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1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.

Not much different . Is it? And contrary to your view high treason was not added later but was there before.

Nothing was really ammended. Only language was made stronger by adding the words "suspend or hold in abeyance". But that was only to cover some semantics play and shoddy excuses by past dictators (Oh, I didn't abrogate, I merely suspended!!). Not much point in doint it in my opinion actually but it became a point over the years for no reason. IMO, doesn't matter much as the excuses were shoddy to begin with. Article 6 fully applied even with original language. Intent and purpose and punishment was exactly the same before as now. Therefore it totally applies to musharraf and verdict is correct. Courts are houses of justice (insaaf ka ghar). Shoddy excuses and ridiculous semantic play have no place there. You take an action , you face the consequences. Plain and simple.
Hence proven that nothing unconstitutional about it.

The fact is that waters are muddied by previous courts and their corrupt judges who gave wrong judgements and validated everything done by dictators. Those were unconstitutional. But if judges were corrupt (or cowards) it's the Generals (and politicians later) who actually corrupted those judges or pressurized them.

Sir we think alike
I will never forgive him for what he didn't do while he could.
now he is a rag doll
A very popular view but assumes facts not in evidence.
 
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1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.

Not much different . Is it? And contrary to your view high treason was not added later but was there before.

Nothing was really ammended. Only language was made stronger by adding the words "suspend or hold in abeyance". But that was only to cover some semantics play and shoddy excuses by past dictators (Oh, I didn't abrogate, I merely suspended!!). Not much point in doint it in my opinion actually but it became a point over the years for no reason. IMO, doesn't matter much as the excuses were shoddy to begin with. Article 6 fully applied even with original language. Intent and purpose and punishment was exactly the same before as now. Therefore it totally applies to musharraf and verdict is correct. Courts are houses of justice (insaaf ka ghar). Shoddy excuses and ridiculous semantic play have no place there. You take an action , you face the consequences. Plain and simple.
Hence proven that nothing unconstitutional about it.

The fact is that waters are muddied by previous courts and their corrupt judges who gave wrong judgements and validated everything done by dictators. Those were unconstitutional. But if judges were corrupt (or cowards) it's the Generals (and politicians later) who actually corrupted those judges or pressurized them.


A very popular view but assumes facts not in evidence.

You are right the judges have awarded justice to musharraf exactly according to the current constitution both before as well as after 1999 version. The only way for people who want to save musharraf is to "abolish" the 1973 constitution and rewrite a brand new constitution like 1954, 1962 or 1973 constitutions. And I don't believe any constitution is "sacred", this "sacred" BS is just british invention and legacy. If people have problem with current 1973 constitution then they have the right to abolish it and create a brand new constitution in 2020 and name it Pakistan constitution 2020 just like 1973 constitution abolished the earlier 1962 constitution.
 
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Sir we think alike
I will never forgive him for what he didn't do while he could.
now he is a rag doll

Isn’t that a shame that a war hero and one who pushed pakistan to the top is in this position.

Never make deals with politicians who you sentenced to death at one time.

Now look at the message Nawaz Sharif is giving to Imran Khan.

If IK is overthrown he will be dealt the same fate.
 
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Attorney-general says Musharraf treason case 'void', questions 'rush' to pronounce verdict in absentia
December 17, 2019


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Attorney-General Anwar Mansoor Khan addresses a press conference following a special court verdict against former military ruler Pervez Musharraf, in Islamabad on Tuesday. — AFP
Attorney-General for Pakistan Anwar Mansoor Khan on Tuesday said the high treason case against former president retired Gen Pervez Musharraf had been "void from the beginning" and questioned "what the rush was" in pronouncing the judgment — the death penalty — which was given in absentia.

AG Khan's remarks came during a press conference held in Islamabad late Tuesday night alongside the government's chief spokesperson Firdous Ashiq Awan.

A special court had earlier in the day sentenced to death the former military ruler who has been in self-imposed exile since 2016.

"A trial in absentia is not a routine matter," he said. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ "[Musharraf] was not given a chance to record his statement under Section 342 (of the Constitution) or to produce his witnesses.

"Every person is guaranteed a fair trial under Article 10-A of the Constitution," said the attorney-general, adding: "A trial should not just be fair but must also be seen to be fair."

He said this (PTI-led) government has the viewpoint where it believes every person, no matter their misdeeds, must be provided justice.

"The government will stand up against injustice when it sees an accused is not provided justice. Injustice is a curse for the country.

"This is what constitutional deviation is. When judgments are given against the Constitution.

"What else can we call such a judgment where a mandatory requirement, a person's fundamental right under Article 10-A, is deviated from?" said AG Khan.

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Attorney-General Anwar Mansoor Khan (R) speaks during a press conference along with Special Assistant to the Prime Minister for Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan following a special court verdict against former military ruler Pervez Musharraf, in Islamabad on Tuesday. — AFP


Further criticising the verdict, the attorney-general said that the courts had operated "outside the scope of the law".

"If the courts are independent and free, this does not mean that they decide a verdict outside the scope of the law. It does not mean they do not give a person their fundamental right. And most importantly, if a person is not allowed to produce evidence, there can be no more injustice committed against the person than what we have witnessed in this case."

When reminded that PM Imran had said that Musharraf be hanged under Article 6 of the Constitution, Awan said that the prime minister had always fought for the rule of law and "justice for all".

"Our sole concern is that justice must be provided [...] where justice is not provided in its true spirit, to extend reservations and to fight for the rule of law is the manifesto of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf — and we will continue to uphold it," she said.

AG Khan said that a violation of the Constitution does merit punishment "and there is no ambiguity in the matter". He, however, highlighted that a person cannot be sentenced when he is not accorded his right of audience, right of producing evidence and right to a fair trial.

"A trial is a crucial aspect of any case. Maybe evidence to the contrary would have emerged," he added.

'Legal aspects'
Before commenting on the matter, the attorney-general had warned the media that it must be considered that he is not speaking in favour of a particular individual or supporting anyone. "I am only going to speak of the legal aspects of the case."

AG Khan recalled that Musharraf was in Pakistan when the charges against him were announced and had filed some petitions requesting that others involved in the decision to impose an emergency also be made a party to the case.

AG Khan said that following the 18th Amendment, in which Article 90 was modified, the president was no longer given the authority by the federal government to file a complaint.

"Because he could not file a complaint, the action taken against Musharraf was void from the beginning and could not have been carried out lawfully."

"Musharraf is bed-ridden and is in the ICU at a hospital. So this is another major issue: when you know a person is hospitalised, in his absence was it right to announce this judgment or not?" he said, as he continued to explore the legality of the verdict.

Court rejections
He said that the government wished to change its team at one point in the case, so that "mistakes made by the past governments" could be rectified. "[The previous] team was not ready to make those changes."

He said when the team was swapped out, the court reacted very strongly and issued immediate directives to get the case moving, "irrespective of the situation".

AG Khan said that the last team had filed "written arguments after its removal" and the court based their decision on those arguments.

"When the case was fixed, the additional attorney-general was sent by me to argue the case, but the court sat him down saying, 'You have not been appointed by the federal government' whereas an additional attorney-general is an appointed officer under the law.

"Despite that, the court refused to listen to him and said a new team of senior lawyers must be formed," said AG Khan.

He said the new team had requested the court for some time to study the case as they had just been appointed but "the court refused and told them to argue or the verdict will be announced".

Expanding on what constitutes a fair trial, AG Khan said that the court was requested to allow the video statement of the accused to be recorded. "The court said you must bring him to Pakistan or else we will not record a statement."

The attorney-general said entire hearings had been held via video link and that many people had recorded their statements from abroad in various cases in the past.

"When it came to [Musharraf] and when the court was told he was unable to travel, the court refused the request," he said, adding that a request for a commission to be formed to go take his statement was also rejected by the court.

"When the lawyers wished to record evidence, that too was refused. When Chaudhry Shujaat expressed willingness to be made a party to the case, that, again, was refused."

AG Khan said various applications were also submitted requesting that various generals and bureaucrats be made a party to the case, but they, too, were rejected by the court.

"Whenever a conspiracy is hatched, it is an action undertaken by multiple people. And if this was a conspiracy, it could only be proved in the presence of the others.

"If they were not present this means it was a directed, personal attack or action against one person."
 
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Pervez Mush Has zero stake in power corridors of Pak this judgment is nothing but a political statement and khosa (khota) try to create another crisis for PTI Govt along Bajwa extension non issue.
 
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CJP Khosa: The judge who fast-tracked treason case

December 17, 2019
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2119676/1-cjp-khosa-played-key-role-concluding-treason-case-musharraf/
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ISLAMABAD: Outgoing Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Asif Saeed Khosa is said to have played a key role in making sure the six-year-old treason trial against former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf is concluded before he retires.

Justice Khosa – who is stepping down on Dec 20 – has handed down several key verdicts against political and judicial functionaries during his tenure, inviting the ire of many but projecting the apex court as a strong institution.

The Musharraf treason case – which was initiated in Nov 2013 by the government of his old foe Nawaz Sharif – had hit frequent delays as special court judges either recused themselves, or retired, or were elevated. “Had it not been for the chief justice, the case might never been decided,” a senior official told The Express Tribune.

According to him, Justice Khosa brought the case back to life. It has been learnt that he was not happy with “undue interference of the high courts” to halt the special court proceedings during the last three weeks.

The Islamabad High Court (IHC), on a petition of the interior ministry, had stopped the special court from announcing its verdict on Nov 28, while directing the government to form a new prosecution team to pursue the case. The Lahore High Court (LHC) is also hearing Musharraf’s petitions against the special court.

On Nov 20, the chief justice had hinted that the case verdict would be announced soon. While addressing a ceremony at the Supreme Court, he said the post-2009 judiciary had convicted one prime minster [Yousuf Raza Gilani], disqualified another [Nawaz Sharif], and was soon going to decide the high treason case against a former army chief [Pervez Musharraf].

Justice Khosa headed the larger bench that had heard the Panama Leaks case in 2017, becoming the first judge to disqualify then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif under Article 62 (1)(f) of the Constitution.

Similarly, he was part of a seven-judge larger bench which had disqualified then-prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani in the National Reconciliation Order (NRO) case in 2010. He had also written an additional note in the verdict.

Likewise, Justice Khosa had also upheld the death sentence awarded to Mumtaz Qadri, the self-confessed murderer of then-governor Punjab Salman Taseer. He was also part of a special bench which had acquitted Christian woman Aasia Bibi in the blasphemy case.

Of late, a Supreme Court bench – headed by Justice Khosa – gave the government six months to fix the service terms of an army chief through an act of parliament.

On Nov 21, 2014, the three-judge special court – then led by Justice Faisal Arab, – had directed the government to include the names of Shaukat Aziz, Abdul Hameed Dogar, and Zahid Hamid – then PM, CJP and law minister, respectively, as co-accused in the Musharraf treason case. The proceedings were suspended for a couple of years because of the order.

In Feb 2016, the Supreme Court, led by CJP Khosa, had set aside the special court order by directing that the trial against Musharraf be concluded. The court had ruled that only Musharraf should be tried over treason charges for subverting the Constitution in 2007.

In the 11-page order, authored by CJP Khosa, the apex court had observed that a fresh investigation into high treason by associating any person lies within the prerogative of the government and not the special court or the IHC. It had also reproduced all the observations and declarations made by the SC and the Sindh High Court, holding Musharraf solely responsible for the Nov 3, 2007 actions.

The judgment reads that the observations and declarations have already attained finality and they are in public domain. In the meantime, Musharraf had gone abroad for medical treatment.

Soon after taking charge as CJP, Justice Khosa had taken up the matter regarding the delay in Musharraf’s trial.

On March 25, he had referred to the punishment given to English dictator Oliver Cromwell – the Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland – whose skeleton had been hanged after his death, observing that an accused was deliberately not appearing before the trial court and questioning if the court was helpless.

In April, a three-member apex court bench, led by the CJP himself, had directed the special court to proceed under the law by concluding the matter. It had held that, if the accused failed to turn up, he would lose his right to an audience. Following the SC’s decision, the special court resumed hearing.

After the retirement of Justice Tahira Safdar, a special court member, CJP Khosa had nominated Peshawar High Court (PHC) Chief Justice Waqar Ahmad Seth to preside over the special court. He had ensured issuance of notification of Justice Seth’s appointment within two days.

A senior official told that when the notification regarding Justice Seth’s appointment was issued, the powers that be got upset and the government removed the acting law secretary.

Justice Seth had set aside trials of military courts’ convicts, and his judgment had also rescued Pakistan before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the case of Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav. Recently, Justice Seth had declared unconstitutional the functioning of scores of internment centres in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.
 
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Onyl musharaf? What about kiyani and Raheel shareef? Weren't they in cohorts with the outsiders to keep zardari and navaz functioning?
Raheel Shareef is not part of it i would say but others are Part of Traitor company.
 
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selective judgement is not acceptable .... case should be started from 99 ...not 2007.

1999 coup was provided legal cover by the parliament and judiciary.

2007 action was neither provided legal cover by the parliament nor judiciary.

Drums of war b/w army and judiciary?

Army is loosing its ground fast.

It was army who brought judiciary into this game. Now judiciary believes they are even more powerful then the army.

Musharaf bhi bahar he hay.

Remember while going to court for hearing protected by rangers instead of appearing in court he ended in AFIC Rawalpindi.
 
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1999 coup was provided legal cover by the parliament and judiciary.
so they were the aider and abetter in the abrogation of Constitution in 1999 coup ....??

this one argument of yours is actually proving the the argument of Selective Justice under the influence of political interest of certain quarters.
 
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i think in Pakistan removing govt and p.m is not abrogation of constitution but removing judiciary is considered as treason and breaking of constitution
so they were the aider and abetter in the abrogation of Constitution in 1999 coup ....??

this one argument of yours is actually proving the the argument of Selective Justice under the influence of political interest of certain quarters.
 
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so they were the aider and abetter in the abrogation of Constitution in 1999 coup ....??

this one argument of yours is actually proving the the argument of Selective Justice under the influence of political interest of certain quarters.

This is one way of looking at it. However system needs to keep functioning and to do that you ultimately need legal cover. Remember 2002 parliament was powerless against Musharaf since all powers rested with President. Even then he needed legal cover for 1999 coup and the same was provided by the then parliament.

Even in 2007 all the powers rested with President. That is why ultimate responsibility was fixed on Musharaf.

One also needs to understand that all those who are defending him today gave written statements to FIA shifting the blame on Musharaf.

i think in Pakistan removing govt and p.m is not abrogation of constitution but removing judiciary is considered as treason and breaking of constitution and in 1990s elected assembly was dissolved by supreme court which was similar to 1999 military coup

There is a very clear procedure outlined in constitution for appointing and removing PM. Then the judiciary found article 62 and used same to remove PM from office.

There is a very small number of legal fraternity who are opposed to this.

I do not remember supreme court dissolving parliament. Can you please refresh my memory.
 
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This is one way of looking at it. However system needs to keep functioning and to do that you ultimately need legal cover. Remember 2002 parliament was powerless against Musharaf since all powers rested with President. Even then he needed legal cover for 1999 coup and the same was provided by the then parliament.

Even in 2007 all the powers rested with President. That is why ultimate responsibility was fixed on Musharaf.

One also needs to understand that all those who are defending him today gave written statements to FIA shifting the blame on Musharaf.
Mere bhai
- If the system need to remain functional then its nothing but DOCTRINE OF NECESSITY which as per Supreme Court Decision could not be invoked ...

- Plus IF you remember 18th amendment has nullify/abrogate the constitutional cover which Legal Framework Order-LFO by Pervaiz Mushraf had before the 18th amendment so 1999 coup as well as the Presidential Pardon to NS in Hijacking case is unconstitutional

- and IF we can Implement Law and Clauses of Constitutions at Events and Action of Past than it must be implemented in ITS TRUE LETTER AND SPIRIT on all the Actions and Events of the past and to the Participants of that Action and Event, IMPLEMENTATION OF LAW SHOULD NOT BE SELECTIVE MANNER

- IF Rule is that there must not be any Holy Cow then there must be practically implementation of it across the board Why the Judiciary, Parliament, Bureaucracy should be left in this case they all were part of that act of HIGH TREASON both the time ...???

Selective Justice is NOT JUSTICE

i think in Pakistan removing govt and p.m is not abrogation of constitution but removing judiciary is considered as treason and breaking of constitution
bhai tu rahen dey ....
 
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Yeah yeah well just for the record, our founding father's sister got called a traitor by none other than a "field Marshall"
They were political opponent. Judiciary cant have political motives.

YOu are talking about his sister, our father was called Kafir and traitor by JUI and most of the religious leader of that time. You cant equate political statements with legal judgement.
 
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