Armenians kill five Azeri soldiers

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There was a migration from other places but that not means there was not Turkic people there at all.
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[Targon]

Jealous of what ? you just make yourself ashamed, first go read a book.

Is someone have to teach you like you're little girl from elementary school to make you learn that there is no such thing as "culture stealing" thats natural process and happened all over the world, not only that, you neither have nay idea of nations and ethnicities.

 

[Surenas]

That's the point, there could never be a Turkic cultural or langauge assimiliation when they themseves adopted foreign culture, languageus.

The only reason why geography of Azerbaijan are Turkic now are because of huge Turkic settlements, which took place over centuries. These settlements are mentioned in historical sources.

Ibn-Battuta, who visited Azerbaijan and Tabriz in 12th century described it as a Turkic region, he spoke of Tabriz as the first Turkic city he met, in 12-13th century!

Seljuqs and other Turkic tribes became culturally Iranians, while Azeri's only became linguistically Turkic. Great difference. Both were Persian by culture, most important. And no, Ibn Batutta didn't refer to Tabriz as a Turkic city:

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Boeken

 

[ASQ-1918]

You should definetly take a look at book called "The Adventures of İbn Battuta".

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

Ibn-Battuta visited Azerbaijan at the time of Ilkhanate, which was capital and seat of that state.

He describes how Turks or Tatars he sometimes refers to dominate the region of Azerbaijan by demographics, he describes Tabriz as a Turkic city and the first Turkic city he visited.

He also says that altough Azerbaijan was already a "Tatar dominated" region before Ilkhanate, the flood of Turkic groups into Azerbaijan got even stronger with Ilkhanate invasion.

There is a reference to it in the book:

 

[Surenas]

You should definetly take a look at book called "The Adventures of İbn Battuta".

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

Ibn-Battuta visited Azerbaijan at the time of Ilkhanate, which was capital and seat of that state.

He describes how Turks or Tatars he sometimes refers to dominate the region of Azerbaijan by demographics, he describes Tabriz as a Turkic city and the first Turkic city he visited.

He also says that altough Azerbaijan was already a "Tatar dominated" region before Ilkhanate, the flood of Turkic groups into Azerbaijan got even stronger with Ilkhanate invasion.

There is a reference to it in the book:

That quote doesn't say jackshit. Weak arguments.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Seljuqs and other Turkic tribes became culturally Iranians, while Azeri's only became linguistically Turkic. Great difference. Both were Persian by culture, most important. And no, Ibn Batutta didn't refer to Tabriz as a Turkic city:

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Boeken

A ethnicity or nation named "Azeri" did not exist. Find me such a historical reference from medieval times.

"Azeri" as an ethnic name was invented during Shah era. The historical name of modern Azeri Turks was Turkoman.

Ethnic name of Azeri Turks was "Tatar" during period of Russian Empire.

Even today in Iran the ethnic name used among population are "Tork" and not "Azari".

 

[Surenas]

A ethnicity or nation named "Azeri" did not exist. Find me such a historical reference from medieval times.

"Azeri" as an ethnic name was invented during Shah era. The historical name of modern Azeri Turks was Turkoman.

Ethnic name of Azeri Turks was "Tatar" during period of Russian Empire.

I will look.

 

[ASQ-1918]

That quote doesn't say jackshit. Weak arguments.

It's not only that quote, you seem to ignore most of other things written.

And yes he mentioned Tabriz as a Turkic city;

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

And also this;

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

 

[Surenas]

It's not only that quote, you seem to ignore most of other things written.

And yes he mentioned Tabriz as a Turkic city;

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

And also this;

The Adventures of Ibn Battuta, a Muslim Traveler of the Fourteenth Century - Ross E. Dunn - Google Books

I didn't read quotes of Ibn Battuta referring to Tabriz as a Turkic city. Even genetic researches today show them to be Iranian.

 

[ASQ-1918]

I will look.

This one is official population census of Russian Empire from 1897.

It shows Yerevan governorate, and you can see that Azeri Turks are refered to as "Tatar".

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cerehu.jpg

Maps from 1914 and 1923

http://i39.tinypic.com/fbvu3r.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/28s5v00.jpg

Just a proof that "Azeri" as an ethnic/nation term did not exist before it was invented like said.

 

[Surenas]

It's like Turks claim (Iranian) Scythians and Sarmations were Turkic. Like a Turkish professor claimed also that Belgians were Turks. What you guys don't claim? Pathetic people.

This one is official population census of Russian Empire from 1897.

It shows Yerevan governorate, and you can see that Azeri Turks are refered to as "Tatar".

http://i56.tinypic.com/2cerehu.jpg

Maps from 1914 and 1923

http://i39.tinypic.com/fbvu3r.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/28s5v00.jpg

Just a proof that "Azeri" as an ethnic/nation term did not exist before it was invented like said.

The Iranian origins of the Azeris likely derive from ancient Iranic tribes, such as the Medes in Iranian Azerbaijan, and Scythian invaders who arrived during the eighth century BCE. It is believed that the Medes mixed with an indigenous population, the Caucasian Mannai, a Northeast Caucasian group related to the Urartians.[18] Ancient written accounts, such as one written by Arab historian Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn al-Masudi (896–956), attest to an Iranian presence in the region:

“ The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azerbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azeri, as well as other Persian languages.

Iranian Azerbaijanis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ASQ-1918]

I didn't read quotes of Ibn Battuta referring to Tabriz as a Turkic city. Even genetic researches today show them to be Iranian.

Ibn-Battuta mentions Azerbaijan as a "Tatar center" in his quotes, like said you should read more carefully.

He don't say it directly in his actual visit, but when he visits Anatolia he actually mentions of his past visit to Tabriz, as you can read there.

He also says "Turks of Azerbaijan", referring to people from Azerbaijan, in that second link.

Yeah right, and the same "genetic researches" supposedly says that Azeri Turks of north and south are two different peoples. Why don't you shove it up your arse.

It's like Turks claim (Iranian) Scythians and Sarmations were Turkic. Like a Turkish professor claimed also that Belgians were Turks. What you guys don't claim? Pathetic people.

You are really a retard, aren't you?

Is that supposed to be an answer to my post? There is a proof for you that "Azeri" is an invented term.

 

[Surenas]

Ibn-Battuta mentions Azerbaijan as a "Tatar center" in his quotes, like said you should read more carefully.

He don't say it directly in his actual visit, but when he visits Anatolia he actually mentions of his past visit to Tabriz, as you can read there.

He also says "Turks of Azerbaijan", referring to people from Azerbaijan, in that second link.

Yeah right, and the same "genetic researches" supposedly says that Azeri Turks of north and south are two different peoples. Why don't you shove it up your arse.

Ancient written accounts, such as one written by Arab historian Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn al-Masudi (896–956), attest to an Iranian presence in the region:

“ The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azerbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azeri, as well as other Persian languages.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...ill-five-azeri-soldiers-18.html#ixzz1xVFqpkf6

Azerbaijan will always be part of (Greater) Iran.

 

[ASQ-1918]

LOL, Iran did not even exist until 1925. I can't blame you for having such inferiority complex.

There was not a single Persian rule since Arabs destroyed Sassanids, until 1925 when Qajars was removed from power.

 

[Surenas]

According to Professor Xavier De Planhol:

“ Azeri material culture, a result of this multi-secular symbiosis, is thus a subtle combination of indigenous elements and nomadic contributions, but the ratio between them is remains to be determined. The few researches undertaken (Planhol, 1960) demonstrate the indisputable predominance of Iranian tradition in agricultural techniques (irrigation, rotation systems, terraced cultivation) and in several settlement traits (winter troglodytism of people and livestock, evident in the widespread underground stables). The large villages of Iranian peasants in the irrigated valleys have worked as points for crystallization of the newcomers even in the course of linguistic transformation; these places have preserved their sites and transmitted their knowledge. The toponymy, with more than half of the place names of Iranian origin in some areas, such as the Sahand, a huge volcanic massif south of Tabriz, or the Qara Dagh, near the border (Planhol, 1966, p. 305; Bazin, 1982, p. 28) bears witness to this continuity. The language itself provides eloquent proof. Azeri, not unlike Uzbek (see above), lost the vocal harmony typical of Turkish languages. It is a Turkish language learned and spoken by Iranian peasants.[29]