Atheism: Next threat to humanity

[Fawadqasim1]

Aoa up



I think I may have miscommunicated my point. I understand how the chemistry of the brain is linked to the affects on the mind.

I am talking about a more fundamental question: how do we know that others are truly conscious or not? I'm talking about the Philosophical Zombie.

A theoretical person that is indistinguishable from a normal person in all things except that it does not 'experience' consciousness.

Is there any scientific way to know whether others are conscious or merely have the same physiological processes that we have but without a 'mind'?

That's why most scientific studies about consciousness are actually merely studying the activity in the brain and how it relates to the experiences reported by subjects. Consciousness is not studied directly.

My point is that it is important to understand what exactly science is what its current limits are. Otherwise it becomes a religion in its own right.

The theoretical model of the universe we have is based upon the theories we currently have of thibgs around us. The things (for instance consciousness) that we have yet to detect in an objective manner, let alone form a proper scientific theory about, haven't been integrated into that overall understanding of the world around us.

We can use the theories of physics and extrapolate a whole lot from them. That is all the theories of the origin of the cosmos are limited to the fundamental forces and laws and theories we currently understand.

Yet, we know conscious minds exist within ourselves, and conscious action too exists with it. However, since we lack the scientific understanding of consciousness we cannot integrate this into iur overall understanding of the universe.

That is why there is no scientific theory that accounts for a conscious Creator, because we have such little understanding of the conscious minds we ourselves possess. Yet our consciousness is the most real of all that we know. Cogito, ergo sum.


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My point is that as far science is concerned, the safest position is agnosticism. The question of whether God exists or not, is simply not a scientifically answerable question at this point in time.

Atheism, or denying that God exists, as most athiests I have seen do, is not a scientific position.

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Whether God created all of this or not is question that is best suited for philosophy and logic etc.

What God wants is mostly only solvable via revelation as even if one were to ascertain that God exists using logic, it would be harder to find out what God wants without God actually telling us.

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bro philosophy won't work for them trust me I know I was one of them.
But what you are saying is absolutely true

 

[Mage]

Aoa



I think I may have miscommunicated my point. I understand how the chemistry of the brain is linked to the affects on the mind.

I am talking about a more fundamental question: how do we know that others are truly conscious or not? I'm talking about the Philosophical Zombie.

A theoretical person that is indistinguishable from a normal person in all things except that it does not 'experience' consciousness.

Is there any scientific way to know whether others are conscious or merely have the same physiological processes that we have but without a 'mind'?

That's why most scientific studies about consciousness are actually merely studying the activity in the brain and how it relates to the experiences reported by subjects. Consciousness is not studied directly.

My point is that it is important to understand what exactly science is what its current limits are. Otherwise it becomes a religion in its own right.

The theoretical model of the universe we have is based upon the theories we currently have of thibgs around us. The things (for instance consciousness) that we have yet to detect in an objective manner, let alone form a proper scientific theory about, haven't been integrated into that overall understanding of the world around us.

We can use the theories of physics and extrapolate a whole lot from them. That is all the theories of the origin of the cosmos are limited to the fundamental forces and laws and theories we currently understand.

Yet, we know conscious minds exist within ourselves, and conscious action too exists with it. However, since we lack the scientific understanding of consciousness we cannot integrate this into iur overall understanding of the universe.

That is why there is no scientific theory that accounts for a conscious Creator, because we have such little understanding of the conscious minds we ourselves possess. Yet our consciousness is the most real of all that we know. Cogito, ergo sum.


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My point is that as far science is concerned, the safest position is agnosticism. The question of whether God exists or not, is simply not a scientifically answerable question at this point in time.

Atheism, or denying that God exists, as most athiests I have seen do, is not a scientific position.

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Whether God created all of this or not is question that is best suited for philosophy and logic etc.

What God wants is mostly only solvable via revelation as even if one were to ascertain that God exists using logic, it would be harder to find out what God wants without God actually telling us.

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We can't prove that others are conscious. We can't prove that others actually exist to begin with. They might very well be an imagination of our brain. But even if others are simply an imagination of our mind it doesn't change anything for us. We have to go on with our lives as usual.

Same way we cannot prove with 100% certainty that no higher power exist. But even a God exist there is no point pondering about it is possibly impossible to know what it wants from us.

Like Sidd said, in the end it all comes down to your believe. But your belief should be your personal thing and others should not be forcefully subjected to it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

How easy to attack other beliefs/religion/thoughts. What if Tomorrow someone will open threads about Islam or Muhammad with same title?. We should not attack other thoughts/beliefs. Let respect their thoughts and get respect..
Regards

The problem is, they want to dismantle all belief systems, all morals all norms, everything that sustained humans till this very day.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

One liner
We deduce God from the whole.
I.e the sum total of all of our experiences.

 

[zip]

Pretty much like belief of God. We don't know what it is or rather it is a thing to begin with. Neither we know how it works or what it does. Yet we have so many theories regarding it.

The problem with consciousness or God is the one who is searching is the one who he is looking for ..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Which wars were they ?

Wwi ans ii.

 

[Mage]

Wwi ans ii.

What atheism had to do with those wars?

 

[MultaniGuy]

What atheism had to do with those wars?

Wasn't USSR a communist country during ww2.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Aoa

bro philosophy won't work for them trust me I know I was one of them.

I know. However, I hope that maybe if we have a good respectful discussion, maybe we will leave with a little more respect for the other side as people. Learn something about the other person, maybe they learn something about us.

At the end of the day, all we can do is try and have an honest and respectful exchange of ideas. These forums, the Internet helps with such things. Imagine talking to someone thousands of miles away, and learning about their ideas on such fundamental questions. I find it most fascinating and rewarding, provided it is done with respect and honesty.

Guidance is not in our hand, it belongs with God alone. So I try to not worry about that too much.


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[Mage]

Wasn't USSR a communist country during ww2.

So? Did they fought the war to spread atheism? Or did they fought because they were threatened by Germans? And were Germany, USA, UK, France not Christian countries back then? Why single out Soviet then?

 

[fitpOsitive]

First of all thanks for mentioning in this topic. Now coming to the subject. Atheist are not a threat but they are people who believe in logic and it is your duty to bring them to reality. Explaining them is much easier and they believe in logical answer, just give them that.

They just dont want to hear it. If you ask an atheist why he doesnt believe in God, his/her answer will be unique. They recognise pain to be unexplained yet existant, but they want to experience God same as video game. Really it is getting out of hands now.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

I'm surprised this discussion hasn't been closed because it allows non-Muslim viewpoints to be expressed.

 

[MultaniGuy]

So? Did they fought the war to spread atheism? Or did they fought because they were threatened by Germans? And were Germany, USA, UK, France not Christian countries back then? Why single out Soviet then?

As if the Nazis were really Christian. LOL.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

There are many religions. Crom. Four winds. Whatever else. Religion is not only about the Abrahamic God.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

How easy to attack other beliefs/religion/thoughts. What if Tomorrow someone will open threads about Islam or Muhammad with same title?. We should not attack other thoughts/beliefs. Let respect their thoughts and get respect..
Regards

Who is attacking what was anyone abusive
and I don't agree with the title it is abusive
Should be changed by the op to "choice between theism and atheism. Which one will you choose
And why".