Armenia 'genocide' row: Turkey recalls envoy to Germany after vote

[UKBengali]

Germany will always be more advanced than Turkey, in my opinion, unless Turkey undergoes huge socio-political transformations in the coming years.

Firstly, Germany has become a country of immigrants. It can always attract enough immigrants to replace its aging population, compensate for its workforce shortages, etc.

Turkey, on the other hand, is nowhere near becoming a country of immigrants. In the coming years, it'll have to find a way to cleverly tackle its workforce shortages and aging population, not to mention a rising percentage of ethnic Kurds.

Also, no one thinks Turkey's economy will overtake Germany's in the coming decades. I only heard this from you.

Maybe you should study economics a little more.
Turkey is a middle income country with GDP growth in 4-5% range with Germany at 1-2%, a little maths says it wont take long for Turkey to approach Germany.

Being an Arab, you are butt-hurt against Turks due to their centuries of rule over your people naturally.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Turkey will face many demographic challenges in the coming years, especially as the percentage of ethnic Kurds increases due to declining birthrates among ethnic Turks:

This is simply BS coming from Western journalists. In actual fact, population of Eastern Anatolia is steadily decreasing.

Wikipedia:

The total population of the region is 6,100,000 (2000 census) and 5,906,565 (2014 estimate). The region has the second most rural population of Turkey after the Black Sea region. The migration level (to the other regions, especially to Marmara Region) is high and population density (40 person/km²) is lower than the average for Turkey (98 person/km²). The migration toward other Turkey's regions and toward foreign countries is higher than the natural population increase, a fact which is leading to a slight decline of the Region's population.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Yah, take a look at other major EU economies
Germany 2013: 3,746.5
2014: 3,874.4
2015: 3,357.6

France 2013: 2,811.1
2014: 2,833.7
2015: 2,421.6

That doesn't indicate Turkey's economy will suffer in the coming years. from 2008-2015 every major European economy suffered way more than the Turkish. And growth rate for Turkish economy is the highest in Europe. Thus your figures completely debunked.
Oh and yeah, our population will peak at about 95 million. Still will be the biggest and youngest European.


Again shortsightness. The median age of Turkey is about 10-20 years younger than Germany, France etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
And the influx of Middle Eastern workforce is constant. So is Armenian+Georgrian+Azarbaijani+Bulgarian+Romanian+Greek etc.

My figures weren't debunked at all. You just showed me that Turkey is as cursed as the other European countries from an economic point of view.

Turkey's GDP was over 820 billion US dollars only three years ago. Now, the country's GDP is a little over 700 billion US dollars.

This is problematic for a country whose ruling party relies on economic success for legitimacy. Moreover, it hardly paints Turkey as a country that's "on the rise", economically.

Another problem is that Turkey has already heavily devalued its currency in order to compete internationally. It can't devalue its currency even more without creating more problems for itself.

As for immigration to Turkey, you shouldn't be relying on the likes of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia for manpower because these countries are facing population declines of their own.

Turkey has to attract immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa if it wants to compensate for the workforce shortages that it will encounter in the coming decades.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Turkey, on the other hand, is nowhere near becoming a country of immigrants. In the coming years, it'll have to find a way to cleverly tackle its workforce shortages and aging population, not to mention a rising percentage of ethnic Kurds.
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Wth?! Are you serious? We already welcomed 3 MILLION Arabs..."nowhere near becoming a country of immigrants"....

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Maybe you should study economics a little more.
Turkey is a middle income country with GDP growth in 4-5% range with Germany at 1-2%, a little maths says it wont take long for Turkey to approach Germany.

Being an Arab, you are butt-hurt against Turks due to their centuries of rule over your people naturally.

Turkey supposedly had 4% economic growth last year, and yet its GDP by the end of 2015 was lower than its GDP by the end of 2014.

Currency devaluations played a part in this.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

This is simply BS coming from Western journalists. In actual fact, population of Eastern Anatolia is steadily decreasing.

Wikipedia:

The total population of the region is 6,100,000 (2000 census) and 5,906,565 (2014 estimate). The region has the second most rural population of Turkey after the Black Sea region. The migration level (to the other regions, especially to Marmara Region) is high and population density (40 person/km²) is lower than the average for Turkey (98 person/km²). The migration toward other Turkey's regions and toward foreign countries is higher than the natural population increase, a fact which is leading to a slight decline of the Region's population.

That's not the point, though.

The point is that the people from the eastern parts of Turkey have a higher birthrate than those from the western parts. Ethnic Kurds have higher birthrates and are migrating to the big cities.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Turkey's GDP was over 820 billion US dollars only three years ago. Now, the country's GDP is a little over 700 billion US dollars.

Yeah the global crisis hit all countries. A recent growth chart showed Turkey's economic growth is number 1 in Europe. This is pretty indicative of prospects for the future.
When it comes to workforce. Currently the workforce is sufficient, and out median age is approx. 15 years younger than major European economies. And hundreds of thousands of Turkish immigrants from Europe return to Turkey after getting their University degrees in Europe, because it's easier for university graduates from European universities to find job in Turkey.

You are painting a grim picture of Turkish economic prospects. Industrial growth, energy sector, education, billions allocated to R&D etc indicate a different story. You have to look at the whole picture if you want to truly understand the track of a country's economic prospects. This includes infrastructure, % of population's educational level, influx of high skilled workers fro abroad, FDI, and so so much more. A couple numbers like GDP from the last 3 years doesn't tell the whole story. The national economy thrives in environments that serve industrial growth, and this necessiates, tunnels, roads, highways, airports, major projects, dams, windmills etc.

Thanks brah, this was the chart i remembered, that you posted recently

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Wth?! Are you serious? We already welcomed 3 MILLION Arabs..."nowhere near becoming a country of immigrants"....

These are refugees, not immigrants, and most of them are running off to Europe, especially Germany, because they don't like the way they're treated in Turkey.

Yeah the global crisis hit all countries. A recent growth chart showed Turkey's economic growth is number 1 in Europe. This is pretty indicative of prospects for the future.
When it comes to workforce. Currently the workforce is sufficient, and out median age is approx. 15 years younger than major European economies. And hundreds of thousands of Turkish immigrants from Europe return to Turkey after getting their University degrees in Europe, because it's easier for university graduates from European universities to find job in Turkey.

You are painting a grim picture of Turkish economic prospects. Industrial growth, energy sector, education, billions allocated to R&D etc indicate a different story. You have to look at the whole picture if you want to truly understand the track of a country's economic prospects. This includes infrastructure, % of population's educational level, influx of high skilled workers fro abroad, FDI, and so so much more. A couple numbers like GDP from the last 3 years doesn't tell the whole story.


Thanks brah, this was the chart i remembered, that you posted recently

I don't think Turkey has a bad future at all.

In fact, I think Turkey has a relatively better future than its immediate neighbors.

I just thought UKBengali was kissing too much butt when he said that Turkey will one day match/overtake Germany lol.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

That's not the point, though.

The point is that the people from the eastern parts of Turkey have a higher birthrate than those from the western parts. Ethnic Kurds have higher birthrates and are migrating to the big cities.

I am of Zaza origin and a proud member of the great Turkish nation. Do you really believe that my people will support atheist scum like PKK?! You Western people think that every single Kurd is supportive of separatism but there you're mistaken.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I just thought UKBengali was kissing too much butt when he said that Turkey will one day match/overtake Germany lol.

This will happen without any doubt in few decades. It all boils down to the pension/retirement age Germans are reaching which will stun their economic growth. And Turkey's economy will exceed Germany's, basically because in about 30 years Turkish population will be 95 million while Germany's will probably lie around 75 million. 20 million difference

 

[UKBengali]

Turkey supposedly had 4% economic growth last year, and yet its GDP by the end of 2015 was lower than its GDP by the end of 2014.

Currency devaluations played a part in this.

You answered your own question here.

As Turkey starts approaching "developed" country status as the 2020s progresses, it's currency will naturally appreciate.

It's GDP is currently growing at 5% a year - just recently it signed a 4+ billion US dollar deal to build gas plants in Iran and so there is a new market for Turkey to propel it's GDP growth in the future.

Turkey will by the end of the decade have the full spectrum of weapons, bar fighter aircraft which will come next decade, to sell on the world market to generate even more income.

This will happen without any doubt in few decades. It all boils down to the pension/retirement age Germans are reaching which will stun their economic growth. And Turkey's economy will exceed Germany's, basically because in about 30 years Turkish population will be 95 million while Germany's will probably lie around 75 million. 20 million difference

Ignore that Arab as they have a natural inferiority complex to white people and think that whites cannot be beaten ever.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

This will happen without any doubt in few decades. It all boils down to the pension/retirement age Germans are reaching which will stun their economic growth. And Turkey's economy will exceed Germany's, basically because in about 30 years Turkish population will be 95 million while Germany's will probably lie around 75 million. 20 million difference

None of the economists around the world think that Turkey's going to overtake or match Germany.

CEPR, the IMF, and PwC have all released projected GDP rankings for the coming decades. None of them think Turkey will match or overtake Germany.

I really have no idea where you're getting this idea from.

Plus, a larger population doesn't automatically mean a larger economy. You're being way too simplistic here.

Moreover, Germany will always be able to attract economic migrants. Turkey has yet to prove that it can do that.

Turkey's population is going to decline as well in the coming decades. But unlike Germany, I doubt Turkey will be able to attract immigrants to compensate for its declining population.

You answered your own question here.

As Turkey starts approaching "developed" country status as the 2020s progresses, it's currency will naturally appreciate.

It's GDP is currently growing at 5% a year - just recently it signed a 4+ billion US dollar deal to build gas plants in Iran and so there is a new market for Turkey to propel it's GDP growth in the future.

Turkey will be the end of the decade have the full spectrum of weapons, bar fighter aircraft which will come next decade, to sell on the world market to generate even more income.



Ignore that Arab as they have a natural inferiority complex to white people and think that whites cannot be beaten ever.

I'm not an ethnic Arab. And even if I were, there's no excuse for your racism.

Grow up and try to have a civilized discussion without resorting to petty insults. The only reason why you're resorting to petty insults is that you've been embarrassed and can no longer reply with logic.

Also, I didn't answer my own question. I was actually explaining to you why Turkey's so-called economic growth has largely been illusory over the last couple of years. Despite all this so-called annual growth, Turkey's GDP went down between 2013 and the end of 2015.

Turkey's problem is that it can't compete internationally unless it devalues its own currency. Currency appreciation will actually make it harder for the Turks to compete with other countries. Whichever way you look at it, Turkey's GDP won't change a lot or expand fast enough to overtake countries like Germany, unless the Turkish economy moves from being an export-based economy to being a consumer-based economy. But that's easier said than done. Even Japan has had a hard time doing that.

 

[UKBengali]

I'm not an ethnic Arab. And even if I were, there's no excuse for your racism.

Grow up and try to have a civilized discussion without resorting to petty insults. The only reason why you're resorting to petty insults is that you've been embarrassed and can no longer reply with logic.

Also, I didn't answer my own question. I was actually explaining to you why Turkey's so-called economic growth has largely been illusory over the last couple of years. Despite all this so-called annual growth, Turkey's GDP went down between 2013 and the end of 2015.

Turkey's problem is that it can't compete internationally unless it devalues its own currency. Currency appreciation will actually make it harder for the Turks to compete with other countries. Whichever way you look at it, Turkey's GDP won't change a lot or expand fast enough to overtake countries like Germany, unless the Turkish economy moves from being an export-based economy to being a consumer-based economy. But that's easier said than done. Even Japan has had a hard time doing that.

LOL - even if you are not an Arab you have an inferiority complex towards whites, that Arabs also have, and know nothing of economics/geopolitics in general.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

None of the economists around the world think that Turkey's going to overtake or match Germany.

None economist foresaw China taking over American economy in merely 2-3 decades, these self-proclaimed experts would laugh at your face if you told them of the Chinese prospects..

CEPR, the IMF, and PwC have all released projected GDP rankings for the coming decades. None of them think Turkey will match or overtake Germany. I really have no idea where you're getting this idea from.

Does the IMF PwC CEPR etc, follow every single Turkish industrial development, the huge projects? The dams that generate tons of energy and bring water+green to desert ares in central Anatolia? The giant airpots, bridges, underwater highways connecting the continents? Have they travelled around Turkey to witness the municipal developments? Are they taking into account our future export Altay Tank deals? Our MPT-76 rifle deals, our Cobras, our TFX, or Ballistic Missiles? Have these guys lived in Turkey, i want to look at what they base their projections of before i take their word at truth value. Are they following scientific publishings of Turkish universities, how many engineers we produce yearly, what's their exact qualifications and competencies. How many graduates from Europe we recieve yearly, and how they impact the overall development of tech development. Is there a brain influx or are highly intelligent people still leaving the country?

They are taking simple economic outlook based on budgets and a specific years outcome, from those data they project one year into the future, which almost never is close to the reality. A team of specialist that's unable to foresee worldwide economic crisis isn't much reliable. You either have to find/consult a specific country expert or you have to follow the steps you can follow for the country. Data is mostly good for understanding current GDP rates
I'm not alien to the data provided by IMF and sorts. I have a degree in a EU university in political science. I know the methodology and math behind the projections of GDP growth PPP and so on.

These data are based on rigid numbers, they don't take into account a variety of variables that's vital in comprehending where specific economies are headed.