the pilotless aircraft at a height of 50-100 feet and up to a distance of 100 metres to capture a man-sized object and relaying it to a ground system," Prahlada said.

The nationwide competition, being held as part of the defence research agency's golden jubilee year, attracted 270 colleges from the across the country.

None of the engineering colleges from Bangalore, touted as the aerospace hub of India, qualified for the final selections.

Among the 10 college teams qualified for the flight demo are Amity School of Engineering & Technology, Noida; Delhi College of Engineering, New Delhi; Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Chennai; National Institute of Technology (NIT), Surathkal in Mangalore and Silchar in Assam, Thapar University, Patiala and Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute, Mumbai.

"The global meltdown and slackening demand in the knowledge or IT sector has turned out to be a blessing in disguise for us, as more and more engineers are opting for a career in defence research projects spanning aerospace technologies such as avionics, navigation, radars, armaments, missiles and UAVs," Prahlada said.

With prospects of tapping bright engineering talent improving, the Bangalore-based DRDO has been able to attract about 1,000 graduates last year for a promising career in defence R&D projects. About 20 B.Tech grads from the IITs have joined us last year.

"We have not only been able to attract bright talent, but also retain them. Our attrition level has dropped to zero from a high of 18 percent in 2007-08. About 50 lateral engineers, who left the organisation in the recent past, have applied to rejoin.

"We have also received applications from about 100 non-resident Indian (NRI) engineers and scientists from abroad for suitable postings in commensurate with their M.Sc. and Ph.D. qualifications," Prahlada pointed out.
 
this year first time DRDO came to IIT Madras for recruitment,never before they came here.they took 7 guys and same goes for rest of the iits. i hope it answers your question.

B.Tech or M.Tech ? Hardly any B.tech has joined DRDO in past couple of years.

DRDO able to get B.techs from IIT's would be an achievement.
 
B.Tech or M.Tech ? Hardly any B.tech has joined DRDO in past couple of years.

DRDO able to get B.techs from IIT's would be an achievement.

Hi! DRDO has considerable number of IITians (B.Tech, M.Tech & PhD). But not enough for anybody's liking. However, one must understand that an IIT B.Tech needn't necessarily be the best in any organization. Sometimes I feel that we IITians are most of the times overrated! When I was in IIT powai, even my notion wasn't any different from yours. It was like a frog in the well situation for us. We used to think that we are the best in the world. But, after coming to IISc my thinking has changed for good. There are plenty of IITians here who do great quality research, but the non IITians are also equally good and some even better than the IITians. It is true that most IITians are brilliant, but brilliance doesn't equate to good quality research. Even Abdul Kalam wasn't an IITian, but look at the quality of work he did! btw did you know Abdul Kalam was denied a faculty postion in IISc Aerospace, simply because he didn't possess a PhD degree! (talk about competition!)

Actually, imo most fresh undergrads are wasted in an organization like DRDO if they don't stay back for long. They are expected to only do design analysis most of the times during their formative years. The real design and development is done by highly senior scientists and researchers with loads of experience. one has to grow in the organization to be able to reach that level. So if B.Tech guys do only design analysis, what is the difference if he is an IITan or not. It is a very mundane work that any engineer is capable of doing.

Also the notion that all IITians are always capable of getting into DRDO is also wrong. One of my batch mates couldn't even clear the written round of DRDO entrance. Several of them do pathetically in the interview and don't make it (We used to have a gala time ragging such guys). So, it all boils down to ones capability rather than background. DRDO maintains a certain standard in their entrance criteria. Anyone who matches or surpasses that standard can make it into DRDO. Be it an IITian or non IITian. The only difference in the present scenario is that the talent pool to choose from will be much much higher than before. The acceptance/rejection ratio will be some thing like 1:100. Now that s a very high rejection rate. Those who make it, irrespective of their background will be highly competitive. Also, the chances of the accepted ones leaving in between are also reduced due to the better working conditions, higher remuneration, recession and loads of other factors.
 
Hi,

DRDO should have had a minimal term served clause in the hiring contract like at least 5 years of minimum term of employment---any early resignation---then the employee will have to pay a X amount back as training expenses---plus a conflict of interest caluse as well---when they leave the job---they cannot work for 3 years in the same field anywhere else.

That would stop the drain.
 
Hi,

DRDO should have had a minimal term served clause in the hiring contract like at least 5 years of minimum term of employment---any early resignation---then the employee will have to pay a X amount back as training expenses---plus a conflict of interest caluse as well---when they leave the job---they cannot work for 3 years in the same field anywhere else.

That would stop the drain.

Then DRDO will not even be able to get the NITians that they get now.
Most of them joins because there is no restriction of training on some of the most advanced design and R&D tools available, a free sponsored M.Tech/Phd from IIT etc. As soon as they achieve these targets, they quit and join private companies with excellent pay.

If DRDO needs to retain quality , they need to increase salary to be at par or exceeding private sectors. For an young engineer, although patriotism is important but something that maters more is a challenging job, good future prospect and a good pay to take home.
 

Thursday, June 11, 2009

New Delhi (PTI) Seeking strict adherence to deadlines, Defence Minister A K Antony on Thursday asked officials from production and R&D departments to boost performance and said a high-level committee will be set up to restructure the DRDO.

During a series of meetings, Mr. Antony told the officials to shape up their functioning to meet delivery schedules of weapons and platforms for the armed forces to enable them to face the national security challenges.

He also named Defence Secretary Vijay Singh as the chairman of the high-level committee that would draw up a roadmap for implementing the P Rama Rao Committee report for restructuring the DRDO, which was submitted early last year.

The Rao Committee report had sought an over-haul of the DRDO's organisational structure, apart from calling for providing it a say in the country's defence procurement.

It had also recommended that the DRDO should restrict its work to some critical capabilities, and let out its labs to other scientific organisations to carry research and development in the other areas.

Other members of the committee, Defence Ministry sources said, would be Defence Production Secretary, Defence Services Welfare Secretary, Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister, Defence Finance Secretary and the Vice Chiefs of the Army, Navy and Air Force.

The Hindu News Update Service
 

Perhaps due to fallout of the economic slowdown, the defence research establishment has at least one reason to smile.

Attrition in its 7,000-strong scientific pool has swung to zero per cent, down from an average 18 per cent attrition in 2006 and 2007.

“Fortunately, there has been hardly any attrition in the last two years. It used to be around 18 per cent three years ago,” said Dr Prahlada, Chief Controller-R&D (SI), Defence Research & Development Organisation.

IIT-ians join

“Not just that, this year we got 20 BTechs from IITs for the first time. Earlier, it was difficult for us to get even five IIT-ians,” he said at a news conference here to announce a competition for colleges.

One obvious reason for the rush towards secure public labs is the global slowdown and uncertain job situation in the IT sector – which has mainly eaten into the brain pool of DRDO and such organisations.

Dr Prahlada said DRDO’s 51 labs were now ever more attractive as they offered quality work in missile and armament technologies, unfettered scientific interactions, a sizeable pay revision recently and faster promotions. Some more incentives could be in the offing.

An entry-level scientist B, for example, gets a gross monthly pay of Rs 35,000 against the Rs 21,500 before 2009, (told ya!:azn:) Dr Prahlada told Business Line.

Keen To Return

In addition to this, some 100 overseas Indians with MS and PhDs were keen to work with the labs. Nearly 50 mid-level scientists who had quit the defence labs also wanted to return and DRDO was trying to fit them suitably after tests.

Each year, 500 to 600 scientists are recruited through a common science entry test or campus recruitments. Nearly 50,000 took the exam. (acceptance rate 1 in 100):tup:

“The difference this year was that we got good quality recruits from IITs and NITs,” he said.

The defence R&D budget is also expected to increase 10 per cent over last year’s Rs 6,000 crore. The labs are developing technologies ranging from aeronautics, armaments, avionics, electronics, software, life sciences, materials, missiles and combat vehicles for the armed forces.

In 10 years, the Government of India plans to spend Rs 2,00,000 crore ($40 bil) on programmes to develop, manufacture, upgrade or acquire aeronautical products and technologies required for civil and military use.

This spanned the defence labs, the National Aerospace Labs under the CSIR; Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd; launch vehicles of ISRO; unmanned air vehicles and rockets.

The amount would be spent through the public and private sector industries, Government labs and universities. All this, he said, made it the golden period in the country for science and technology, defence, space and atomic energy.

Student Model Trials

DRDO has identified 20 technology challenges that it wants to bridge by tapping talent in universities and industry. On Tuesday it will evaluate flight trials of remote-controlled airborne surveillance systems developed by 10 college teams from across the country.

The 10 competing teams were chosen from out of nearly 270 teams that submitted their approach paper last year, the golden jubilee year of DRDO

The teams will demonstrate their technologies at the DRDO testing range at Veerapura in Kolar, some 80 km from Bangalore.

The first and second best teams will be given cash prizes of Rs 3 lakh and Rs 2 lakh, respectively. DRDO will help to patent any innovation and try to take it forward for low-intensity conflict applications.

“We gave them the design goals, altitude and imagery details for a ‘deployable low-cost, outdoor surveillance system’.

DRDO is trying to nurture creativity and innovation among students,” Dr Prahlada said.

The teams are from IIT-Madras, NITs of Surathkal and Silchar; Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University; Rajalakshmi Engineering College, Thandalam; Delhi College of Engineering Amity School of Engineering & Technology, Noida; Veermata Jijabai Technological Institute, Mumbai, and a college each from Bareilly and Patiala.

The Hindu Business Line : Quality recruits, near zero attrition at DRDO
 

PUNE: A record 350 young scientists (three times the intake of last batch) have opted for a defence research training programme at the
prestigious Defence Institute of Advance Technology (DIAT).

The Post Induction Training School course, popularly known as POINTS, started in 2003. The previous batch had only 113 admissions.

"A lot of talent is hidden is rural areas. Our institute has made efforts to reach up to this talent through the campus selection process. This has helped in bringing more youngsters in the field of defence research," said G C Pant, Dean (Academics), DIAT. "There are many lucrative options available for students with science background, still many are opting for defence research, which is a welcome sign. Still more efforts are required though," he added.

When asked if recession has had any impact on increased number of admissions this year, Pant opined that lack of job security is definitely making youngsters think of safer options.

"The objective of POINTS is to inspire scientists to join defence forces. We are happy that our initiative has succeeded," said N M Raju, a senior scientist with the DIAT.

The DIAT is a deemed university (DU), and a premier DRDO establishment, which awards M Tech, doctorate and master in science degrees, besides short-term courses.

Number of scientists at DIAT triples - Pune - Cities - The Times of India
 
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