Argentina Considering To Purchase 12 JF17C Worth 664Million Dollars

[emotionless_teenage]

Are u talking about India?

Read the reply properly

 

[Tornado23]

To compare both fighters, you give advantage to J 11 by saying that it was an old version with old BVR and electronics which will necessarily improve with time. However, you forgot that Gripen E has also come and it also uses the best electronics and Meteor as BVR. It can shoot down any Chinese plane even before they can see Gripen because of its low RCS, Ultra Modern AESA and Meteor like BVR. It has European Electronics against Chinese electronics which even Pakistan is unwilling to use provided they have any other option.

So far as Tejas is concern, it is not at all expensive looking to Capability it offers. Best EW, Top class AESA, Top class BVR and WVRs. Tejas uses open system architect which allows it to use different origin weapons. We have integrated R 77, I derby, Python V, Astra Mk1, SAAW, Hammer, Spice, Sudarshan, Gauthan, Guruthama etc. Tejas outclass any fighter of its class.

Is that why it has more hours traveling on a flat bed truck than traveling in the air?

 

[diligence]

And that is why JF 17 shies away from air show where Tejas participates.

Thunder shies away from a paper plane like Tejas? What a thinking! I know you are a call-center famed Indian. Is an air show a competing place for planes? Please try to use your tiny brain.

BTW, JF-17s thundered in Indian occupied J&K in Feb 2019 with Tejas nowhere to be seen. Well, gutless Tajas are considered may be a fourth or third rated defence by the IAF. When Thundered visited Indian occupied J&K, IAF's first rated plane (SU-30mki) and second rated one (i.e. M2K) felt it safe to ran away rather than facing Thunders in Indian occupied airspace. A very heavily updated Mig-21 in sheer stupidity tried it all and they then dived to the earth. Even his wingman found it safe to go cold (meaning showed his back and ran away).

 

[serenity]

JF-17 "shies away" from airshows Tejas participates in the same way Tejas "shies away" from JF-17 in airshows where JF-17 participate and Tejas does not. In the same way F-22 shies away from J-16 in airshows J-16 participates in. It's fucking only Indian "logic" that enables such stupidity.

In other aspects, Tejas' piece of absolute street shit of a AESA called uttam is still not in service and it's Indians pathetically empty and bad (nobody not a single soul wants) electronics industry which has NOTHING on even Thailand let along China lol! And this uttam is claimed by defective Jai Hindies as automatically the best despite being unproven, unready, not in service, and weak weak as Indian street shit. But claimed by bhakts as the best already. Riiiiiiiiiiiight okay sure bhakti boy.

As for J-11 vs Gripen E LOL as we modified J-11 series... well Gripen E is 2010s readiness fighter and developed in 2000s. J-11B is 2000s readiness developed in 1990s. Still 10 years older than Gripen E. J-11 series is our weakest 4th generation in service fighter. We have J-16 which kicks Gripen E's *** from front to end and fucks up the next Gripen after it. You can have Gripen X and PLAAF will tear those chicks apart. They can try it if they don't think so. Let's let Gripen try even take on some Migs for now and it hasn't even been able to do that. J-16 is still also by itself nothing compared to J-20 + J-16D + Y-8 and Y-9 + KJ-500 + KJ-200 + KJ-2000 + UCAVs. That's PLAAF you can throw your piece of street shit Tejas in their thousands at this force and it'll be like throwing rotten eggs against a mountain. Come at us if you want to and we'll gladly **** you a new asshole just for Jai India. As for comparing, why not just look at your exports then if you don't want to talk about actually proving in war which isn't happening. The best you can do is look at the fact that nobody has wanted Tejas or bought a single piece. It's about as attractive as street shit no matter how much a bhakt claims it is wanted to this country or that.

Gripen is shite. Thai training in leaked briefings show Gripen C got fucked beyond comprehension by even J-10A. J-10A managed to tear Gripen Cs whichever way and every way. J-11B fucked Gripen after that. You want to take the J-11A being defeated by Gripen C in BVR well the same sources also said J-11B and J-10A fucked Gripen in both BVR and WVR.

Gripen is not F-16 of same generation.

Gripen C would beat F-16A in BVR too. Have you thought about that? So what though? F-16 is miles better than Gripen of same generation. Just like J-16 is miles better than Gripen E in BVR and J-16 is older than Gripen E.

Right now, J-16 is already can be considered old for PLAAF. J-16 is now shifting towards electronic war aircraft with specialized roles no longer as a heavy weight fighter. The range and energy advantage of flanker being used for electronic warfare only with certain air to air and air to ground special purpose tasks to have an offensive aspect to EW main role. PLAAF is at UCAV swarm and J-20S directed UCAV swarm level. Smaller drones for swarm is another easy thing. They'll show and reveal this level when they are already on the next generation. Meanwhile India is struggling to even make MK1A and still wetdreaming about MK2 junk Tejas.

 

[khansaheeb]

Dude in front of EF-2000/F-35B block3 is nothing

Well Pakistan better make it something then.

 

[MastanKhan]

To compare both fighters, you give advantage to J 11 by saying that it was an old version with old BVR and electronics which will necessarily improve with time. However, you forgot that Gripen E has also come and it also uses the best electronics and Meteor as BVR. It can shoot down any Chinese plane even before they can see Gripen because of its low RCS, Ultra Modern AESA and Meteor like BVR. It has European Electronics against Chinese electronics which even Pakistan is unwilling to use provided they have any other option.

So far as Tejas is concern, it is not at all expensive looking to Capability it offers. Best EW, Top class AESA, Top class BVR and WVRs. Tejas uses open system architect which allows it to use different origin weapons. We have integrated R 77, I derby, Python V, Astra Mk1, SAAW, Hammer, Spice, Sudarshan, Gauthan, Guruthama etc. Tejas outclass any fighter of its class.

Hi,

The aesa on the J-11 or similar chinese aircraft would be almost twice the size of aesa in the Gripen.

Gripen has shown the world how to install tier 1 EW package in an average to good aircraft and make it very very potent---.

Others have had the time---and have progressed in leaps and bounds to develop their machines---.

 

[Ajamal]

Hi,

The aesa on the J-11 or similar chinese aircraft would be almost twice the size of aesa in the Gripen.

Gripen has shown the world how to install tier 1 EW package in an average to good aircraft and make it very very potent---.

Others have had the time---and have progressed in leaps and bounds top develop their machines---.

Tell me one thing Mastan bhai,

Whether Chinese AESA is air cooled or liquid cooled? Once you answer this, we can discuss more about the topic.

 

[MastanKhan]

Tell me one thing Mastan bhai,

Whether Chinese AESA is air cooled or liquid cooled? Once you answer this, we can discuss more about the topic.

Hi,

Both versions are available.

 

[Sinnerman108]

And that is why JF 17 shies away from air show where Tejas participates.

Obviously,
we neither consume coconut oil,
nor are our noses immune to the jetwash that indians are notorious for.

 

[aviator_fan]

And that is why JF 17 shies away from air show where Tejas participates.

Seems like your IQ is about the same as HAL and your PM: JF17 has been to Farnborough and Dubai Air Show multiple times. Your IAF has put Tejas ONCE at a loser second tier airshow in Bahrain and it flew and equally loser (and deserved) sunset slot when nobody was there.

Thats to be expected when IAF is forced down a plane and it has now choice that its first few squadrons were in southern and central India vs. replace the Mig-21s on the border.

 

[Ajamal]

Seems like your IQ is about the same as HAL and your PM: JF17 has been to Farnborough and Dubai Air Show multiple times. Your IAF has put Tejas ONCE at a loser second tier airshow in Bahrain and it flew and equally loser (and deserved) sunset slot when nobody was there.

Thats to be expected when IAF is forced down a plane and it has now choice that its first few squadrons were in southern and central India vs. replace the Mig-21s on the border.

You guys had booked a slot for JF 17 for half a million USD for Demo in that second tire air show which you have to cancel upon knowing that Tejas is also going to participate.

Hi,

Both versions are available.

Please provide the link of Liquid cool version. SO far as I know, KLJ 7 is an air cooled AESA which itself is an indicator of less powerful Radar which consumes lower electricity and doesn't heat too much because of that.

 

[Beast]

Please provide the link of Liquid cool version. SO far as I know, KLJ 7 is an air cooled AESA which itself is an indicator of less powerful Radar which consumes lower electricity and doesn't heat too much because of that.

Consume a lot of electricity means more powerful? I guess if Xiaomi Redmi consume more electricity and power than iphone 14 mean it's a higher end smartphone? Lol

 

[serenity]

Consume a lot of electricity means more powerful? I guess if Xiaomi Redmi consume more electricity and power than iphone 14 mean it's a higher end smartphone? Lol

you're talking to the guy who says Tejas participated in an airshow the JF-17 didn't perform in therefore JF-17 is scared of Tejas. Coconut blessings is the height of the guy's intellectual capabilities. Gotta give him a break with the cooling topic. Thermodynamics is FAR beyond the understanding of a simple street shit.

As for JF-17 block 3's AESA radar, do we even know which one the PAF ended up selecting? There was the Italian AESA choice, the air cooled choice and a liquid cooled one. Indeed the JF-17 has to use a smaller less powerful AESA due to cooling requirements and available power from auxiliary units but the Tejas also uses a tiny low power AESA. The difference is the Tejas uttam is an Indian first attempt at AESA. Not even IAF is using it that's how shit it is.

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[Ajamal]

Consume a lot of electricity means more powerful? I guess if Xiaomi Redmi consume more electricity and power than iphone 14 mean it's a higher end smartphone? Lol

You are very correct. If Chinese AESA consumes more electricity, yet it will be less powerful than European, Israeli or US radar. Here it consumes less electricity. In addition, it is a Chinese Radar. So we can guess the tracking range of Chinese Radar.

 

[Ajamal]

Absolutely BS from you. No wonder India can't even land a rover on moon. While China already land a rover on Mars.

I Congratulate China for being third nation after India and UAE to reach Mars after failure in 2011.