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It´s not wise to overestimate yourself. 2 days to defeat Taiwan? 2 weeks for the US to take Congress approval?
I see you are far away from the reality.

We have 1500 ballistic missiles point at them with the pinpoint accuracy, even our rocket artillery is more than 480km, which can easily cross the Straight of Taiwan.

The difference between PRC and ROC is just too much nowadays, it is not even a fair war.

PRC is a huge country with huge investment in its military technology, she now has nearly everything on her side, while ROC can only buy few limited weapons from USA with a ripoff price.

Just go to ask to the Taiwanese members here about the military difference between PRC and ROC.
 
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USA can defeat us in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but Taiwan is only 180km from us, it will take us no more than 2 days to bring them down, while US needs at least 2 weeks to get the nod from the congress before they can decide to intervene.
What happen if they only need to hours to get the nod? Can PLA withstand US's air strike? And how to withstand against F-22,B-2 in heavy jamming condition?
 
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What happen if they only need to hours to get the nod? Can PLA withstand US's air strike? And how to withstand against F-22,B-2 in heavy jamming condition?

Jamming condition? Their GPS gonna be knocked out in the first round.

China to Shoot Powerful Anti-Satellite Weapon: Dong Neng-2

Third testing of China

And the F-22 and B-2 without airport is just game over.

Even Iran can capture a small stealth UAV, do you truly that China has no capability to lock down a larger flying object like F-22 or B-2?
 
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Jamming condition? Their GPS gonna be knocked out in the first round.

China to Shoot Powerful Anti-Satellite Weapon: Dong Neng-2

Third testing of China

And the F-22 and B-2 without airport is just game over.

Even Iran can capture a small stealth UAV, do you truly that China has no capability to lock down a larger flying object like F-22 or B-2?
Oki,l don't know much abt how US can strike u when u attack TW.But it's unconvincing to say: China hasn't attack TW yet coz she wants a peaceful unification.

If China can't take back TW,it also means China can't strengthen its Naval forces to match with US in Pacific Ocean.
 
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Oki,l don't know much abt how US can strike u when u attack TW.But it's unconvincing to say: China hasn't attack TW yet coz she wants a peaceful unification.

Then why USA hasn't attacked Iran yet? And why she allows those Anti-American left-wing Latin countries like Cuba and Venezuela to remain until now?

The politics are sometimes too complicated to explain in words.

Nowadays the war is always the last option, you can only attack when someone really steps on your red line, otherwise attacking others without any sufficient reason will only make you look like the Nazi Germany.
 
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5 pages in 1 day. :smokin:

Can Japan please ASEAN member states?

By Zhou Shixin



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Japan's new government revealed a clear foreign policy trajectory soon after Shinzo Abe took office for a second term. After Japanese Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso visited Myanmar, Fumio Kishida, the country's foreign minister, visited the Philippines, Singapore and Brunei, signaling Japan's interest in Southeast Asia. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe made a visit to Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia, where he attended a series of consultations on various issues with senior government officials. These high-ranking deputations from Japan's new government have attracted significant attention of the international community.

The behavior of Japan's new government is reminiscent of U.S. President Barack Obama's administration shoring up relations with ASEAN member states following his reelection victory in 2012.

Looking at current events, it becomes readily apparent that Japan's recent interest in Southeast Asia holds particular significance. From an economic perspective, negotiations on the Japan-ASEAN Free Trade Agreement are, for all intents and purposes, settled. But the agreement has not yet been implemented, angering ASEAN member state officials.

ASEAN initiated the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) in 2011, and is similar in scope to the Comprehensive Economic Partnership in East Asia (CEPEA) supported by Japan, but emphasizes ASEAN regional cooperation. Japan is being forced to support ASEAN's position, but the country still needs to take concrete actions to alleviate concerns over its participation in the U.S.-led Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership negotiations.

From a political perspective, Japan's assertion to promote so-called value-oriented diplomacy in Southeast Asia is rather misleading. Political systems in ASEAN countries are obvious. Their mutual cooperation in the political field often translates into policy consultations rather than political integration. In other words, a political map of ASEAN member states looks more like an abstract painting than a well-crafted portrait. Using the countries Shinzo Abe visited as case studies, only Thailand's constitutional monarchy resembled Japan's government, but the Southeast Asian country's political culture is not compatible with Japan. Vietnam is a socialist state, and resists Japanese values, and Indonesia is a democracy with strong Islamic characteristics. Japan does not have a receptive market to export its values.

From a security perspective, both Japan and SE Asia need one another. Southeast Asia has become an increasingly important component in Japanese foreign policy. Japan feels tremendous pressure from China over the Diaoyu Islands despite conditional U.S. support, and Japan hopes to shift China's attention away from the south. Shinzo was very strategic in selecting these three countries: Vietnam hedges against a dominant China in the South China Sea; Thailand may be persuaded to take issue on the South China Sea against China; and Indonesia has no stake in the issue.

As a whole, ASEAN countries are cautiously optimistic towards Japan's assertive regional diplomacy. After all, as the second largest economy in East Asia, Japan has a history of successful Southeast Asian relations. Visits by Japanese high-ranking officials have facilitated a large number of investments and projects conducive to nation-building of ASEAN countries. However, ASEAN member states stress the importance of building an ASEAN Political Security Community and a negotiations platform for dealing with powers outside the region; but many are beginning to pursue strong bilateral relations outside the ASEAN framework. Most notably, ASEAN member states are beginning to place Japan alongside the U.S. as a viable partner in political, economic and security fields. At present, economic partnerships are the primary source of bilateral communication.

ASEAN countries recognize that Japan is coordinating closely with the recent U.S. pivot to Asia. The so-called U.S. strategy of rebalancing its interests to the Asia-Pacific region is reflected primarily in the security field, rather than in trade. The U.S. has been unable to focus more attention on bilateral economic development between SE Asia and the U.S. due to domestic economic constraints. This constraint will allow Japan to supplant the U.S. as an economic ally, but Tokyo would have little chance of besting Washington if the U.S. and Japan were to compete head-to-head.

In this regard, China should remain to be cautious. On one hand, China should be confident, as Japanese efforts to bolster relations with ASEAN countries will not be able to contain China. Beijing and ASEAN member states have a variety of mature communication channels. Chinese and ASEAN policies are consistent and clear on many issues. Japan's efforts to strengthen economic ties between ASEAN countries is contributing to regional cooperation in East Asia, and is something that China fully supports.

On the other hand, China should remain vigilant. In recent years, Japan has tried to contain investment and trade relations between China and Southeast Asian countries. In Myanmar and in other countries, Japan is sparing no effort to fray the relationship between China and ASEAN countries, and China should be ready to prevent the consequences of such actions.

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If China can't take back TW,it also means China can't strengthen its Naval forces to match with US in Pacific Ocean.

Can you read the map?

Taiwan is only 180km from us, heck we don't need to fight the US navy in the Pacific Ocean just for Taiwan.
 
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We have 1500 ballistic missiles point at them with the pinpoint accuracy, even our rocket artillery is more than 480km, which can easily cross the Straight of Taiwan.

The difference between PRC and ROC is just too much nowadays, it is not even a fair war.

PRC is a huge country with huge investment in its military technology, she now has nearly everything on her side, while ROC can only buy few limited weapons from USA with a ripoff price.

Just go to ask to the Taiwanese members here about the military difference between PRC and ROC.

Just wait until Taiwan is forced to join the US anti missiles defence. China may be capable to destroy Taiwan by missiles, but a successful invasion of Taiwan will be a huge challenge for the PLA.

Take the history of successful Invasion of Normandy (France) in 1944. How difficult it was for the allies to overcome the heavy German resistance despite air superiority and other strengths.
 
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Then why USA hasn't attacked Iran yet? And why she allows those Anti-American left-wing Latin countries like Cuba and Venezuela to remain until now?

The politics are sometimes too complicated to explain in words.

Nowadays the war is always the last option, you can only attack when someone really steps on your red line, otherwise attacking others without any sufficient reason will only make you look like the Nazi Germany.

But US has a strongest Naval forces in the world already whwn China desperately needs its own deep water zone for PLAN's drill.China can't take SCS(east sea) from VN coz we're control the largest and most important part now, TW is ur only choice to expand the deep water territory.

Can you read the map?

Taiwan is only 180km from us, heck we don't need to fight the US navy in the Pacific Ocean just for Taiwan.
PLAN can't fight effectively if it only have some poor training in shallow water near your mainland.
 
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Just wait until Taiwan is forced to join the US anti missiles defence. China may be capable to destroy Taiwan by missiles, but a successful invasion of Taiwan will be a huge challenge for the PLA.

Take the history of successful Invasion of Normandy (France) in 1944. How difficult it was for the allies to overcome the heavy German resistance despite air superiority and other strengths.

First, the US anti-missile is not reliable at all.

Second, if they sign this pact is war immediately.

UK fought fiercely with Argentina for the Falklands with the US support.

While China asked UK to hand HK back, they have no choice but to back down.

Even Ms. Thatcher was a such tough woman, while she felt in delight of humiliating Argentina, meanwhile felt utterly embarrassed of getting humiliated by China. :lol:

Margaret Thatcher Fall in Great Hall of the People,,,China - YouTube

Keep in mind this is only the China from the 1980s, which was not even 1/10 as powerful as today's China.

Do you truly believe that the modern PRC is someone you can mess with lightly? :coffee:
 
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What happen if they only need to hours to get the nod? Can PLA withstand US's air strike? And how to withstand against F-22,B-2 in heavy jamming condition?

Le post :toast_sign:
To counter the F-22 stealth fighter in a potential air war against the United States, China is developing third-generation early warning aircraft, according to our sister paper Want Daily.
Reports published by the Jamestown Foundation, a Washington-based thinktank, have noted that the phased array radar technology of the KJ-2000 and KJ-200 AWACS systems of the PLA Air Force is already one full generation ahead of the E-3C and E-2C early warning aircraft of the US. China is also currently one of the only four nations in the world to export its airborne early warning systems technology to foreign market after the United States, Sweden and Israel.
It was not until the KJ-2000 entered service with the PLA that China had the capability to coordinate its fighters, bombers and other aircraft in a potential air campaign against Taiwan, Japan and the United States. Interviewed by state broadcaster CCTV, Wang Xiaomo, the chief designer of KJ-2000 and the man considered the "father of China's radar systems," said Beijing is planning to develop advanced early warning aircraft with the capability to pick up American stealth fighters such as the F-22 and F-35.

Since early warning aircraft have played a crucial role in air warfare since the Gulf War, scientists in China like Wang realized how important it is for China to also develop the technology. Wang said the third-generation radar aircraft must have the capability to track multiple targets in the air.
 
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Vietnam is still a primitive country, it is the fact.

While China is a great role model for you to learn how to become militarily modernized. :coffee:
 
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Vietnam is still a primitive country, it is the fact.
While China is a great role model for you to learn how to become militarily modernized. :coffee:

You suffer some sorts of delusion. Without the encounter with Vietnam in the 1980s, today China army would still remain as a bunch of disorganised soldiers, stuck in Mao´s area warfare, poorly trained, poorly equipped.

You can say at least Thanks! to us. The current Chinese army Generals are highly respected because they were engaged in combats with Vietnam. Without these experiences China never dares to challenge Japan and America military today.
 
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Japan does not pose a threat to anyone and it is merely trying to enable itself to defend its borders and be able to come to the defense of other countries in the region who want it.

Japan wants peace and ASEAN wants peace. Who is the provocateur? Who always want to disturb peace? Who wants only bilateral talks which will lead to nowhere? Ahh they also want multilateral talks in the Senkaku debacle, but only to shout insults at Japan in UN and remind the world of sins long past. Well I don't get it, China had experienced the same problems since long before with the Westerners such as British, French, Russians, Mongols, Turkish, etc. even experienced the worst problems with Opium war, the infamous brutal "Cultural Revolution" that killed 70 million Chinese etc. The unification of China was achieved by the kind of mass slaughter that today would land you in a war crimes trial.

And now China's policy shifted from “Revolutionary” to “Expansionism”. It knows pretty well that its future survival rests mainly on acquiring resources mostly from outside its barren mainland. It’s so obvious that China wants to disturb peace, unity and development in Asia Pacific region…ASEAN in particular. They are envying ASEAN solidarity and undermining the group with their acts and pronouncements. Provocative is the least to describe their intention. They won’t follow international law agreement, Code of Conduct whatsoever; they are the problem now in this side of the world

If Hitler made Germany crazily arrogant, too much money made, China think the same. Their mindset is, this is the time to take revenge in all the humiliations they suffered at the hands of Japan and Western Powers and restore the prestige of their previous Han Dynasty. Well there is really an obese monster in our midst, it keeps on consuming everything, and steals all it sees. It will consume all until it dies from its own weight.
 
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There is No different to VN either US or China is the world leader, both of you hurt VN badly in the past, so of course for now, we will support the one who reward us more :pop:

We see No reward from you yet , Itu-aba still not under our control, so US still be our better partner coz she allows VN to enrich uranium, help VN to train pilot,help us to have a good relationship with her allies.

Oki, you're not stupid like USSR, but ur arm forces also not strong enough to war with U.S now. Ur spies is not smart enough to fool CIA like our perfect spies, ur special force can't sneak into U.S base and do some serious damage like our 'mud men'.

Until now, I think only Russia and VN arm forces can worry U.S forces in battle field. China arm forces has Nothing special to compete with U.S-Russia-VN:coffee:
Well, I will use "cooperation" instead "support", Vietnam try to hold neutral, not support a country against another, it's write in Vietnam foreign policy. The both need each other, so we go with that way.
They are just trying to annoy us, but they don't have the gut to militarily attack us.

All they can do is to destroy us from inside by using those pro-democrazy traitors to overthrow CPC.

The current US military is about information warfare, which is more than two generations ahead of the US military of 1970s.

The 1990s was beginning of the revolutionary upgrade of the US military, that's why they managed to destroy the Iraqi military with ease.

The Iraqi military has far more Mig-29 than Vietnam's Su-27, and far more T-72 main battle tanks, yet they can't even make a scratch to the US military.
US and PRC will hold still last line for a war, because it maybe lead to the end of Human kind this Planet.
Soon it will be the 75 anniversary of the Japanese invasion of China. If Japan do not apologize after 75 years they will never apologize.. ever. In another 25 short years it will be the 100 anniversary. By then the rise of China should be complete.
Wonder how the relationship would be like by then.
Japan did it many year ago, already! If China's rise ending, maybe that time become stabilization period, and nothing like a war will break out at that time, relationship will be better.
lol, we have discovered many land oil fields, but we won't use it right now.

Just like USA, we keep importing the foreign oil, but reserve and untouch our own oil field.

China is a 10 million km^2 giant continental country, even we have 1.35 billion population, yet we still have endless natural resources.

But our economy is based on the manufacturing sector, not the primary sector of selling the natural resources.

USA also has endless of natural resources in their own land, but have you seen they are selling own natural resources to others? :coffee:

BTW, USA is now stronger than us in the Global scale, but in Asia-Pacific realm they are no match for us, our ASBM troops alone could keep their navy 3000km away from our coastal cities.

The combat radius of their aircrafts is barely 1000km, so they have no chance to scratch our mainland. :whistle:
It should be obvious for holding up natural resource.
Even at now, Beijing already fill with dust, if you exploitation too fast, it will be disaster.
Before 1975, many North Vnese had relatives in South VN too, and it would never have a so called "peaceful unification", so, no need to lie to us. Just bcz you're too weak to attack TW coz US will support TW to defeat you, that's the main reason why China dare not attack TW untill now

Truth is hurt, but you will grow up when knowing how to admit the Truth

If you keep twisting the Truth like Mr. Ah Q to gain "spiritual victory", then you will end up miserablely like him :pop:
It's different with our case, bro. People of South Vietnam also support CPV government and Republic of Vietnam failed to control country with many fail policy and actions. ROC not like that now, many people still want hold separation from mainland.

I believe "peaceful unification" could happen if China reach the level of US or better. It's not meaning of military, but is development in many sections, if China being strong and stabilization, so it should be peaceful and respected by others and people of Taiwan will want "peaceful unification". Then US had no reason for intervention as well as not have capable.
We have 1500 ballistic missiles point at them with the pinpoint accuracy, even our rocket artillery is more than 480km, which can easily cross the Straight of Taiwan.

The difference between PRC and ROC is just too much nowadays, it is not even a fair war.

PRC is a huge country with huge investment in its military technology, she now has nearly everything on her side, while ROC can only buy few limited weapons from USA with a ripoff price.

Just go to ask to the Taiwanese members here about the military difference between PRC and ROC.
With those kind attack, China just destroy Taiwan and will gain nothing but respond of the World.
Vietnam is still a primitive country, it is the fact.

While China is a great role model for you to learn how to become militarily modernized. :coffee:
We not match with you for militarily modernized but we had our ways and know how to deal with case.
Of course we learn from anyone has good things. :rolleyes:
 
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