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Jana, I know how old these pictures are as i myself listed the dates below them and one does not need to waste his time in searching... if some one in your family is a Journalist.

Most us of know that those donations could be forced on them...at the same time some are part of Volunteer donations by those who believe in Jihad.


Probably all you did was that you looked on the pictures in my post and not on the question that i asked at the bottom of post.

These pictures are old but the militant donation camps are not, and thats what my question is all about.


Well i did undertsand what will you propogate even without looking the pictures as all these have been sent by our correspondent.
If you know the date of these pictures and the donation camps you must also need to undertsand that now there are left only few poor people in the area and they have nothing to donate at the moment so no matter how if the donation camps are not old ideas.
As currently all those areas where the militants are fighting have virtually no popultion left despite the fact that day before yesterday they warned the local Population not to migarte as these militants wanted to use them as human shields but despite that 5 lakh people moved from the area.
So there are no more donations
and i already replied you the one made two months back were also at gun point from the militants so your comment of locals supporting the militants is exegerated rather farce .
 
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That was and still is the core question of my post. especially when everyone claims and justifies their version of Jihad as the Valid one.

This should not be a question at all as what everyone is claiming or justfiying as Jihad can not be called Jihad.


let me repeat my earlier post here

Well dear there are some pre-conditions for waging a Jihad and against whom this is also something which is clearly defined.

According to one of these conditions stated in Quran only a State can wage a Jihad against those (oppresors) who attacked the State.
Only the ruler of that State can announce the Jihad and no individual can do so.
at the moment i do not remember the exact Aya and the Surah of Quran but i will post these tommorrow with the the exact chapter and verse number of that chapter of Quran wherein rules and regulations are stated for Jihad.

So for the moment no one is justified to term the terror activities against Pakistan and its Army or even foreign country that has not directly attacked them, as Jihad.
 
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Heavy militant casualties in Swat
Monday, November 19, 2007

ISLAMABAD: Around 120 rebels have been killed in the last few days as artillery and gunship helicopters continued pounding the bases of militants loyal to rebel Swat cleric Maulana Fazlullah, the military said.

Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP on Sunday that militant casualties were heavy, adding that five soldiers have been killed in the clashes.

Meanwhile, security officials said five militants were killed and 13 wounded in shelling of a rebel position in the Alipuri area. Troops have also picked up five suspected militants who are being interrogated, they added. Shelling also killed four civilians, while injuring dozens more and destroying several houses. Meanwhile, a peace jirga began talks on resolving the Swat crisis peacefully. staff report/afp


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3 Swat villages’ residents asked to leave
Tuesday, November 20, 2007

MINGORA: Three villages in Swat have started migrations following announcements by the army asking them to evacuate.

Military asked people of Akhund, Dagai and Kabal Khas to evacuate, raising fears that the army was launching operation there.

In Shangla, residents said troops fired mortars on the Manrai Sar area, where rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullah’s loyalists have taken up positions. Meanwhile, around 18 people, including 12 militants, were killed by shelling.

The military also announced that at least 40 militants were injured when forces targeted two militant compounds in Kot Nawakally, reported AFP. Sources said forces have arrested four persons for spying for militants. staff report


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Well Sam Dhanraj

ofcourse some population does support the taleban, otherwise they would not proceed, however it does not mean majority support them ( which probably is the case in Southern NWFP).

I think many people do find it very disgusting when they are being checked by taleban in their own area.

Well army action is in place, however until now from the end boundaries of Said Sharif Airport till Matta, area is still controlled by the taliban. Let's see how it progresses.
 
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Pakistan's Taliban at the Gates​


Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2007 By ARYN BAKER/PESHAWAR

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The local police precinct in the village of Matta has a new sign: Taliban Station. The same thing in the village of Kabal — in fact, nine of the twelve districts in the picturesque Swat Valley, 100 miles from Pakistan's capital, have been taken over by militants, who have torched music shops, barred girls from going to school, forced women to wear burqas and decreed that men must grow beards. As if to complete the flashback to Taliban-era Afghanistan, the new overlords have even attempted to blow up centuries-old Buddhist monuments.

But this is not Afghanistan, of course, or even the tribal lands of the frontier provinces. The Swat valley is Pakistan's premier tourist destination, home to its only ski slope and a haven for trout fishing. But it has become increasingly embattled in the face of an anti-government campaign, over the past five months, by the charismatic radio preacher Maulana Fazlullah, known as the FM mullah, who has spawned a wave of fundamentalist militancy that has swept from the Afghan frontier through the lawless tribal areas of Waziristan and into the settled areas far from the border. The government of President General Pervez Musharraf seems unable to do anything about it.

When Musharraf declared emergency rule three weeks ago, he cited the mounting insurgency in Swat as justification. But so far, the only threats he has been able to curb are those of a free press and an independent judiciary. "It's not that the military is unwilling," says a Western military official based in Islamabad, "but is it capable?" Security analysts fear that Pakistan's security forces lack the training, equipment and expertise to tackle the burgeoning domestic extremist insurgency. The West's most important ally in the war on terror is faltering, distracted by the political crisis in the capital and taking heavy losses that sap the morale in its ranks.

This week the military launched an operation to reclaim control of Swat, sending in 15,000 troops, helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles to battle a ragtag army of some 500 militants. The goal is to push them back into their mountain redoubts, far from the civilian population. "We will bottle up as many of them as possible, and then eliminate them," says General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, Director General of Military operations. The army says that hundreds of militants have already been killed. That's a number militant spokesman Sirajuddin, who only has one name, dismisses as "totally rubbish. Only ten of our jihadis have been killed." If past performance in Waziristan, where last month 250 soldiers surrendered to a few dozen militants, is any precedent, numbers alone are not going to win Pakistan's war. In Swat, according to the military, entire villages have been taken over by bands of militants made up, in some cases, of only nine fighters.

The problem, says the Western military official, is that the Pakistani soldiers are undertrained and outgunned. He puts himself in the soldiers' boots: "I'm making $20 a month, I've got five bullets in my gun, and a couple of guys with AKs come up. I mean the question is, do I want to die? Oh, and by the way — they know all my family."

The Pakistani military, which came of age fighting archrival India on more conventional battlegrounds, is little prepared to face a classic guerrilla insurgency. While some of Swat's militants are foreign, the majority are home-grown, nourished on local antipathy to a government that doesn't represent their wishes, and allowed to fester by political parties loath to alienate the religious vote by cracking down on demands for Sharia. "The people want the militancy to stop," says Adnan Aurangzeb, a former member of Parliament from Swat, and the grandson of the valley's last princely ruler. "The militants have stopped tourism and disrupted their lives, but the government doesn't have the people's sympathy either." A military crackdown, and the inevitable civilian casualties, will only estrange the people further. "This is the kind of counterinsurgency training that the military lacks," says the military official. "There has got to be a strong information campaign to go along with the kinetics [military force]. Fazlullah has a FM station? Jam the damn thing. They sure as hell can jam stations here [in Islamabad], so why can't they do that up there?"

Fazlullah, a local student who once earned a living ferrying passengers and goods across the Swat river, got his start studying under Maulana Sufi Muhammad, a religious teacher who founded the Tehrik Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammaidi (Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Law) in the 1990s. In 2002, TNSM was banned, and Muhammad thrown in jail for mobilizing thousands of his followers to fight American forces in Afghanistan. Fazlullah, by then his son-in-law, continued the campaign for Sharia using the platform of his popular radio show.

Now the government has released Muhammad, in hopes that he can help calm the situation. Shuja calls it part of the "political effort" needed to accompany the military campaign. "Brute use of force alone would only take us backwards." That may be so, but releasing a known anti-government campaigner seems like a desperate gamble — one that the government may already be losing. "He is our leader and very dear to all of us, but our struggle for the implementation of a true Islamic system will not be affected," says Sirajuddin. "Maulana Sufi is demanding the same. It is good that the government has released him; now it should start work on the implementation of Sharia."

While it is unlikely that the government will ever go that far, the newly appointed Vice Chief of Army Staff, Ashfaq Kyani, who is slated to take over from Musharraf when he retires as army chief, is already taking steps to remedy some of the military's worst problems. On Monday, he visited troops in Swat to raise morale and is taking concrete steps to get them more training and equipment. Even as U.S. military commanders return again and again to well-thumbed counterinsurgency textbooks dating to Vietnam to help with current engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan too has to learn the art of counterinsurgency. "It's going to be a long haul, and we don't have time for a long haul," says the Western military official. Meanwhile, Pakistan's militants aren't waiting.
—With reporting by Shaheen Buneri

Pakistan's Taliban at the Gates - TIME
 
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Grand Operation has been satarted and last night during the operation about 80 militants were killed.

Interior ministery spokesman Cheema said Swat wil be normal on about 4 weeks.
 
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The Times article is decent enough, but when talking about the lack of equipment and training of the "soldiers", he fails to make the distinction between the FC and regular army. Though the points made about having to learn counterinsurgency tactics for a military trained to fight a conventional war are valid.

I think we are already seeing a major improvement in the Army's performance compared to Waziristan. Lets hope the lessons keep being learned and applied elsewhere too.

The recent report about the US focusing on training the FC as the primary force to maintain Law and order in FATA is also a good development.
 
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Well but we have to keep it in mind that now regular army is the main force conducting the operation in Swat. It will be apparent in few weeks whether or not this operation becomes a success for the Govt. to get back its hold in Swat.

It is obvious that Taliban and overall people from Waziristan and FATA are more well equipped with weapons as compared to Swat.
 
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Well but we have to keep it in mind that now regular army is the main force conducting the operation in Swat. It will be apparent in few weeks whether or not this operation becomes a success for the Govt. to get back its hold in Swat.

It is obvious that Taliban and overall people from Waziristan and FATA are more well equipped with weapons as compared to Swat.

True.

And the Taliban seem to have the support of the locals for whatever reason in FATA. It could be because the people of Swat, being a relatively developed area (tourism, businesses etc.) have a lot more to lose than the people in Waziristan, and I think the army should learn from the negativity the Taliban faced with their "check posts" in Swat, and dismantle their own in FATA, focusing more on larger better defended forts.

But at the end of the day, we have to give the people of FATA something they would not want to lose, development, in order to turn against the likes of Mehsud.
 
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20 dead as thousands flee Swat fighting
Wednesday, November 21, 2007

By Daud Khattak and Saleem Athar


PESHAWAR/MINGORA: Thousands of people have fled Swat as security forces stepped up an offensive against pro-Taliban militants, killing 20 on Tuesday, including two commanders.

Witnesses said residents of Swat were leaving the area in large numbers after security forces broadcast warnings by loudspeaker. In Alpuri, headquarters of Shangla district, residents said almost all shops and government and private offices remained closed. “We have no option but to leave our home,” said Ali Ravi, who lost three members of his family on Sunday night when a mortar hit his residence in Tottvandi village, reported Reuters.

“In certain areas the local population was advised to leave their homes to avoid collateral damage,” Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema confirmed to reporters.

Meanwhile, soldiers, backed by gunship helicopters, targeted local Taliban positions in the Yakh Tangai and Wahabkhel Kodkai areas of Shangla district. Local officials said six bodies, and as many injured, had been brought to Swat’s Matta Hospital. Two of the dead were identified as Mohammad Amin and Mohammad Yousaf, commanders of rebel cleric Maulana Fazlullah.

Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told Daily Times that 20 to 30 Taliban were killed in Monday night’s operation, while another 15 were killed as troops continued targeting their positions. Arshad claimed that schools had been reopened in Swat district and several residents had started returning to their homes.

Separately, residents said three locals had been killed in fighting in the Wahabkhel Kodkai area, although the army did not confirm any civilian casualties.

Also on Tuesday, officials said helicopter gunships targeted Taliban hideouts in Manglor Kas and Kanjoo areas of the district, resulting in the deaths of several miscreants.

Amjad Iqbal, a spokesman for the Swat Media Cell, said 20 Taliban were killed and over 40 wounded as security forces attacked two schools where the militants had taken refuge in Kot Charbagh.

Taliban deny: However, Maulana Fazlullah’s spokesman Sirajuddin refuted such claims as baseless. He said none of the rebel cleric’s men was killed or injured in Kot Charbagh. The self-proclaimed spokesman, however, admitted that six militants had been killed and an equivalent number injured in military action in Shangla.

Proscribed organisation: Speaking to Daily Times over the telephone, Swat journalist Shahzad said a majority of those killed in the fresh military swoop were members of a proscribed organisation. Although the journalist did not mention the name of the banned outfit, another source said they belonged to Maulana Masood Azhar’s Jaish-e-Muhammad. Military officials and the Taliban were not available for comment. Meanwhile, APP reported that security forces had intercepted wireless communication between some militant groups in Shangla on Monday night, which had revealed that the militants have suffered heavy losses in the ongoing operation and are now in a state of despair. The militants were also heard saying that the civil population has turned against them and the security forces are carrying out effective operations.


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Soldier killed in Waziristan attack
Wednesday, November 21, 2007

MIRANSHAH: A security personnel was killed and three others, two soldiers and a civilian, were injured as a rocket hit an army camp in Mir Ali subdivision of the restive North Waziristan Agency on Tuesday.

Officials said the rocket had been fired from an undisclosed location around 10:15am killing an army driver while injuring two soldiers and a civilian. The army camp is located some 35 kilometres east of the agency headquarters, Miranshah, on the main Bannu-Miranshah Road in the Kajori area. staff report


Daily Times
 
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Pakistan imposes food blockade on militants
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23 November 2007



PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Pakistani authorities imposed a food blockade and a 12-hour curfew in a restive northwest valley where troops are battling militants loyal to a pro-Taleban cleric, officials said Friday.


Residents in Swat valley said loudspeakers announced a daily curfew from2:00am to 2:00pm.

Intelligence officials said food supplies to the areas where militants are holed up had been stopped and any kind of movement was already disallowed, to prevent weapons and other supplies reaching them.

‘Ten trucks loaded with food supplies were ordered last night to stop in Mingora,’ an intelligence official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

Several residents in the valley said there were no food shortages in the area so far, but feared problems if the curfews and roadblocks continue.

A spokesman for militant leader Maulana Fazlullah slammed the blockade in a statement, saying it would create hardship for the residents.

The death toll since the start of last week in Swat, where fighters loyal to Fazlullah are demanding Islamic Sharia law, is now more than 220, according to army figures.

The unrest began in Swat in July when Fazlullah’s forces occupied several villages.

President Pervez Musharraf, who cited growing militancy as one of the key reasons for declaring emergency rule on November 3, has ordered the army to flush rebels out of the area.

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Khaleej Times Online - Pakistan imposes food blockade on militants
 
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WELL this so called 'food blockade for militants' is going to suffer whome? Only peaceful people who have nothing to do with all this are going to suffer. When will we learn to act with wisdom?
 
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Here is the irony, when the government refused to do the same at the LM, because they were not sure how many hundreds of innocent students were inside and would suffer, they weer criticized from here to Timbuctoo for not doing so - now that they are using that tactic, they are being criticized for "causing suffering to the innocent people".

Make up your minds people, if it was ok in the case of LM, then it should be alright now. If you do not support it now, then admit that the action the GoP took at LM was completely appropriate.

Of course nothing is absolute - what may have worked in the LM, may be not be a good idea here. Only the people on the ground know what steps to take. While the blockade may cause suffering, so will a protracted conflict - causing pain in the short term may very likely cause fewer casualties, military and civilian, than allowing the militants to remain supplied (it would be illogical to think that weapons will not find their way in with the food supplies).
 
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