But you some how know that DRDO is making excuses how?
GTRE failed at the kaveri. Thats why further development is carried out by Snecma. This clearly says FAILURE.
DRDO cannot catch up with foreign developers. They blame failures on the services mainly based on change in requirements. The reporters hype up the story and potray DRDO as the hero and the services as the villians. Typical blame game. The services have been waiting over 20 years for the LCA and ARJUN to materialize ever since they were sanctioned in the 90s. Change in requirements HAVE TO TAKE PLACE over such prolonged periods.
Dont mess the things tell me how this 10-15 years figure came from? no need for f 15 or F 22 BS
You are the news digger in the forum. Dig it out. Russians are planning to stop development on the T-72, T-80 and T-90. They are currently working on the T-95. T-95 is said to be a "new generation tank." It is supposed to have a 152mm gun capable of firing anti-tank missiles at ranges of over 7000metres. Induction will take place after 2010. The russians also want unmanned tanks developed by 2020. 2020 is only 12 years away. Therefore the figure of 10-15 years. Any more doubts???
So what is the way out of it?
There is no way out. We can afford only 1 engine development at a time. The US can do 10 at the same time. ECONOMY CLASS.
And that is why they never get anything on time.
Wrong, DRDO never delivers on time. Look out for R&D lifecycles in india and the rest of the world. The money we spent on R&D is adjusted with inflation every time. The rest of the world finishes tank development in 5 or 6 years. Only we take more than 10 years. IA only furbishes new requirements due to change in time and technology.
Why they are going ahead with sukhois?
They have migs, now they are going for sukhois. Like Su-33,Su-34, Su-35 etc.
Su-27 airframe is a new design. MIG have to come out with a newer design too. They dont have the money to fund new projects.
Not product comes with 100% defect proof from the first day. After testing also lot of improvements got done. that is why the concept of MLU exist. If you don't get the product in to the service you industry will never learn any of those.
Again not necessary. Regular testing of TDs will ensure what is required for MLUs. We use computers now. Simulation man Simulation. You are talking about 30 years ago.
So you will nevery buy anything then why the money is getting wasted scrap the whole damn thing and keep buying from outside.
GoI is following the policy of self reliance. It is not related to buying TDs for PRIDE. So, scrapping is out of the picture.
But you are not getting it and not working on building domestic also what is the end result.
Hogwash. Pinaka is domestic. Who says we are not working domestically.
What are you trying to prove? Arjun is a failed product?
Arjun did not fail. It was merely LATE. Had it come out before the T-90 contract was signed. Then something could be done.
What? only needs funding? And then you say that this product is not useful then why you need funding? A vicious circle.
Funding is needed to make the product better. DRDO is not in it for profit. DRDO and GOI are trying to prove to the world that india can build good products without outside assistance. It is our cue for being accepted as a global power.
You are comparing different class of fighters so obviously you will not get any clear picture.
Then compare F-16 to the LCA. LCA is not at the same level.
Obviously I can't comprehend you are just talking in air like just ONE PLANE each plane is different each has a different requirement each fulfills a different role each requires a different training. You can't just jump around by saying ONE PLANE.
You are talking logistics. I am talking about the product. If you are given an option between Mercedes and BMW which will you choose? Now choose based on car performance, handling etc. this is what i meant. What you meant is the way it is going to be used or the role.
What you are talking about is. BMW is good for racing and Mercedes is good for luxury and are completely ignoring the engine performance, handling etc.
Oh till that time it is a useless piece then.
It is useless to the IAF. But useful to DRDO.
There is no such thing as complete self sufficiency in space - quite a few of the components are procured from abroad and assembled here to allow a particular mission profile be it remote sensing ,communication or chandrayan
Yes, it also includes ALL the WIRING. Did you know that ALL WIRING in satellites are imported.
Having said that PSLV has the maximum indegenious component till date almost all basic systems are made in India -GSLV MK3 wil be even better
Regarding cryogenics as used in GSLV program only (PSLV ) does not use a cryo stage everything is being done from scratch or rather fundamentals here in India -the rocket engines ,the vacuum jacketed multilayer insulated piping system fro liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen piping ,the liquid oxygento liquid nitrogen sub cooling heat exchanger ,the liquid nitrogen vaporizer for payload bay purging before launch ,the associated control system and development of operating logic ,the turbo pumps ,the combustion chamber etc etc -in short GSLV mk3 will be the most indegeniuos of all rockets till date and also most powerful.
We were only talking about cryogenic engines. Not about GSLV and PSLV. we have been using russian engines. The recent test with indian engines failed. A new test will be held in 2009, with indian engines.
How you will come to know the effectiveness of the products wnill using them in live services?
Dude, we have not even built our own SNIPER rifle. Our small arms industry is BACKWARD.
R&D is done to develop a product? A product is based on a set of requirements. Once a product is made it amy/may not fulfill all the requirements but just based on this you can't dump the product especially if it is your first product.
Funding will take care of it. New Blocks have to be developed.
Also you pay for there R&D in the money you pay them.
It is going to take years for us to develop the same products thats used in F-16s etc. do u think we can develop an AESA on our own, when we cant even develop a satisfactory MMR.
China developed the Type 99 MBT. But, they cant induct more than 200-300. Even China cant handle such modern MBTs. Do you know that the Type-99 is lighter than the ARJUN by 5 tons?
But they have inducted 1500 Type 96, which are in the same league or inferior to the T-90s that we have.
Anyways, ARJUN costs $3.2 million while T-90 costs $1.6million. You do the math. maintaining ARJUN is even more expensive.
MONEY MONEY MONEY. Either funding or kickbacks or politics. Who knows?
Exactly my point is the DGMF is messing around without having any idea about what they want and wasting the money.
They have an idea about what they want.
India sets in motion plans to build futuristic tanks- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
[
B]"Next five years would see all aerial combat
unmanned and the same process could take over the land systems in another
10 to 15 years," said Lt Gen Dilip Bhardawaj, Director General of the country's mechanised forces in his presentation. [/B]
This proves my 10-15 years theory.
No your line was this that CELRON are outdated. Now you are taking complete turn here check you statement again
True. But I just used your quote to prove my point. Thats all. IA doesnot need heavy MBTs.
You are simply saying till the point I will get a phren maal i will only buy that till the time all domestic maal is a crap.
Until the domestic maal reaches a certain level of maturity.
You have not done anything except making baseless arguments
All you have done is misquote my points.
So all the products are tested and 100% this is what you are saying? then how the electronics stooped working and AC is needed? Now AC is not eating in to the budget?
AC is not expensive. Even the cooling suits need maintainance.
Now this china angle... where the hell china and India are going to see tank wars? in himalayas? And what is that new generation of tank any ways? They will keep deciding and keep changing the requirement and that will again end in a disaster
The competition will be technological and economical and not military.
When you don't want MK1 then what is the guarantee you will like the MK2 or Mk3
DRDO has to prove it.
How this magical figure of 30 years reached?
Research and figure it out. Or is it that you have your own figures???
So you are saying just waste the taxpayer money for something that is not going to see the light? What sort of logic is this?
It proves technological capability. More than just a good reason. We can be partners in any future russian or israeli tank development instead of just the clearing bills for research.
DRDO is losing the valuable experience gained in developing a product which is not going to get inducted in sufficient numbers.
Selling will not matter when you are out to prove technological capability. The experience will help us in JVs.
You need to start some where. Try to understand the word START. Is it so difficult to understand?
Start researching. Build beter products. Markets will open up. If not in india then outside india.