Armenia signs 250 million USD defence deal with India

[VkdIndian]

A country does a threat assessment and then decides what it needs to meet those threats. It also plans what it needs to engage with it’s adversaries. Then they go around and buy those weapons. How efficiently and effectively they manage those weapons isn’t under the control of the nation selling those weapons.

If Armenia doesn’t have a strategy for Pinaka then it’s their problem. If they can’t integrate their weapons in their battle plans then it isn’t Indian problem.
Amount of “Randi Rona” by our friends is beyond comprehension.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

India has no even technology to develop anti-radiation Drone

Turkiye has far better SEAD DEAD capability than İndia's low quality military capability

wtf is an anti-radiation drone?

As for indigenous SEAD/DEAD capability

https://twitter.com/x/status/1520325552468787200

https://twitter.com/x/status/1319149664025923584

https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/he-underdog-rudram-missiles-indias-mysterious-anti-radiation-munition/2563127/

even Turkish KARGI anti-radiation Drone use this technology

Aselsan RF seeker to find and to destroy radars
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enough to kick all enemies in Syria,Libya,Karabakh

jealous troll

For god sake, RF seekers are not for SEAD/DEAD.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Well I realize some patriotic folks may color their achievements a bit, but is there an Indian Bayraktar in action anywhere? Or is it so stealthy we can't see it. We have all seen Bayraktar in action in Ukraine. Or is that fiction too?



JF-17 was sold to Myanmar and Nigeria, ditto with Musshak.

I don't see an issue with copying if you can improve on it, which is sometimes done in Asian countries. And that is not really done in Pakistan.

Most Pakistani defence products are licensed. Musshak certainly was (from SAAB).

IMHO - why Pakistani defence products aren't more successful is that overseas marketing is lacking, plus govt. lacks efforts in participating in enough country specific industry fairs. If you only go to Farnborough then there are tons of other options for buyers there.

Why were HAL Sanghis so successful in selling their Dhruv Heli copied from MBB to South Americans? Simple bluster and cheatery, which of course back-fired. After a few technical failure crashes, no one will touch your aerospace products with a ten foot pole.

I predict this Pinaka product will meet the same fate, their technology is sub-par, you can cover it up in Bharat, but other countries you take money from will not be so kind.

Pakistan must avoid this sort of fiasco. And back up each sale with robust spares support.

You can make a great product, but spares support is where most countries fail. The Russian airliner Sukhoi SSJ-100 is a great example.

More than 350 ALH are in operation, but tech is sub par. Hmmm.

 

[Tornado23]

A country does a threat assessment and then decides what it needs to meet those threats. It also plans what it needs to engage with it’s adversaries. Then they go around and buy those weapons. How efficiently and effectively they manage those weapons isn’t under the control of the nation selling those weapons.

If Armenia doesn’t have a strategy for Pinaka then it’s their problem. If they can’t integrate their weapons in their battle plans then it isn’t Indian problem.
Amount of “Randi Rona” by our friends is beyond comprehension.

Planning and strategy is, evidently, not Armenias strong suit. If it was they would've invested heavily into forming a competent IADS and actually bought A2A weaponry for their Su30. This purchase is merely for show. It won't help them in any way. It will just be fodder for their UCAVs and loitering munitions, unless they invest in AD.

 

[VkdIndian]

Planning and strategy is, evidently, not Armenias strong suit.

Yes. That’s correct. But, past performance can’t be a parameter for future performance. They could have learnt their lessons and might be out there to remedy them.

It is possible that they might be buying other weapon systems that would plug the holes that were seen in the earlier conflict. If they don’t then they would learn a hard lesson again.

Pinaka is a proven system and should work very well. It can deliver results with right usage philosophy. Pinaka can’t be start and end to all their battle plans.

 

[Foinikas]

Are you seriously comparing Turkish weopons to loser Indian weapons that even Indian military does not want?

No I'm not. I'm telling Bilal not to get carried away by the salesman's bragging in general.

do not be triggered pajeet. you contributed nothing essential.

He owned you there,though.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Sitting ducks that would be destroyed by the Azeri/Turkish TB2 drones.



Are you seriously comparing Turkish weopons to loser Indian weapons that even Indian military does not want?



It is not propagana. That is the truth.

Indian MoD orders six regiments' worth of Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers

India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed a INR25.8 billion (USD353.5 million) contract with two domestic private-sector companies and a public-sector enterprise for...

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Half-baked knowledge is dangerous.

 

[Bossman]

There are a few reasons Azerbaijanis won against the Armenians. One is Turkish UAVs, the other is Pilots and Special Forces trained by Pakistanis & Turks as well as active involvement of Pakistani and Turkish advisors in the conflict. They can buy all the $hit from Indians and they will still fail. Also one of the reasons Indians are selling to Armenia is to spite Turkey because of its support for Pakistan and there will be consequences. The Indian clowns on this forum have no idea about the depth and breath of Turkish-Pakistani-Azerbaijani military relationships

 

[Ghostkiller]

There are a few reasons Azerbaijanis won against the Armenians. One is Turkish UAVs the other is Pilots and Special Services trained by Pakistanis & Turks. They can buy all the $hit from Indians and they will still fail.

The big reason is that one country wants to modernize its army and the other one is neglecting it. One uses advanced systems and the other one soviet obsolete weapons.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Indian MoD orders six regiments' worth of Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers

India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed a INR25.8 billion (USD353.5 million) contract with two domestic private-sector companies and a public-sector enterprise for...

www.janes.com

Half-baked knowledge is dangerous.

Your government is forcing these equipment on your military.

 

[KaiserX]

I expect Azerbaijan to expedite any potential JF-17 purchase. Pakistan should chip in a few H2 glided bombs for a discount would mince these pinakas

 

[vishwambhar]

@Bilal9 @Black Tornado @vishwambhar

https://twitter.com/x/status/1561418484856528896

Pinaka is actually a very smart purchase by Armenia as it gives them immediate capability to hit the advancing armor of Azerbaijan.... they don't need himars types as geographical depth of Azerbaijan is not large and Pinaka types can inflict heavy damage on advancing infantry well in advance and give Armenia a breathing space..... it's high time for them to go for few AKASH systems for air defense against Turkish drones and wait for next order of NG once it's ready .... India can also help them on integrating BrahMos on their flankers whenever their budget allows them.....

 

[Foinikas]

There are a few reasons Azerbaijanis won against the Armenians. One is Turkish UAVs, the other is Pilots and Special Forces trained by Pakistanis & Turks as well as active involvement of Pakistani and Turkish advisors in the conflict.

The Azeri Airforce had a limited role in the conflict. Azeris mostly have Su-25s and helicopters. However,they mostly used UAVs,artillery and infantry.

As far as I know,there was no help and active involvement from Pakistan to Azerbaijan. That's mostly wishful thinking of youtube commentors who love to put the 3 flags together at every post.

Turkey,on the other hand,helped the Azeris actively.

I've also never heard of Azeri pilots being trained by Pakistan. Azerbaijan uses Mig-29s and Su-25s,what would they even do with the PAF? Aggressor training? And for what? Armenians hardly have an Airforce.

It's like @Ghostkiller said.

 

[Hellfire2006]

Look at all the Bhakt fanbois jumping up and down on their pathetic export to a country called ARMENIA. Yes ARMENIA.

I read someplace that they claim <30m (CEP) for these things.

In most artillery circles these are known as Indian bedtime stories.

Indian artillery is even worse than North Korean artillery and those have less than 50% trajectory completion rate, much less any reasonable CEP.

Welcome to 1985....

And you must be an honorable member of those artillery circles right ? Indian artillery has proven it's worth in kargil which was popularly called the gunner's war. There is also artillery present at siachen - In March 1989 Operation Ibex by the Indian Army attempted to seize the Pakistani post overlooking the Chumik Glacier. The operation was unsuccessful at dislodging Pakistani troops from their positions. Indian Army under Brig. R. K. Nanavatty launched a massive artillery attack on Kauser Base, the Pakistani logistical node in Chumik and successfully destroyed it. The destruction of Kauser Base induced Pakistani troops to vacate Chumik posts concluding Operation Ibex. All of this happened at an altitude which is much much higher than bangladesh's highest point

 

[Bossman]

The Azeri Airforce had a limited role in the conflict. Azeris mostly have Su-25s and helicopters. However,they mostly used UAVs,artillery and infantry.

As far as I know,there was no help and active involvement from Pakistan to Azerbaijan. That's mostly wishful thinking of youtube commentors who love to put the 3 flags together at every post.

Turkey,on the other hand,helped the Azeris actively.

I've also never heard of Azeri pilots being trained by Pakistan. Azerbaijan uses Mig-29s and Su-25s,what would they even do with the PAF? Aggressor training? And for what? Armenians hardly have an Airforce.

It's like @Ghostkiller said.

Azeri Pilots at PAF Academy Risalpur is a known fact.

The efficacy of the Pinaka MLRS was first demonstrated during the Kargil War in 1999, when the system caused havoc when fired at Pakistani infiltrators’ positions

If it was so good then why did India buy SMERCH after Pinaka was inducted.