Arrested former MNA was carrying Baitullah's letter for ex-ISI General

[niaz]

How can we point fingers at Hamid Gul without anything to back our claim. Seriously we should learn some restraint before accusing any one that shares a different opinion.

Don’t think Hamid Gul is a traitor, but he hates US to the core because he thinks that BB fired him because of US pressure (even though Maj.Gen. Nasirullah Babar declared on TV that Hamid Gul was fired for incompetence). Hamid Gul portrays all actions as a conspiracy by the US/Zionist lobby to destroy Pakistan. Since TTP as well as Afghan Taliban are fighting US, he has voiced support for these forces on Capital Talk as well as Mery Mutabiq. Only other person who openly supports TTP and Sufi Mohammed is Syed Munward Hassan of JI. Imran Khan and Kh Saad Rafiq on the other hand are against the war in Swat ad FATA but they did not voice their support TTP.

Therefore it doesn’t take rocket science to figure out that Baitullah Mahsood has written to him. Hamid Gul is the only person naive enough to act as TTP unwitting spokesman when invited to comment on the electronic media; which is quite often as both Hamid Mir as well as Dr Shahid Masood are covert Taliban sympathizers.

 

[pakomar]

Yea Hamid Gul is a true patriotic Pakistani. Almost every time Hamid Gul talks with the media he shows his anger over US polices on Pakistan. Hamid Gul always talks about what in Pakistan best interest.

 

[Slides]

Since when does hating the US equal to being pro Pakistan?

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Since when does hating the US equal to being pro Pakistan?

fair point - Its one thing to disagree with certain US foreign policies but blindly slamming the US for anything and everything is simply dumb and self-defeating. Just because the US used the pakistani establishment and dumped it after the first Afghan war does'nt mean the relationship can't be renewed and qualitatively improved upon. Hilary Clinton recently admitted that the US was at fault, and made a grave mistake by abandoning us in the 1990s and subsequently relying on a transactional relationship with a dictator - perceptions and attitudes have evolved.

Importantly, its a new chapter in this relationship that requires a fresh approach without carrying the anti-US emotional baggage of the 1990s and the Musharraf era. The ground realities have changed and we must be smart enough to adapt and benefit.

Not to mention its a little hypocritical of us to beg for and expect the US to provide $7.5B in economic aid over the next five years in addition to helping IDPs on one hand, and lambast it on the other.

 

[pakomar]

Since when does hating the US equal to being pro Pakistan?

Hamid Gul also shows his anger over India interfering in FATA and baluchistan. And about TTP Hamid gul think that they are funded by raw and CIA.

 

[pakomar]

ROFL...
i dun understand why we always blame the US..... and Hamid Gul was a person who supported these hairy Hooligans. he may talk ill about RAW and CIA on the tv but i believe he's one of them...!
we should accept now making f taliban was a big Blunder...!

What make you say that

 

[batmannow]

sorry to post, this !
peopl like hamid gul, were just not ANTI-USA in simple, but there is a lot on the stake for them, these peoples got un/recorded, sums of the money, from the drug trade, which was used in "AFGHAN jihad".
this drug trade gave talibans, the money to buy weapons, & plan the covert SS bombers & war of terror?

till now, these peoples not only supporting the "TALIBANS" in media, also they are involved in giving details & planing for talibans, that is the way how these peoples keep getting green bags .

there are a lot of , incidents when PAKARMY been targeted , accuracy was 100%, if some 1 look at this RAG-TAG taliban force , he will realize tht, this kind of targeting of PAKARMY, with pin point accuracy is, the creation of the militry mind set?
TALIBANs ran away from afghanistan , when "ALLIED FORCES" CAME in afghanistan then they regroup mystrly, & starting fight back, all this cant be happen simply , from the "MULLAH/MINDED" leadership of TALIBANS ,rather its the creation of a experinced militry mind, which knows every single detail & knows how to fight a covert war.

there is one point , o0n which "MULLAH minnded " leadership & our retire genrls agreed upon !
everything is fair in love , & in war!
it begains with , drug trade which is the life line , of "TALIBAN malatia" & it keep growing higher & higher, as the time passing away?

 

[TalibanSwatter]

sorry to post, this !
peopl like hamid gul, were just not ANTI-USA in simple, but there is a lot on the stake for them, these peoples got un/recorded, sums of the money, from the drug trade, which was used in "AFGHAN jihad".
this drug trade gave talibans, the money to buy weapons, & plan the covert SS bombers & war of terror?

till now, these peoples not only supporting the "TALIBANS" in media, also they are involved in giving details & planing for talibans, that is the way how these peoples keep getting green bags .

there are a lot of , incidents when PAKARMY been targeted , accuracy was 100%, if some 1 look at this RAG-TAG taliban force , he will realize tht, this kind of targeting of PAKARMY, with pin point accuracy is, the creation of the militry mind set?
TALIBANs ran away from afghanistan , when "ALLIED FORCES" CAME in afghanistan then they regroup mystrly, & starting fight back, all this cant be happen simply , from the "MULLAH/MINDED" leadership of TALIBANS ,rather its the creation of a experinced militry mind, which knows every single detail & knows how to fight a covert war.

there is one point , o0n which "MULLAH minnded " leadership & our retire genrls agreed upon !
everything is fair in love , & in war!
it begains with , drug trade which is the life line , of "TALIBAN malatia" & it keep growing higher & higher, as the time passing away?

good analysis - i agree with your assessment. Pro-Taliban retired army officers like Hamid Gul do not want to lose the benefits of the lucrative Proxy Jihad Inc. they helped create as part of the Gen Zia establishment. What makes HG especially dangerous is his knowledge of military operations and battlefield tactics.

The question is: How many Hamid Guls still remain in the military today?

 

[Coolyo]

From this video it is apparent that Hamid Gul SUPPORTS Pakistan's military operation against the Taliban! So please do NOT spread propaganda! Be sure that you have PROOF before accusing an individual!

 

[TalibanSwatter]

From this video it is apparent that Hamid Gul SUPPORTS Pakistan's military operation against the Taliban! So please do NOT spread propaganda! Be sure that you have PROOF before accusing an individual!

Did you even watch the video? Some of HG's comments from the interview:

- We have made America's war our own - Is fighting taliban terrorists who are butchering innocent civlians and policeman alike, bombing our cities, and brutalizing our women not our fight?

- We need to decide between secular and islamic order and must implement an 'islamic' order; That sounds awfully like the taliban stance! What 'islamic' order is he referring to?

- He refers to the TTP terrorists as our own kids and how they need to be given proper guidance - maybe we should put them in a rehab program with free cable tv!

- He goes off on his usual anti-US rant and how TTP is being used by India - but he does'nt explain why anti-US parties like the JI support the TTP and their cronies such as the TNSM and terrorist cleric network from Lal Masjid, and oppose the military operation in Swat and SW. Is the JI working as Indian agents?

- He also talks about reaching a political solution with the extremists after the army action ends; The taliban thugs renounce democracy and the constitution, call the pakistani army 'munafiqs', murder innocents and blow up girl's schools with religious zeal. Do we really want to give these thugs political legitimacy?? Besides the General believes in his own words that the TTP is serving the anti-state Indian agenda. Why would we ever consider a political settlement with such a anti-state group?

Fortunately, as revealed in the latest poll cited, 95% of pakistanis see the TTP as a important or critical threat and want these terrorists sorted out once and for all.

Thanks for posting the video - it has reinforced my concerns about the general.

 

[SummerWine]

Former MNA apprehended in Polish engineer murder case

ISLAMABAD ( 2009-07-25 19:33:16 ) :Islamabad police on Saturday apprehended former member of national assembly Shah Abdul Aziz who is allegedly involved in Polish engineer murder case.

Police have got three-day remand of the accused from Court for further investigation.

As per details, police arrested the former MNA after an accused Attaullah, arrested in the same case, confessed in the court that he abducted and killed Polish engineer Peter Stanczak on the directives of MNA Maulana Shah Abdul Aziz.

Attaullah was arrested by Federal Police a few days back. Police had also recovered a hand grenade, a tape recorder and explosive material from his possession.

He confessed of crime before the judicial Magistrate, saying that he along with Commander Taqriq, Mufti Ilyas, Hussain and Bilal abducted the Polish engineer on the directives of Shah Abdul Aziz, and later killed him when their demands were not met.

He also confessed of killing more than 50 people including security personnel, adding that he had also been involved in more than 15 suicide blasts particularly, in Kohat, D I Khan, Peshawar and other cities.
AAJ TV : Pakistan Ki Awaz

 

[SummerWine]

...........how could this be like this...........i hope its not true.....and if it aint, imagine what secrets Lal masjid cleric would have

 

[Ratus Ratus]

Has it occurred to any of you that fundamentally this thread has accused and found guilty Gen Hamid Gul and not one of those people have a real bit of evidence on this matter.
Basically it amounts to slander.

I am not saying he is guilty or innocent, I, like all here do not know the facts.

 

[muse]

Editorial: Phenomenon of Shah Abdul Aziz


Shah Abdul Aziz, a former MNA, has been picked up by the Attock police for involvement in the kidnapping and killing of a Polish engineer whose savage video the Taliban had issued to the entire world. He belongs to the Karak district of the NWFP and became prominent when he appeared as a kind of mediator during the Lal Masjid crisis in Islamabad in 2007, together with the leader of banned Harkatul Mujahideen Fazlur Rehman Khaleel and the so-called “Al Qaeda lawyer” Javed Ibrahim Paracha from Kohat.

The report says Shah Abdul Aziz had gone missing since last May after meeting with the former khateeb of Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz. The Anti-Terrorism Court-II in Islamabad has given him in remand after a kidnapper of the Polish engineer confessed that he was involved in the case. The ransom demanded was Rs 50 million. The kidnappers were actually arrested for attacking a lawyers’ convention in 2007 but they revealed additional information. The kidnappers and killers of the Polish engineer have also owned up attacks on the Pakistan Army, on the Kohat GOC’s residence in 2004, on a mosque at ex-58 ECE Battalion in Kohat in 2005, and on the main gate of 2 Training Battalion ex-signal training centre in Kohat in 2007.

A leading TV channel (October 28, 2004) has a record of a conversation with Shah Abdul Aziz when one of its anchors got him to accept that he had nursed the kidnapper of the Chinese engineers in South Waziristan, Abdullah Mehsud, at Darul Ulum in Korangi in Karachi after the man was wounded at Jablus Saraj. But he insisted he “was not happy about Mehsud’s kidnapping of the Chinese”. The anchor said that Al Qaeda mastermind Amjad Farooqi went to Karak and hid there and that Karak was the constituency of MMA politician, Shah Abdul Aziz. Aziz denied that Farooqi was ever there.

The crisis of Pakistan stems from its “non-state actors”. Lal Masjid has been a watering hole for them. And it is very difficult now to clean up the mess produced by past decisions. *

 

[Thomas]

The allegations against Gen. Nadeem Taj are speculative and unsubstantiated.

He was one of Musharraf's closest aides, and I find it unlikely that he would end up supporting policies counter to those Musharraf was pushing.

The others were involved in various capacities in the Afghan Jihad, Taliban regime in Afghanistan etc.

Might depend on how much money was involved.