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Do not please shame Indians who live in complacency and get up from their sleep when they found BD high-grade goods at their customs doors.

Someday Walton high-quality goods will capture 50% of Indian market if India does not inhibit them at the border.

Dada, a claim has to be followed by evidence. Mon-gora kotha bolay ki luv??

Apnar India-tey cellphone manufacturing hoi na, assembly hoi.

Banya cow belt idiots will only invest the minimum needed to make money from clueless Indians. Even the labels are brought in from China for Karbonn phones - I know.

Samsung might decide to "assemble" phones in India, but "manufacture" is not a word I'd use, they are made from either Vietnamese or Chinese sub-assemblies screwed together in India, unless things have changed.

Samsung parts for Bangladesh (whatever not made locally) AFAIK come from Vietnam or China (some from Malaysia). India is not a source for Bangladesh cellphone manufacturing parts. If it is, it's for extremely non-critical parts. I seriously doubt they import anything for cellphone manufacturing from India.

I have shown you before how Walton manufactures cellphones from scratch (using SMD/SMT pick/place robotics for circuit boards) and makes their own screens, there is hardly this level of basic manufacturing in India.

Same thing for refrigerator compressors of many types which Bangladesh supplies to EU mfrs. Bangladeshi refrigerators will automatically be cheaper than Indian ones because compressors are sourced locally.

Bangladeshi level of consistency/quality is automatically higher because production processes are more automated.

Since Bangladesh labor costs are lower, and backward integration is higher in many sectors, retail cost in Bangladesh is automatically lower than India.

Your govt. can try all it wants - but ultimately Bangladeshi parts will be going into Indian phones and products will get smuggled into India.

Walton's PCB line. See the rest of the video too.


Walton's cellphone manufacturing


SMD/SMT Pick and Place Robots.

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‘Our vision is to be among the world’s top five brands’​

Ibrahim Hossain Ovi
  • Published at 11:40 pm November 29th, 2020
Walton Infograph


Says Walton MD Golam Murshed in an interview recently.

Seeing the rising anti-China sentiment in India, the US and much of the world, local electronics giant Walton has now set its sight on attracting buyers who are shifting away from China for procuring electronics and home appliance goods, said its top executive recently.

“But for that, branding Bangladesh is very crucial,” Golam Murshed, managing director of Walton Hi-Tech Industries, told Dhaka Tribune in an interview recently.

Globally, Bangladesh is still known as a third-world country.

But given the present economic status and growth, in absolute terms, Bangladesh is not a third world country anymore, he said.
“This is a big challenge for us in grabbing market share abroad. People simply don’t know about Bangladesh as a manufacturer of home appliances or electronic products.”

And that is where branding comes in, said Murshed, who was appointed the MD last month by the Walton board.

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“Bangladesh badly needs to showcase its strength in manufacturing electronics products.”

Other than that, it would not be difficult to match Walton’s foreign counterparts in terms of quality.

“It will not be tough for us as we have a pool of talented engineers who work relentlessly to improve the product quality,” said Murshed, who himself joined Walton in 2010 as an assistant engineer and quickly climbed the ranks.

For quality control and to reach world-class standards, Walton has hired talent from renowned global brands such as LG, Panasonic and Samsung.
And it sends engineers abroad on a regular basis so that they are on top of the latest technology.

Murshed went to cite the case of Walton’s recent export of television to Germany and compressor to Turkey amid the pandemic as a sign of the growing acceptance of its products abroad.

“Before importing from us, these companies were used to importing from other countries and they chose us for sourcing. This shows our strength.”
Murshed also cited Walton’s ascension in the domestic market over the decade to further his point.

“The dominance of foreign brands and imported goods have almost come to an end. This has been possible due to the quality of Walton goods and our affordable price.”

Walton has cornered 75 per cent of the market for refrigerators, 50 per cent for television and 20 per cent for air conditioners, according to Murshed, a mechanical engineering graduate from the Islamic University of Technology.

“In the last decade, we have conquered the domestic market and in the next decade, our vision is to become a global brand.

At present, Walton -- which manufactures a mindboggling array of gadgets ranging from mobile phones to laptops, washing machines to microwave ovens, blender to gas stoves, electric fans to LED bulbs -- exports to 40 countries in Africa, Europe and Asia.

The African countries and the Middle East could be big markets for Walton, according to Murshed, who previously served an additional MD at the company.
“There is a huge potential for finished goods there. Those countries prefer to import finished goods as there is manpower shortage and labour cost is high there.”

Closer to home, India, Nepal and Sri Lanka have good prospects.

“Considering the price and quality of products, Bangladesh will be the next destination for electronic goods and home appliances,” he said, adding that Walton has been taking advantage of the duty-free market access to the US, the EU and elsewhere that Bangladesh currently enjoys as a least-developed country.

But for now, Walton’s main focus is to ride out the pandemic, which has cost it a quarter of missed sales and that too at a time when the sales for certain items like refrigerators and ACs typically surge.

Its sales crashed a whooping 78 per cent to Tk 489 crore between April and June.

Subsequently, its profit in the 2019-20 financial year that ended on June 30 dropped 47.2 per cent to Tk 733.4 crore.

Even as the economy opened up from June, Walton’s sales are not springing back to pre-COVID level on account of pent-up demand.

In the July-September quarter, its profit declined 12 per cent year-on-year to Tk 401.7 crore.

“The pandemic is an unprecedented one for the world and it has also hit the sales of Walton. During the shutdown, our focus was on how to remain afloat and save our employees, who are like our family members.”

The homegrown electronic giant did not lay off a single worker or slashed salaries.


Walton’s second focus during the countrywide shutdown from March 26 to May 30 was on how to keep the supply chain operations to serve the customers.

“Giving priorities to customer’s demands, we delivered products on time maintaining a health safety protocol, which helped to rebound the sales,” Murshed added.

The share price of Walton, which made its stock market debut earlier this year, has been on a descent in recent days. Since November 12, its share price dropped 15.3 per cent. It closed at Tk 708.7 on Sunday.

As I said an idiotic response. One company do not make an industry. We so had Onida, Videocon etx. But when foreign OEM came in, they lost the business. BD doesn't even allow competition due to high import duties.

None of the electronics manufacturing major has called BD home yet. And that is the real status of your industry.

This is the last response to the ignorants. It's my fault actually trying to reason with "Chinese sucker" in the first place.

Let me tell you stats you , Korean made samsung same model cost 14700 inr (converted) in korea, indian made cost 15000 inr in india , and bangladeshi assembled costs 17500inr (converted) in Bangladesh , so how come your fellow @Bilal9 's statement hold ground regarding having 20 percent less cost as compared to indian assembled devices ?

In his imagined mind. Bro leave it. Let them leave at their dream Land.

The thing is BD don't have the tech to produce "poor quality" AL vehicles in the first place. And yes without them expanding their export basket they can't really export stuffs to India. Simple as that.
 
Wow! Even a small positive news has spiraled into this long winded argument :disagree:
 
depends on how much is manufactured indigenously . The advantage of lower manpower cost comes in only if actual manufacturing takes place in the country.
Else every country has a import duty even on imported components. Normally lower than completely built units.
Also automation in electronics has reduced the dependence on manpower to a certain extent.
Also dependence on unskilled labor can increase costs in house as well as in returns.
It's case by case though , totally dependent on import duties.

I can tell you the amount of LOCAL VALUE ADDITION is higher in producing LED TVs, cellphones, laptops, tablets by at least one company (WALTON). Which is higher than most companies in India.

That is because LED screens and all injection molded parts are made locally, multi-layer mother boards are made from scratch (even for cellphones) using wave-soldering process. Only System-on-Chip (SOC), Video Chip and SMT/SMD components for circuit boards are imported which is the case for even products made in China.

Walton have invested into machinery/processes to delve into a much deeper and comprehensive backward integration than most companies in the subcontinent where it can be called actual manufacturing - not just assembly.

So - if you do that, and add all these production value addition locally, your cost-to-end-customer or wholesaler is lower.

Please see the video I posted. Problem with the some of the bhakt audience here is that most are non-technical, don't understand industrial processes, yet claim to be 'experts'.
 
Using the pretext of 'dumping' and "Rules of Origin"- to assign non-tariff barriers like add'l duty on Bangladesh exports to India.

On Bangladesh side we simply see it as illegal. There is a separate thread on this.
This is the precise reason we have WTO. All countries have the right to open a grievance with WTO regarding any country that feels it is being treated incorrectly regarding duties and dumping tariffs etc. WTO has the power to make eye-watering reparations if the rules are being breeched.
Your govt should do that immediately . You should be whining to your govt . The only reason for not doing that is an admission that no rules are being breeched.
The issue here is not whether India is ahead or not rather increasing trade gap and including clause with the line of credit that Bangladesh needs to pay back with interest must buy Indian products where better product may be available from other sources.

No one can force you to accept a line of credit just as a bank cannot force you to take a mortgage or a loan to buy a car. If however you happily accept the line of credit than you stick with the terms , just as when you obtain a mortgage to buy a house you do not have the right to go and buy yourself a pair of diamond earrings and a diamond necklace.
 
Let me tell you stats you , Korean made samsung same model cost 14700 inr (converted) in korea, indian made cost 15000 inr in india , and bangladeshi assembled costs 17500inr (converted) in Bangladesh , so how come your fellow @Bilal9 's statement hold ground regarding having 20 percent less cost as compared to indian assembled devices ?

There is VAT added when selling in Bangladesh as well as other costs. Prices in India will still be lower.

Bangladesh market and Indian market prices cannot be the same, we are looking at apples and oranges.

Indian market prices will always be lower for the same product because competition is higher and Indians demand a lot more for the price paid. More critical buyers. Profit Margins for retailers in India will always be lower than Bangladesh.

Take for example, one of the recent very affordable Walton cellphone models (this is for majority Indian market, please don't compare this to lower tier Karbonn models as it uses a lot higher quality components and keep in mind price vs. features), this sells for Tk. 5200 in Bangladesh. Price in India will be quite a bit lower.

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There is VAT added when selling in Bangladesh as well as other costs. Prices in India will still be lower.

Bangladesh market and Indian market prices cannot be the same, we are looking at apples and oranges.

Indian market prices will always be lower for the same product because competition is higher and Indians demand a lot more for the price paid. More critical buyers. Profit Margins for retailers in India will always be lower than Bangladesh.
So how will bangladeshi enter the market ? You guys will get same treatment as indian and other foreign brands
 
Its obviously a problem because India is net benefactor by huge margin. You understand that this is not sustainable in the long run?

Why should Bangladesh continue to be kind and buy indian products, if her own products is blocked from indian market. There has to be mutual trade concessions.

Bangladesh also have a big trade deficit with China, but atleast China did something about that and provided duty free access to thousands of BD export items. A friendly nation like India should be able to match that, atleast.

BD can easily use the same argument and say we wont subsidize indian export to us.
By the logic of tariffs, technically you guys should be having a bigger surplus, right? I mean there is no way in which your products can be costlier due to this one advantage. Has there been a market research done by your trade association to determine whether this is due to the market forces or some sort of bias? It'll be great if you could paste the report here.
 
There is VAT added when selling in Bangladesh as well as other costs. Prices in India will still be lower.

Bangladesh market and Indian market prices cannot be the same, we are looking at apples and oranges.

Indian market prices will always be lower for the same product because competition is higher and Indians demand a lot more for the price paid. More critical buyers. Profit Margins for retailers in India will always be lower than Bangladesh.

Then that means BD needs to expand its economies of scale in order to lower its costs. Pretty sure it is not a labour cost issue but more about the infrastructure and equipment costing. We face the same issue compared to more competitive manufacturing and assembly markets like Vietnam and China. Vietnamese have some amazing economies of scale and growing further.
 
The issue here is not whether India is ahead or not rather increasing trade gap and including clause with the line of credit that Bangladesh needs to pay back with interest must buy Indian products where better product may be available from other sources.
Low interest credit is just free money :woot:
 
So how will bangladeshi enter the market ? You guys will get same treatment as indian and other foreign brands

Bangladeshi products will not target higher end cellphone market in India, which are dominated by Chinese REDMI and REALME brands as well as Samsung and Apple of course. The Chinese phone price/quality ratio is higher than Bangladeshi and of course Indian cellphones because of economies of scale.

Where Bangladesh will do well is feature phones and lower priced smartphones such as the Primo H9 I posted above. They also might enter the market using OEM arrangement under Indian brand.

Indian labor cost is easily twice as much, as in Bangladesh - so I don't see a problem there price-wise.

The problem will come with these Indian customs and excise people trying to block Bangladeshi imports to India using flimsy pretexts.

Everyone knows these Indian customs people are on-the-take from Indian mfrs.

Net loser are Indian consumers who will not benefit from healthy competition and lower prices.
 
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Bangladesh exports to China appear to be on a decline in recent years

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While imports from China are increasing

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Low interest credit is just free money :woot:

Au contraire.

There is fine print in the contract that says credit given by Indians must be utilized using INDIAN goods and services.

That means these Indian suppliers and contractors can charge any damn price they want and supply any shoddy goods they want, which may not be a good deal for countries like Bangladesh.

We have seen this for fifty years.

No more.

Case in point, recent projects in Bangladesh (like the Khulna-Mongla rail link project) which has dragged on for ten plus years now for a 3 year project (use of sub par materials imported from India by L&T, IRCON) and cost has ballooned to 2.5 times the previous amount. This story is typical of ANY Indian project in Bangladesh.

Why should we assign projects to Indian firms if this is the typical result ? Chinese firms complete projects in record time. There are dozens of examples.


Bangladesh exports to China appear to be on a decline in recent years

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While imports from China are increasing

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This is attributable to consumer lockdowns in China. Bangladesh never slowed down.

Bangladesh industrial activity forged ahead 24/7 - covid be damned. We did not let a little thing like a pandemic stop us.

Everyone knows this.
 
Then that means BD needs to expand its economies of scale in order to lower its costs. Pretty sure it is not a labour cost issue but more about the infrastructure and equipment costing. We face the same issue compared to more competitive manufacturing and assembly markets like Vietnam and China. Vietnamese have some amazing economies of scale and growing further.

This will happen, consumer market in Bangladesh is expanding quite a bit.

Dumb fellow , your cost of production is higher , can't you interpret basic English , bangladeshi made products are expensive


Have you set our goods free of custom duties ? And you basically import those goods in large quantities from china and exports to India


Fair Electronics officials said assembling Samsung products in Bangladesh is allowing them to keep the prices low in the local market.

For example, the market price of the latest model of Samsung smartphone Galaxy Z Fold-3 5G in the global market including Europe-America is Tk1.7 lakh, which is Tk1.74 lakh in India. But Fair Electronics is selling the phone at Tk1.5 lakh in Bangladesh with cashback offers, lotteries and gifts.

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Mesbah Uddin said, "If it were not assembled in the country, 57% tax would have been added to the import price raising the phone's price to around Tk2 lakh."

Describing the benefits of re-engineering, he said, "The price of the popular RB21 218L refrigerator was Tk.49,990 in Bangladesh. But when we started manufacturing it, the price came down to Tk.34,000. Now we are in the process of re-engineering the model and it will further lower the price to below Tk.30,000."
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"The price of a popular 65-inch UHD TV is now Tk.110,000 which was over Tk.2 lakh before we started manufacturing. The same goes for washing machines and air conditioners," he added.
 
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