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He is absolutely incorrect and misled in stating that..
Unfortunately such are the consequences of reading information about your religion from newly crowned "scholars" and not bothering to try anything yourself.
The result of this purely copy paste or youtube based religious learning is the same that you get when you use plagiarism to get through your studies.

The Quran, Hadiath and Sunnah of the prophet CANNOT be independent of each other in interpretation.. and the latter cannot conflict with each other.
sadly.. most spend their times reading from mis-represented translations of Scriptures (separately).. read selective events of the prophets life(separately) and end up with jumbled view that do not connect.

The Quran is a manual whose practical demonstration was the life of the prophet.
Trying to go about either without the other leads to such confusion.

Now on the nature of the beard..
The prophet had been clean shaven, kept long hair, put the best musk on.. as the times were.
That did not mean he wore the proverbial Dolce & gabbana of his times.. but he did not show up when invited looking haggard or smelling bad.
One keeps a beard because the prophet kept one, which he did to differentiate himself from the Pagans.. and because his uncles also kept one. His closest companions started keeping them as they loved their Prophet and wanted to emulate him in every way possible. After all.. dont people follow their TV and Movie idols of today?
There is no concrete, verifiable fact authenticated by BOTH the Quran and hadiath that the beard is a must.
If the beard was a sure shot sign of supplication to god.. then many a Sikh is surely going to heaven just by that accord.


The issue of turning up your ankles.. this was first propagated as the rich of those days would let their robes flow and usually have a servant picking it up at the end to display their superiority( as happen in many royal weddings for tradition today).
The prophet forbade it initially for that reason..
Now for the practical side of it.. as I refuse to believe that the prophet would order anything against the Quran or Impractical.
An upturned garment will also not snag on the ankles during prostration in prayer. THis is not a sure shot rule but its better to be safe rather than trip and fall during prayer.. possibly into someone else.


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I suggest reading about the prophet's life before trying to associate practices with him.
Martin ling has done a good job of using the closest and earliest sources to recreate the Prohpet's life.
He also lays to rest the myth that the Prophet ordered(Heaven forbid.. To associate such accusation with the person meant to be mercy for all mankind) the death of people at Makkah or anywhere else.

However, if one has been misled ..blinded to all but a selective spectrum.. then there is not much one can state to prove otherwise. Just like people who are color blind.. one cannot convince them that there is actually a color blue.
Sir first of all beared is order of ALLAH and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW ordered Muslims to grow beards and cut their moustaches and as far as keep you cloth above toe is concerned one Sahabi asked HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW that I don't keep it lower because of PRIDE so HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said follow the example and beard size is concerned HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said let it grow and don't cut it
 
Can you please quote the source in the Koran of this order from Allah?
MR ALLAH has said follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and beard is ordered by HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and in ayat of Quran ALLAH says HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW doesn't speak from himself what every he says is from ALLAH
 
12 Rabi ul Awal, is not that actual birth date of Muhammad SAW but it is confirmed that this is (12 RA) the date of Muhammad SAW's Death.There is a conflict in actual BD of Muhammad SAW, some book say its 9 and some say it is 12.

Besides, Muhammad SAW himself or nor his companions RA never celebrated his or their birth days. Its a Christian tradition as they Celebrate Eesa Ibn-E-Mariam AS birthday. Its a Biddah(innovation) in Islam. Muslims who were impressed by Christians, how they celebrate their prophets birthday, started celebrating Muhammad SAW birthday too.
Once Muhammad SAW said to his companions that Fast on Mondays because i was born that day (Muslim & Bukhari), is an authentic saying of Muhammad SAW regarding his birthday. So if you really love Muhammad SAW Fast on Mondays and do not celebrate in innovative style because Muslim is who that follows Quran and Sunnah and does not adopt any other way.

Jazakalah,

However.. praise for the prophet is not Biddah(where it does not cross the lines of decency and what is forbidden in interpretative religion). Naat, and other forms of praise for the prophet have been around since the earliest days of Islam.
As to why the Prophet's birthday is "celebrated" is for association, since we should then also not have any celebration or remembrance of 14th August, 23rd March, 6th Sep.. or any of the like.
After all.. why not have Pakistani flags fluttering throughout the year and national anthems all day?
It is a way to associate ourselves with our identity as Pakistani's.
We are Muslims and our Prophet is Mohammad Ibn Abdullah Ibn Shaybah(also known as Abd-al-Muttalib) S.A.W.
Unfortunately.. we have lost our claim of following the middle road.. and either shun the prophet entirely by degrading him to a common man as those "scholars" following the Najdi school do.. or praise him inappropriately as those mentioned by the thread Starter do. Both have severe consequences.. the former is partially responsible for the loss of unity in the Muslim world(amongst other damages) and the latter leads to Biddah.

It is always better to take a single teacher when trying to investigate religion.. but one must choose wisely.. as the empty mind is vulnerable to being inspired by all sorts of Bigots and Hizbs..false and shallow ideologies masquerading as "pure" or "revolutionary. Like all diciplines.. one must be careful.. and sometimes fortunate to look for the proverbial MIT and hope that one has found the Massachusetts Institute of technology and not Mughalpura Institute of Telecommuncations.
When one spends so much time investigating universities, their programs.. their reputations.. and their peer reviews.. and their alumni
it would be sin not to do the same when on a quest to learn about religion.
 
MR ALLAH has said follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and beard is ordered by HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and in ayat of Quran ALLAH says HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW doesn't speak from himself what every he says is from ALLAH

So it is NOT an order from Allah, but a Sunnah only?
 
So it is NOT an order from Allah, but a Sunnah only?
for Muslims Sunnah is must to follow Sir because ALLAH has told us to follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and than ALLAH will love Muslims

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However.. praise for the prophet is not Biddah(where it does not cross the lines of decency and what is forbidden in interpretative religion). Naat, and other forms of praise for the prophet have been around since the earliest days of Islam.
As to why the Prophet's birthday is "celebrated" is for association, since we should then also not have any celebration or remembrance of 14th August, 23rd March, 6th Sep.. or any of the like.
After all.. why not have Pakistani flags fluttering throughout the year and national anthems all day?
It is a way to associate ourselves with our identity as Pakistani's.
We are Muslims and our Prophet is Mohammad Ibn Abdullah Ibn Shaybah(also known as Abd-al-Muttalib) S.A.W.
Unfortunately.. we have lost our claim of following the middle road.. and either shun the prophet entirely by degrading him to a common man as those "scholars" following the Najdi school do.. or praise him inappropriately as those mentioned by the thread Starter do. Both have severe consequences.. the former is partially responsible for the loss of unity in the Muslim world(amongst other damages) and the latter leads to Biddah.

It is always better to take a single teacher when trying to investigate religion.. but one must choose wisely.. as the empty mind is vulnerable to being inspired by all sorts of Bigots and Hizbs..false and shallow ideologies masquerading as "pure" or "revolutionary. Like all diciplines.. one must be careful.. and sometimes fortunate to look for the proverbial MIT and hope that one has found the Massachusetts Institute of technology and not Mughalpura Institute of Telecommuncations.
When one spends so much time investigating universities, their programs.. their reputations.. and their peer reviews.. and their alumni
it would be sin not to do the same when on a quest to learn about religion.
Sir those who you are calling never call him a common man in fact they say what he has told us follow his orders and what ever is not proved from him or his companions is bidah that is they are against Milad
 
for Muslims Sunnah is must to follow Sir because ALLAH has told us to follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and than ALLAH will love Muslims

So your claim that keeping a beard is an order from Allah was wrong.

BTW, Allah loves all His creations equally.
 
MR ALLAH has said follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and beard is ordered by HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and in ayat of Quran ALLAH says HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW doesn't speak from himself what every he says is from ALLAH

The most authentic verifiable hadiath that is common to all three major books on the prophet is where the prophet stated that the mustache should be trimmed and the beard allowed to grow so that one does not look like the pagans.

The other hadiath are reported differently in every book and therefore cannot be taken as in context or directed.

What if the prophet had asked (an-aouozubillah) somebody to cut their arm off after it had become septic due to a cut.
Would all Muslims cut their arms off today in the same manner even with modern medicine just because the prophet had stated it during a certain situation at that time?

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for Muslims Sunnah is must to follow Sir because ALLAH has told us to follow HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and than ALLAH will love Muslims

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Sir those who you are calling never call him a common man in fact they say what he has told us follow his orders and what ever is not proved from him or his companions is bidah that is they are against Milad

Who proved it.. and how?
What sources?
What methods?
Did you verify? Did you try it yourself? Did you try their approach?
Or are you just accepting them just because they said so?
 
So your claim that keeping a beard is an order from Allah was wrong.

BTW, Allah loves all His creations equally.

But.. man is his favorite. his greatest achievement.
And it is man the he loves the most.. and while he may be angry with some men .. this does not take his love for them away.
A good mother(98%) too loves her child..but is not afraid to punish them for being bad.. yet will still worry about whether the child is fed or not even when they are grounded.
After all, 70 times the love a mother has for her child is a LOT.
How this applies to all humanity.. those born rich and those born poor..those born well and those not so..
is a drawn out debate.. that I would be more comfortable having face to face.
 
But.. man is his favorite. his greatest achievement.
And it is man the he loves the most.. and while he may be angry with some men .. this does not take his love for them away.
A good mother(98%) too loves her child..but is not afraid to punish them for being bad.. yet will still worry about whether the child is fed or not even when they are grounded.
After all, 70 times the love a mother has for her child is a LOT.
How this applies to all humanity.. those born rich and those born poor..those born well and those not so..
is a drawn out debate.. that I would be more comfortable having face to face.

I look forward to that discussion then! :)
 
The keeping of the beard is one of those things that are preferable but not obligatory. It is preferred you do not shave, but it's not "haram" to shave. Your not gonna go to hell for not keeping a beard...lol

But I do think that some people take it over the top with the celebrations, with all the decorations etc. We're already short on energy in Pak..
 
Sir first of all beared is order of ALLAH and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW ordered Muslims to grow beards and cut their moustaches and as far as keep you cloth above toe is concerned one Sahabi asked HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW that I don't keep it lower because of PRIDE so HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said follow the example and beard size is concerned HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW said let it grow and don't cut it

You are repeating it like a stuck tape recorder habibi.
I am asking for scholarly proof and methodology for that proof?
After all.. maybe the earth is flat.. how do you know it is round?
 
I think Mosque is one of the important institution for Muslims to Conducting their celebration inside and keep facilities for peoples as can as possible..
Similarly the loss of electricity and hiring the electricity on illegal ways such as theft for Religious event is ban in Islam...
i think we should must keep the event in any kind which is not effecting directly to other peoples in society....

Happy Eid Melad Nabwi (SAW) to all....
 
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