Arabs not Indian

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan should take a more assertive stand with Arab countries. As far as Bahrain goes, might as well annex it many of the Bahraini security forces are Pakistanis, law enforcement and army. Bahraini oil revenue can be used to revitalize the Pakistani economy. Bahraini Arab Shias can be tamed, install a puppet Bahraini Arab Shia PM alongside a Pakistani origin President for Bahrain.

Make Bahrain a colony that it deserves to be. It will give Bahrain and Pakistan a better future. Pakistani Shias can go live there helping to bolster Bahraini Arab Shia trust with Pakistan as a both Sunni and Shia protector.

 

[A1Kaid]

That's called strategy, that's called moving forward, expanding our greatness.

 

[A1Kaid]

If Pakistan isn't going to annex it at this time then we can impose...

The Pakistani Protectorate of Bahrain.

With President Musharraf face on the new currency... Ok not really.

 

[T-Faz]

TFaz

When educated and reasonable, sane ideas are propagated in public, just like vile and hateful ideas, they become contagious -- recall on one of Rabzon's threads, there is a piece about the role of the media and how Pakistani media perpetguate vile and hateful ideas by giving those ideas a venue to be dessiminated -- VCheng was persuaded by lack of education, lack of social mobility as drivers of radicalism, and we pointed out that neither Bin Laden nor Al-Zawahiri are poor and that in fact Al-Qaida's core are from the best familes, ben to best schools, etc, etc -- consider that we have an echo of the conversation in TT, here - most interesting.

Just as being poor and uneducated does not mean being persuaded by hateful and vile ideas, it's not Education alone that can/will lead to a tolerant Pakistan, it starts by limiting the dissemination of hateful and vile ideas in Pakistani society -- it means taking a stand, "growing a pair" as some one has said -this is who we are and this is what we stand for and THIS IS WHAT WE OPPOSE!

This education I refer to also points to the dissemination of morality, humanity and tolerance through all the channels of public engagement and information dispersal. A lot of this intolerance and Arabic worshiping occurred in our society because our media and other public information tools were used to change the public mentality.

Look at the way Zia used the media to control and change the public opinion. Education is restricted, I agree but the core problem with the uneducated is that they are more likely to believe the educated as its the educated who will develop our core ideology.

So I agree with your statement full and well but the next step in cleansing the society of intolerance, hate and violence would be to educate them so they can take the stand that they haven't taken yet.

 

[Truth Teller]

What i hate about this article is how the writer tries to make Pakistanis feel like india is not the enemy,but arabs are the enemy.

arabs are racist towards pakistanis,but india is the biggest enemy and worst wisher of pakistan.

i mean arabs dont want to destroy pakistan.arabs dont lie to the world,and try to claim pakistan's history as their own.arabs dont behave like pakistan is their property.arabs dont try to deny pakistanis our identity.


Pakistan Always Come First.

 

[T-Faz]

its more than education though, its not a magic formula to all ill's.

we may end up being liberal, educated but still corrupt, look at some of our politicians.

there are factors like mentality, values and morals which can also set us aside us being truly on the path to progression!!

Refer to my post above to be more clear on what I meant by education.

I do agree that education is not enough, its only one step to insure that the same mistakes are not made again where the society is permeable by outside influence or state propaganda that was used in Pakistan to change a tolerant nation into a violent intolerant one.

Corruption occurs because the educated corrupt know that the uneducated cannot compete with them and thus they are able to get away with their vices.

The spread of good values must be dispersed through public information channels and the truth must be told to make people aware of the realities.

The time to change our national discourse back to its original concept can be done by the state and to insure constant progress, education is key.

 

[muse]

What i hate about this article is how the writer tries to make Pakistanis feel like india is not the enemy,but arabs are the enemy

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That's an interesting idea - can you elaborate on that.

 

[Vinod2070]

What i hate about this article is how the writer tries to make Pakistanis feel like india is not the enemy,but arabs are the enemy.

arabs are racist towards pakistanis,but india is the biggest enemy and worst wisher of pakistan.

i mean arabs dont want to destroy pakistan.arabs dont lie to the world,and try to claim pakistan's history as their own.arabs dont behave like pakistan is their property.arabs dont try to deny pakistanis our identity.


Pakistan Always Come First.

A lot of the negatives that you mention about India are nothing more than perceptions. Words like "biggest enemy and worst wisher", "try to claim pakistan's history as their own" have no real basis.

You can go and claim your history if you chose not to call it Jahiliyah as some of you have belatedly started doing.

This "enmity" can take care of itself if we all just accept that the borders are not going to change now and India is not going anywhere and nor is Pakistan. We have even recently seen after 2004 that tempers can cool down really quickly if there is a political détente.

The "worst wisher" part! Wishes are irrelevant. I don't care what you wish for me as long as you are not doing anything actively to harm me. I have no way of really knowing anyone's wishes and it doesn't matter to me.

 

[Truth Teller]

Pakistanis are heirs of all this rich,beautiuful History which has been stolen from us by indians and pan islamists.

Indus Valley Civilisation,Vedic Civilisation,The world's oldest univeristy Takshashila,(these are just a few examples of pakistani history stolen and hijacked by others). The reason indians are be able to claim this history is because of pakistanis ignorance to their history and roots.

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistanis are heirs of all this rich,beautiuful History which has been stolen from us by indians and pan islamists.

Indus Valley Civilisation,Vedic Civilisation,The world's oldest univeristy Takshashila,(these are just a few examples of pakistani history stolen and hijacked by others). The reason indians are be able to claim this history is because of pakistanis ignorance to their history and roots.

No one has stolen anything. You are free to claim that history, just like the Persians are claiming their own heritage.

No one took it away from you, it was you who started calling in Jahiliyah and some of you are now realizing the absurdity of that.

Most of you still want that history for the wrong reasons though. That will change with time.

 

[muse]

I say we go ahead and steal them right back!

 

[Mech]

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That's an interesting idea - can you elaborate on that.

This sort of cemented preception is exactly what hampers the peace process. This is prevalent in both india and pakistan. Our refusal to see through this veil of insecurity defeats the whole purpose of any peace dialogue. Tell me, wasn't pakistan a nation of forward thinking individuals back in the seventies? Wasn't pakistan at the forefront of technological advancements among the islamic states during this period? It was indian and pakistani citizens who were the primary educators in the arab states. We have a lot more in common than what the world would have us believe.

 

[Truth Teller]

I say we go ahead and steal them right back!

we would not be stealing though,we would be taking back what is righfully ours from shameless thiefs.

 

[T-Faz]

Like Sir Feroz Khan Noon said before the creation of Pakistan to a cheering crowd:

If they (British and the Indians) don't give it to is (Pakistan), we will take it from them.

This is the kind of attitude and temperament we should use when dealing with these people.

We had such great people in our nation who would roar back when required but unfortunately we have donkeys leading us for some time now.

 

[Vinod2070]

I will actually be glad if you "steal" that history.

There will be interesting consequences. May your tribe increase.