Arjun-II MBT development l Updates & discussion.

[Omega007]

Arjun vs T90S trials. T90 was given relaxed parameters for all activities, pretty funny stuff.


Im guessing these were the trials back when Arjun beat the T90.. Again, pretty funny stuff.

Funny indeed,and even finnier is how some so called think tank analysts have got their heads into their not so good places.

 

[me_itsme]

What about the RCWS and APS, is anything been selected? Also is the position of the RCWS is gonna be changed to the rear?

 

[Dazzler]

Arjun never beat the t-90. Already discussed what happened in the trials, DRDO needed a face saving and it got one.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Arjun never beat the t-90. Already discussed what happened in the trials, DRDO needed a face saving and it got one.

Can you tell me more?

Because sources have said it actually out performed the T90.

Broadsword: Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90

Now we have proof that it went up against T90s with relaxed parameters.

None of these sources have anything to do with DRDO.

 

[GORKHALI]

Arjun never beat the t-90. Already discussed what happened in the trials, DRDO needed a face saving and it got one.

Problem is you don't know anything about Indian equipments and pronouncement process and yet you comment like naive.My suggestion is go through the pages and see what CAG found.

PS: CAG (Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India) an Independent agency and comes directly under president.

 

[Dazzler]

Can you tell me more?

Because sources have said it actually out performed the T90.

Broadsword: Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90

Now we have proof that it went up against T90s with relaxed parameters.



None of these sources have anything to do with DRDO.

Do some or search atleast. Arjun never outgunned or outrunned t-90. THe problem with you kids is that you are blindfolded with patriotism. Ask Indian army to stop ordering more t-90s and buying way obsolete faulty ammo at 3 times the original price.

 

[Echo_419]

Do some or search atleast. Arjun never outgunned or outrunned t-90. THe problem with you kids is that you are blindfolded with patriotism. Ask Indian army to stop ordering more t-90s and buying way obsolete faulty ammo at 3 times the original price.

The official CAG Report states that Arjun outgunned T-90
You tell me who to beilve a random person on a Pakistani Forum or the Official Auditor of Republic of India
& do answer my question

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Do some or search atleast. Arjun never outgunned or outrunned t-90. THe problem with you kids is that you are blindfolded with patriotism. Ask Indian army to stop ordering more t-90s and buying way obsolete faulty ammo at 3 times the original price.

How about you just post here, instead of accusing others of blind nationalism. Counter the sources, then we have no problem believing you.

An insider got inside confirmation from army brass, that were a part of the trials, that it preformed on par or better than the T90.

Later sources assert that those trials were in favor of the T90 from the beginning, No, this wasnt discussed, this is new information.

None of these sources are from DRDO either.

 

[Dazzler]

You don't need source to prove the evident, just check increasing t-90 orders and decreasing interest in arjun. Again, rationality is something that is beyond you guys as your arguments suggest.

How about you just post here, instead of accusing others of blind nationalism. Counter the sources, then we have no problem believing you.

An insider got inside confirmation from army brass, that were a part of the trials, that it preformed on par or better than the T90.

Later sources assert that those trials were in favor of the T90 from the beginning, No, this wasnt discussed, this is new information.

None of these sources are from DRDO either.

Check previous pages for sources if you are interested "knowing" the reality

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Arjun never beat the t-90. Already discussed what happened in the trials, DRDO needed a face saving and it got one.

Can you even sing some other tune?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Why Dnt you guys check out his posts instead of going "loco".. chest thumping won't change reality ..,

No one is going loco.

These are authentic sources. One point from army brass that were in the trials themselves saying so. Again, this is independent from DRDO.

Recent sources revealed Arjun was handicapped by the army in the trials. Again, this is independent of DRDO, even the army.

None of these are "DRDO save facing".

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No one is going loco.

These are authentic sources from army brass themselves saying so. Again, this is independent from DRDO.

Recent sources revealed Arjun was handicapped in the trials. Again, this is independent of DRDO, even the army.

None of these are "DRDO save facing".

I meant the tech stuff that he posted in the previous pages ?

Also he does raise a valid question ..
if arjun out performs t-90 ... Why keep ordering more t-90s and small orders for Arjun's.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I meant the tech stuff that he posted in the previous pages ?

Also he does raise a valid question ..
if arjun out performs t-90 ... Why keep ordering more t-90s and small orders for Arjun's.

Because the Arjun doesnt make sense in army that already supports 1000+++ T90/72. By the time the mark 1 was finished, T90s were already in numbers and license to produce up to 1500+ was there. I get that.

But the side that said the army never supported the Arjun from the beginning is making sense too.

From changing design parameters over and over again, to this independent evidence of the army basically crippling the Arjun in trials, again why would they even do that?

 

[GORKHALI]

You don't need source to prove the evident, just check increasing t-90 orders and decreasing interest in arjun. Again, rationality is something that is beyond you guys as your arguments suggest.


Check previous pages for sources if you are interested "knowing" the reality

This is classic case of BS again .
Now for better understanding IA orders 248 Arjun tanks and will procure more when things started to get clear and In the mean time they will end up ordering 2 more regiments of Arjun Mk2 and final Nos will be around 498 or something while IA continue to procure large nos of Arjun based artillery ,BLT-70 ,Arjun based tank recovering vehicles etc etc.Coming to T 90S well they will make up the numbers as MOD already released the money for so it will replace early regiments of junk T 72,while Arjun Mk1-2 will replace T 55 and even some regiments of T-72.

On the same context - Till now AL Khalid the most "successful" tank made by Chinese and assembled by Pakistan HIT is approx 500 since 2001 and eventually end up procuring 100 more while they are trying to come up with Al Khalid 2 since 4-5 years.Can we conclude AL khalid as a failure in terms of units produced.

Why Dnt you guys check out his posts instead of going "loco".. chest thumping won't change reality ..,

You justify your 16 negatives ratings too ?

 

[Dazzler]

Because the Arjun doesnt make sense in army that already supports 1000+++ T90/72. By the time the mark 1 was finished, T90s were already in numbers and license to produce up to 1500+ was there. I get that.

But the side that said the army never supported the Arjun from the beginning is making sense too.

From changing design parameters over and over again, to this independent evidence of the army basically crippling the Arjun in trials, again why would they even do that?

This is the test case for you fanboys who know zilch about requirement process. It also shows how clueless you are on weapon induction process. You don't buy an "inferior" weapon system if your industry is producing a "superior" one unless the user likes to discourage the local industry for covert reasons.