Armenia 'genocide' row: Turkey recalls envoy to Germany after vote

[MarkusS]

WW1 dude - please read up on history.

Within a generation Turkey will match German economic output.

France is not a strong country economically
and will weaken over time as Asian competition bites into it's export mix.

Turkey can and never will match german economy for the sole reason that it falls towards being a failed state. Its economic growth is almost down at zero. Its in civil war and maybe doesnt exist in its current form within a generation.

And i know WWI. Turkey was a useless ally. (Ottomans lost at evry front)

Basic fact is there can be no trust.

I tell you the truth, i believe turkey is behind ISIS. I dont trust erdogan or any turk for that matter.

 

[UKBengali]

Turkey can and never will match german economy for the sole reason that it falls towards being a failed state. Its economic growth is almost down at zero. Its in civil war and maybe doesnt exist in its current form within a generation.

And i know WWI. Turkey was a useless ally. (Ottomans lost at evry front)

Basic fact is there can be no trust.

I tell you the truth, i believe turkey is behind ISIS. I dont trust erdogan or any turk for that matter.

LOL - Turkish economy is powering ahead at over 4% GDP growth a year.

Unless something goes horribly wrong, within one generation, it will become the first developed 100 million+ population country that has land on the European continent.

It is up to Germany, but breaking with Turks who have been historical friends is a bad idea.

Think of the world in 2030 and not as it is now. Germany needs a rich and technological powerful ally and Turkey is the perfect country.

 

[Nilgiri]

LOL - Turkish economy is powering ahead at over 4% GDP growth a year.

Unless something goes horribly wrong, within one generation, it will become the first developed 100 million+ population country that has land on the European continent.

It is up to Germany, but breaking with Turks who have been historical friends is a bad idea.

Think of the world in 2030 and not as it is now. Germany needs a rich and technological powerful ally and Turkey is the perfect country.

So by same token, theoretically if Pakistan were much richer at Turkey level, growing at same speed....that can excuse what they did to you in 1971...and other countries are thus justified for ignoring the atrocities they did?

 

[UKBengali]

So by same token, theoretically if Pakistan were much richer at Turkey level, growing at same speed....that can excuse what they did to you in 1971...and other countries are thus justified for ignoring the atrocities they did?

There was no genocide of Armenians by Turks in WW1 anyway - the Turks did not make adequate arrangements for the deportation of a hostile population and it was that which led to large loss of life.

If Germany is such a moral country, why does it maintain good relations with US which has been one of the most violent countries in the world since WW2?

Let us face it, German politicians are screwing their future by breaking with a country like Turkey that can be a great partner as the world moves to a more-Asian centric one within just one generation. Germany will be not much more than a small player then with it's relatively tiny population of 80 million.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

And i know WWI. Turkey was a useless ally. (Ottomans lost at evry front)

Do you call the Gallipoli victory a lost front We practically beat the entire fleet of the allies. Then we proceeded at beating the entire armed forces of the Allied forces.
Ottoman won many fronts, but Gallipoli was one of the biggest fronts and we practically obliterated the advancing forces on our own hands, when the Empire was deemed "the sick man of Europe". If that's our sick stage, and if our economy is marching ahead unseen in the history, that would practically make us the greatest force in Europe second to Russia. And that's where we are headed, in 10-15 years time, that will be the reality Europe will have to deal with. And buddy, it doesn't matter if you like us or not, that's just pure cold reality.

The 21st Century is a Turkish century, upon establishing our strenght, unity with our Turkic brothers is within reach and that force will be a force to be reckoned with. With regards old Roman Empire, when we conquered Istanbul, we practically ended the Romans, and for centuries Europe bowed to our dominance. 2-3 centuries we paused, that's more than enough

why does it maintain good relations with US which has been one of the most violent countries in the world since WW2?

Let us face it, German politicians are screwing their future by breaking with a country like Turkey that can be a great partner as the world moves to a more-Asian centric one within just one generation.

For us, it makes no difference. In this screwed political climate and uncertainty our economic growth hit about 5 percent in first quarter. In 3-4 years our military industry will reach new heights unseen in Turkey, we are experiencing a revolution in arms industry as we speak. They'll talk we'll produce, they'll try to destabilize Turkey, support PKK terrorist, we'll stand steadfast and grow. In time they'll come to their senses. They'll screw Middle East destabilize, create influx of refugees, we'll recieve all their refugees, house them, feed them, school them. The hypocrits will continue on crying for us sending a few thousands to their borders.

Europe is no longer a civilization we regard with respect, you guys ruined your image. We Turks are a great civilization. The only that comes to mind of similar steadfastness, civilizational development, respect, honor, size, strenght is Japan.
History will repeat

 

[UKBengali]

For us, it makes no difference. In this screwed political climate and uncertainty our economic growth hit about 5 percent in first quarter. In 3-4 years our military industry will reach new heights unseen in Turkey, we are experiencing a revolution in arms industry as we speak. They'll talk we'll produce, they'll try to destabilize Turkey, support PKK terrorist, we'll stand steadfast and grow. In time they'll come to their senses. They'll screw Middle East destabilize, create influx of refugees, we'll recieve all their refugees, house them, feed them, school them. The hypocrits will continue on crying for us sending a few thousands to their borders.

History will repeat

This is a shame as I would like to see countries like Germany, Turkey and Japan form a new partnership to counterbalance the large countries like US, China and maybe even India in the far future.

These Germans seem to have taken all leave of their senses for some reason.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Germany, Turkey and Japan form a new partnership to counterbalance the large countries like US, China and maybe even India in the far future.

We won't need Germany, they surrendered everything after WWII and are today tamed by the US. We'll form an alliance with the Turkic nations (and perhaps Japan, as we share common ancestry with our Altaic Japanese brothers), that will suffice to counterbalance Russia, China and possibly USA in the future. As Shinzo Abe once said, the two feet of Asia is Japan and Turkey at the far Eastern and Western ends, this unity goes back to Imperial Japan and the Ottoman Empire, when we had reciprocal relations.

 

[Nilgiri]

There was no genocide of Armenians by Turks in WW1 anyway - the Turks did not make adequate arrangements for the deportation of a hostile population and it was that which led to large loss of life.

If Germany is such a moral country, why does it maintain good relations with US which has been one of the most violent countries in the world since WW2?

Let us face it, German politicians are screwing their future by breaking with a country like Turkey that can be a great partner as the world moves to a more-Asian centric one within just one generation. Germany will be not much more than a small player then with it's relatively tiny population of 80 million.

OK so you deny that genocide....just like Pakistan denies the one they committed on your soil....pictures of which you display in your Dhaka Press Club. Good to know.

But the main issue concerns not what you believe as an individual but what a country's democratically elected authority chooses to believe/stand by. So from the standpoint that for some reason a country believes on the evidence and case made to its parliament that a genocide was committed....should that country forego that belief in light of the economic advantages of having a closer relationship with the country that perpetrated the said genocide? A simple yes or no?

 

[UKBengali]

OK so you deny that genocide....just like Pakistan denies the one they committed on your soil....pictures of which you display in your Dhaka Press Club. Good to know.

But the main issue concerns not what you believe as an individual but what a country's democratically elected authority chooses to believe/stand by. So from the standpoint that for some reason a country believes on the evidence and case made to its parliament that a genocide was committed....should that country forego that belief in light of the economic advantages of having a closer relationship with the country that perpetrated the said genocide? A simple yes or no?

They don't actually believe that Turkey committed genocide - Germany wants to "punish" Turkey for ISIS/refugees.

As for Armenian "genocide", was there a systematic attempt by Turk to kill every single Armenian in their territory? No, as all they wanted to do was deport them to another part of the empire. They were careless as they never made the proper logistical preparations and so can be criticised for that, but genocide, no that was not genocide.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

They don't actually believe that Turkey committed genocide - Germany wants to "punish" Turkey for ISIS/refugees.

As for Armenian "genocide", was there a systematic attempt by Turk to kill every single Armenian in their territory? No, as all they wanted to do was deport them to another part of the empire. They were careless as they never made the proper logistical preparations and so can be criticised for that, but genocide, no that was not genocide.

How dare you call it non-genocide when the Western "masters" deem it genocide? this is heresy!

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

LOL - Turkish economy is powering ahead at over 4% GDP growth a year.

Unless something goes horribly wrong, within one generation, it will become the first developed 100 million+ population country that has land on the European continent.

It is up to Germany, but breaking with Turks who have been historical friends is a bad idea.

Think of the world in 2030 and not as it is now. Germany needs a rich and technological powerful ally and Turkey is the perfect country.

You're not taking currency devaluations into account.

In 2013, Turkey's GDP was 823 billion US dollars.

In 2014, it was 798 billion US dollars.

And in 2015, Turkey's GDP was 734 billion US dollars.

Source:

https://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2015-data-and-charts

Also, take a look at these charts:

By the way, Turkey's population will never reach 100 million people:

Turkey will face many demographic challenges in the coming years, especially as the percentage of ethnic Kurds increases due to declining birthrates among ethnic Turks:

 

[UKBengali]

@Kuwaiti Girl - big deal if it never gets to 100 million as Turkey will still be the most populous industrialised country with land in Europe.

As for the minorities like Kurds , this is little different than what will happen in EU countries like France and Germany.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

There was no genocide of Armenians by Turks in WW1 anyway - the Turks did not make adequate arrangements for the deportation of a hostile population and it was that which led to large loss of life.

If Germany is such a moral country, why does it maintain good relations with US which has been one of the most violent countries in the world since WW2?

Let us face it, German politicians are screwing their future by breaking with a country like Turkey that can be a great partner as the world moves to a more-Asian centric one within just one generation. Germany will be not much more than a small player then with it's relatively tiny population of 80 million.

Germany will always be more advanced than Turkey, in my opinion, unless Turkey undergoes huge socio-political transformations in the coming years.

Firstly, Germany has become a country of immigrants. It can always attract enough immigrants to replace its aging population, compensate for its workforce shortages, etc.

Turkey, on the other hand, is nowhere near becoming a country of immigrants. In the coming years, it'll have to find a way to cleverly tackle its workforce shortages and aging population, not to mention a rising percentage of ethnic Kurds.

Also, no one thinks Turkey's economy will overtake Germany's in the coming decades. I only heard this from you.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

You're not taking currency devaluations into account.

In 2013, Turkey's GDP was 823 billion US dollars.

In 2014, it was 798 billion US dollars.

And in 2015, Turkey's GDP was 734 billion US dollars.

Source:

https://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2015-data-and-charts

Also, take a look at these charts:

By the way, Turkey's population will never reach 100 million people:

Turkey will face many demographic challenges in the coming years, especially as the percentage of ethnic Kurds increases due to declining birthrates among ethnic Turks:

Yah, take a look at other major EU economies
Germany 2013: 3,746.5
2014: 3,874.4
2015: 3,357.6

France 2013: 2,811.1
2014: 2,833.7
2015: 2,421.6

That doesn't indicate Turkey's economy will suffer in the coming years. from 2008-2015 every major European economy suffered way more than the Turkish. And growth rate for Turkish economy is the highest in Europe. Thus your figures completely debunked.
Oh and yeah, our population will peak at about 95 million. Still will be the biggest and youngest European.

In the coming years, it'll have to find a way to cleverly tackle its workforce shortages and aging population, not to mention a rising percentage of ethnic Kurds.

Again shortsightness. The median age of Turkey is about 10-20 years younger than Germany, France etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
And the influx of Middle Eastern workforce is constant. So is Armenian+Georgrian+Azarbaijani+Bulgarian+Romanian+Greek etc.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

@Kuwaiti Girl - big deal if it never gets to 100 million as Turkey will still be the most populous industrialised country with land in Europe.

As for the minorities like Kurds , this is little different than what will happen in EU countries like France and Germany.

Turkey's already an industrial nation. It's a newly industrialized country, so this really means nothing.

They key is to compete with other industrial nations while maintaining economic self-sufficiency. Only the US has mastered that so far, and China is giving it a go recently, but it remains to be seen whether or not the Chinese will succeed in achieving self-sufficiency.

Turkey's population will decline in the coming decades. That shouldn't be problematic if the Turks are smart enough to attract immigrants to their country. But I highly doubt Turkey will become a country of immigrants. It requires huge social changes in Turkey, and it doesn't seem that the Turks are up for it.