Arab journalist asks Imran Khan "If he would use nuclear weapons against Israel if it attacked its neighbors", watch his response

[_NOBODY_]

I think balance as a bare minimum. Our laws should be Islamically influenced even if not entirely accurate.

I'm not saying go full Taliban mode of course


You have 3 alt accounts which you even use to talk to yourself and support your own arguments lmao

Hop off and seek medical help

The problem with what you are saying is that this leads to the state using religion for its own selfish interests. It has happened so many times throughout history. Look at how the church used to commit atrocities in Christendom by using religion as a tool for its own selfish and evil motives, look at how Zia used religion as a tool to oppress and manipulate people and look at how the Iranian regime is using religion as a tool to oppress people. I only advocate for secularism to avoid this sh*t.

 

[Maira La]

I have lived in KSA for 15 years and I believe that I can explain their thought process regarding this. They only respect strong and educated people, they will respect them even if they hate them. Way back in the day, Saudis used to respect Pakistanis almost as much as they respected Americans and Europeans. This was due to the fact that Pakistanis were doing almost all the skilled jobs in KSA. However, when unskilled Pakistani labour started going to Saudi Arabia in mass then the perception regarding Pakistanis started to change and eventually we lost their respect.

The reason why Bengalis receive even less respect than Pakistanis and Indians is because there are hardly any Bangalis doing skilled jobs in KSA unlike Pakistanis and Indians. You will find a huge number of Pakistani and Indian doctors, engineers, accountants and professors but you will hardly find a Bangali working in these professions. This makes Bangalis look like uneducated and good-for-nothing people in the eyes of Saudis. I am sorry if my post offends any Bangalis but this is how things are over there.

Yeah the kind of manpower we export generates a stereotype. And the stereotype influences how the people of host country behave.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Yeah the kind of manpower we export generates a stereotype. And the stereotype influences how the people of host country behave.

Exactly, look at the way Pakistanis and Indians are perceived in the US, both are perceived as smart, educated and hard-working people. It's very hard for Pakistanis to immigrate to the US, we either have to be highly educated and skilled or rich.

 

[Azadkashmir]

You're not in a position to do dumb shit like this, it serves us no interest when politically we are allies

how much dumb shit your rulers, have done to damage sacred pakistan.
e.g war on terror, killing arshad, selling off civilians to gitmo, regime changing imran, east pakistan split, imf slave debt.

arabs are your allies becuase you have strong military otherwise arabs with usa would fund isis regime change like libya.

 

[Azadkashmir]

I don't believe Muslims can unite, nor would I want to unite with such corrupt peoples. It's hard enough unifying Pakistanis.

Mutual beneficiary co-operation amongst Muslim countries is great, but I find their cultures too narcissistic and corrupt that I could not see myself allying with them. I feel much friendlier with China.

i agree mutual beneficiary cooperation.

usury has to be banned watever system we choose

 

[aziqbal]

Love Al-Aqsa everyday? Such things are for pagans, not Muslims. Islam does not endorse the worship of material objects and has no need for such things.

I really dont have time to reply to all the Hindu Zionist lovers and especially non-muslims like you

we dont worship the actual mosque you idiot its a place where to congregate to pray, unlike Hindu who actually pray to clay objects which they make themselves

you and other Zionist loving dogs only deserve to be treated this way by me so dont expect any sympathy from me

Bla bla and Bla bla is all you have to say, Lol. Loser.

Funnily enough, your country sold its females long before I was even born. A low-life lawyer knew it in the States. Your family probably sold theirs; hence you know so much about selling females. Lol

But tell us what was your family's cost to get its Kursi Nasheen Certificate to sit in front of a British Indian official?

Hindu Zionist worshipper dressed as a fake Pakistani is telling me about TTA badge ? I know you have ben crying for the TTA badge for years but dont touch things you cant afford

you claimed to take other peoples TTA badge and yet you dont have one yourself

go shot some poor unarmed Palestinian kids you terrorist

 

[TheSolution]

how much dumb shit your rulers, have done to damage sacred pakistan.
e.g war on terror, killing arshad, selling off civilians to gitmo, regime changing imran, east pakistan split, imf slave debt.

arabs are your allies becuase you have strong military otherwise arabs with usa would fund isis regime change like libya.

Feelings don't matter in geopolitics, if you have value then you will continue to be allies based on that.

Secondly just because you've made other bad decisions before doesn't mean you go full retard and start a proxy war that serves you zero purpose and instead damages ties

Islamic nationalism doesn't work because who's Islam are we talking about here? Due to this, I have now become an advocate of secularism and I say this as a practising Muslim.

Secularism is a road leading to degeneracy and leaves your society open to infiltration.

Also it's not hard making one type of Islam as mainstream tbh.

 

[LeGenD]

@Beny Karachun @lastofthepatriots @Dalit

I time stamped the video in two segments:

Initial question and answer:

Follow up at 23:01 the main journalist asks "if he would use nukes [on Israel]", his response was this:

These Arabs are a puzzling bunch.

Imran Khan dodged a bullet there.

The people in this thread don’t understand.
This isn’t just simple Arab-Israel war.

Our issue is related to Al Aqsa, the third holiest site in Islam. The Zionists believe Al Aqsa compound is where their third temple is. The Zionist have always wanted to destroy Al Aqsa and build their third temple in the place.
Our issue is with Zionist whose flag is testament to their devilish goals of trying to recreate their empire from Nike to Euphrates River. Our issue is with Zionist who have their eyes set on not just Al Aqsa but also Makkah and Madinah. The Quran has told us who will be our allies and who aren’t.
Zionists are religiously motivated in their war against us. Herzl the founder of Zionism had chances to create a Jewish homeland in USA or Argentina but they choose Palestine because they were religiously motivated.

For Al Aqsa the whole world can be burned!

And for people thinking I’m irrational, if you can’t protect the third holiest site in Islam then SHAME ON YOUR EXISTENCE.

Like our troops in Saudi Arabia in Medinah, our purpose is protecting the holy sites in Islam not being slave to Arab governments. Our purpose is defending Islamic holy sites.

Pakistan is just another state like many in history that come and go. If with nukes we remain silent when Zionists attack Al Aqsa and attempt to build their third temple then Shame on us and we deserve the harsh punishment we will get afterwards.

Let’s learn from history. Had Muslims put their issues aside and united against Mongols then maybe Baghdad could have been saved. But they were acting like we are right now saying “it’s not our issue”. We have seen many examples of Romans defeating smaller Muslim empires and taking Muslim lands because we were too busy saying it’s not our issue. Zionist Israel is religiously motivated and will always see Islam as their enemy. Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it might be Saudi but day after it will be us. Don’t think we will be spared! And you can make the excuse “we will nuke them” but have fun fighting the world on your own (india + nato +Israel). Even for defeating the Mongols Sultan Baibars and Sultan Qutuz had to put their differences aside and unite against them and the result was they became victorious. You enemy wants to divide and conquer you and they achieve this with the stooges they carefully placed among you that are in power. Just imagine when Mongols first attacked Khwarazmian Empire, Muslim empires had united to defeat them. Instead Muslims said it wasn’t their issue and some even sided with mongols only for mongols to level Baghdad and massacre Muslims. Wake up Muslims! Your enemy wants to divide and conquer you. Zionist don’t see arab or Pakistani. They see Muslim or not.

For Islam we can fight the whole world and burn the whole world.

I am conservative but I am fine with Jews having a homeland and allowed to practice their religion freely in it.

Jews have a lengthy history in Palestinian lands. Kingdom of Israel existed in these lands for a long period of time. They will never give up on these lands due to obvious reasons.

The holy site labelled Masjid al-Aqsa predates Islam and was valuable to all believers including Muslims but Allah Almighty instructed Holy Prophet (PBUH) to shift qibla to the other holy site labelled Ka'bah (Kaaba) in Mecca in 624 CE. This shift happened after Safar-e-Meraj but before the Battle of Badr.

Change of the Qibla - wikishia

en.wikishia.net

This shift was a test of faith. It was supposed to teach Muslims to attach more importance to spirituality and belief in Allah Almighty than to any holy site in materialistic sense.

This shift was also a compensation to Muslims in the sense that there is another holy site to gravitate towards for spiritual reasons and nobody has claims on it. This shift could also help reduce conflict between Muslims, Jews and Christians on religious grounds by extension.

But how many got the memo, honestly?

I recall a hadith that suggest that Hajj will stop at some point. Exact cause is not identified and neither it is pointed that this would be temporary or permanent, but this world is NOT (our) permanent abode and some matters are best left to Allah Almighty.

Islamic history is well-preserved in the lands that are already in our hands, lands that are already vast and blessed with numerous natural resources. Islamic spirituality cannot be harmed unless WE grow out of touch with teachings of Allah Almighty that are preserved in the Holy Quran, and become greedy.

Emergence of modern Israel and loss of Jerusalem to it in spite of the plot to rollback Israel, serve to remind all Muslims about wisdom in teachings of Allah Almighty and that WE cannot have our way in this world on permanent basis. This is how it is for all sides in this world.

WE should learn HOW to co-exist with others through the ever-changing times and push for workable solutions.

In regards to the ongoing Palestine - Israel conflict, ONE STATE SOLUTION should be on the cards.

Israel-Palestine: Can a one-state solution work?

Poll finds a third of Palestinians support the idea.

www.aljazeera.com

And UNESCO can be pushed to declare Masjid Al-Aqsa a World Heritage Site.

Jews might want to build Third Temple on religious grounds but this can be done with accommodating the Dome of Rock as noted in following link:

Can Third Temple be built without destroying Dome of the Rock?

New Jewish interfaith initiative hopes to show that Jews' end-of-days vision could harmoniously accommodate Islam's present architectural hegemony on the Temple Mount.

m.jpost.com

Pakistan can push for the above while recognizing Israel. This will help Pakistan's international image manifold and pave way for new economic avenues. Israel can provide both technologies and trade to Pakistan like it does for others.

Arabs are warming up to Israel but WE are are supposed to be more Arabs then them?

Pakistan needs to concentrate on HOW to put its own house in order which it FAILS to do on a consistent basis. Pakistani Public is massive and have needs of its own. Pakistan cannot continue like a corrupt dysfunctional state like it is in the present for indefinite period.

Many Pakistani tend to think about collective good for the pan-Islamic bloc but do others have our best interests in their hearts and minds? How many sought to liberate Kashmir for example?

So choose your path wisely.

Now for the record:

Saudi Arabia's GDP grows 8.8% year-on-year in third quarter, statistics authority says

Saudi Arabia's economy grew by 8.8% in the third quarter of 2022 compared to the same period a year earlier, mainly due to a sharp increase in oil-related activity, according to official estimates released on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

Saudi Arabia Exports

Exports in Saudi Arabia increased to 94517 SAR Million in July from 88783 SAR Million in June of 2024. This page provides - Saudi Arabia Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

Saudi Arabia's exports surge to $146.32bln

Eng. Al-Suwailem noted that the ministry aims to increase the industrial establishments from 10,000 to 32,000 establishments by 2035

www.zawya.com

So where WE stand in comparison?

WE are continously undermined by people who lack in understanding of virtually anything and mentally frozen in time.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Regardless of who said what, if nuke ever landed on any Muslim country, public pressure alone will force the policy makes to make some tough decisions. Covertly or overtly, there will be a payback. Having said they, I don’t think it’s applies to Israel, because it’s way too small and conventional weapons are more than enough.


Jordan King got it right. Ultimately streets will dictate the policy.

No one will nuke Israel because if you really love the Palestinians and believe Al Aqsa is a holy place, no Islamic nation will nuke us. Radiation will easily get to there, and Israel would probably go apeshit and nuke everything. Also Israel is working to be the first country that's protected from nuclear weapons.

Conventional weapons? No chance against Israel.

Jordanian king? He should focus on his crumbling state. Also, he's not really deluded enough to think Jordan has even a remote chance against Israel, otherwise the Balfour declaration map will become reality

 

[JohnyD]

Pak's vision, mission and reach has been contained to India centric due to over importance given to Kashmir..i dont think it will take any major military stand on global affair sans India

 

[Beny Karachun]

In regards to the ongoing Palestine - Israel conflict, ONE STATE SOLUTION should be on the cards.

There are talks here to take apart the Palestinian Authority and give autonomy to Palestinian cities, some sort of "emirates" that will be controlled by the leading local families, as Arabs call it "Hamolot". Those families always keep away Jihadists and Palestinian Authority's reputation in the West Bank is in the trash anyways, it's a corrupt organization that is acting as a big monopoly on the economy and on violence.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan should of course support the Palestinian cause just as other Muslim countries should support Kashmir. Anything else is simply division pandering and getting caught up in shortsighted national or petty interests. Pakistan for decades has supported Azerbaijan on Nagorno-Karabakh, Turkiye in Northern Cyprus, and Bosnia/Kosovo on their territorial claims as well. The result has been stronger partnerships with these countries and more international clout.

Some of you posted a photo of Mahmoud Abbas meeting with India's leader to convey Palestinian's supporting India, nothing could be further from the truth. MA is viewed by Palestinians as Pakistanis view Zardari, he is a weak leader in a bad position and has little leverage.

Then some of you have asked what have Arab countries done for Pakistan?...Gulf Arab countries have invested billions of dollars in Pakistan and have voted with Pakistan on many international platforms, they've opened up their countries for work and business, education, travel, etc.

Then some of you immature cry babies cry about Arabs being racist to you when you visit Arab countries, reality is many of you especially you Indian or dark-skin looking Pakistanis would be treated with racism even in many parts of Pakistan you're just more sensitive to it when it comes from others. Get over your insecurities, your personal insecurities and bad experiences don't dictate foreign policy.

 

[Sayfullah]

These Arabs are a puzzling bunch.

Imran Khan dodged a bullet there.



I am conservative but I am fine with Jews having a homeland and allowed to practice their religion freely in it.

Jews have a lengthy history in Palestinian lands. Kingdom of Israel existed in these lands for a long period of time. They will never give up on these lands due to obvious reasons.

The holy site labelled Masjid al-Aqsa predates Islam and was valuable to all believers including Muslims but Allah Almighty instructed Holy Prophet (PBUH) to shift qibla to the other holy site labelled Ka'bah (Kaaba) in Mecca in 624 CE. This shift happened after Safar-e-Meraj but before the Battle of Badr.

Change of the Qibla - wikishia

en.wikishia.net

This shift was a test of faith. It was supposed to teach Muslims to attach more importance to spirituality and belief in Allah Almighty than to any holy site in materialistic sense.

This shift was also a compensation to Muslims in the sense that there is another holy site to gravitate towards for spiritual reasons and nobody has claims on it. This shift could also help reduce conflict between Muslims, Jews and Christians on religious grounds by extension.

But how many got the memo, honestly?

I recall a hadith that suggest that Hajj will stop at some point. Exact cause is not identified and neither it is pointed that this would be temporary or permanent, but this world is NOT (our) permanent abode and some matters are best left to Allah Almighty.

Islamic history is well-preserved in the lands that are already in our hands, lands that are already vast and blessed with numerous natural resources. Islamic spirituality cannot be harmed unless WE grow out of touch with teachings of Allah Almighty that are preserved in the Holy Quran, and become greedy.

Emergence of modern Israel and loss of Jerusalem to it in spite of the plot to rollback Israel, serve to remind all Muslims about wisdom in teachings of Allah Almighty and that WE cannot have our way in this world on permanent basis. This is how it is for all sides in this world.

WE should learn HOW to co-exist with others through the ever-changing times and push for workable solutions.

In regards to the ongoing Palestine - Israel conflict, ONE STATE SOLUTION should be on the cards.

Israel-Palestine: Can a one-state solution work?

Poll finds a third of Palestinians support the idea.

www.aljazeera.com

And UNESCO can be pushed to declare Masjid Al-Aqsa a World Heritage Site.

Jews might want to build Third Temple on religious grounds but this can be done with accommodating the Dome of Rock as noted in following link:

Can Third Temple be built without destroying Dome of the Rock?

New Jewish interfaith initiative hopes to show that Jews' end-of-days vision could harmoniously accommodate Islam's present architectural hegemony on the Temple Mount.

m.jpost.com

Pakistan can push for the above while recognizing Israel. This will help Pakistan's international image manifold and pave way for new economic avenues. Israel can provide both technologies and trade to Pakistan like it does for others.

Arabs are warming up to Israel but WE are are supposed to be more Arabs then them?

Pakistan needs to concentrate on HOW to put its own house in order which it FAILS to do on a consistent basis. Pakistani Public is massive and have needs of its own. Pakistan cannot continue like a corrupt dysfunctional state like it is in the present for indefinite period.

Many Pakistani tend to think about collective good for the pan-Islamic bloc but do others have our best interests in their hearts and minds? How many sought to liberate Kashmir for example?

So choose your path wisely.

Now for the record:

Saudi Arabia's GDP grows 8.8% year-on-year in third quarter, statistics authority says

Saudi Arabia's economy grew by 8.8% in the third quarter of 2022 compared to the same period a year earlier, mainly due to a sharp increase in oil-related activity, according to official estimates released on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

Saudi Arabia Exports

Exports in Saudi Arabia increased to 94517 SAR Million in July from 88783 SAR Million in June of 2024. This page provides - Saudi Arabia Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

Saudi Arabia's exports surge to $146.32bln

Eng. Al-Suwailem noted that the ministry aims to increase the industrial establishments from 10,000 to 32,000 establishments by 2035

www.zawya.com

So where WE stand in comparison?

WE are continously undermined by people who lack in understanding of virtually anything and mentally frozen in time.

A couple points:
1) Zionism is not Judaism. Real Orthodox Jews believe they’re a people in exile till their messiah will come.
2) Al Aqsa is not the dome of rock. This is another Zionist tactic they make it seem Al Aqsa is the dome of rock whereas Al Aqsa Masjid is not the dome of rock and the whole Al Aqsa compound is valuable for us.
3) Your talking about selective Hadiths and trying to prove why to coexist with Jews while the Quran clearly mentions they will never be our allies and Hadith already warn us of our war with them.
4) It wasn’t us Muslims who didn’t want Jews in Palestine. When Hazrat Umar R.A went and got Al Quds surrender, the Christians put it in the treaty to never allow Jews to live in those areas. So I think the lecture about co existence should go to them and not the people who saved Jews from going extinct many times when the Europeans were killing them.
5) Defending Al Aqsa is not being more Arab than anyone. It’s being more Muslim than others. Someone who is fine with allowing their enemy build their temple on the third holiest place in Islam needs to reevaluate their faith, not ethnicity.
6) Pakistans current situation is not an excuse to abandon Al Aqsa.
7) Many Pakistanis sought to liberate Kashmir and fight for Pakistan and Islam. You should ask while the generals stop them. There is a reason many people who went to fight in Kashmir for us ended up turning against us and fighting against us. Just look at post loc ceasefire time, we told Kashmiri freedom fighters that we won’t support them and they should stop their attacks and many turned against us cuz they guys were raised to fight but were not allowed to fight. And btw I have a family member who went Kashmir to fight in 90s.
8) Those who do jihad in the path of Allah will always win. Either they physically win in this world or either they get the rank of a martyr.
WE have our emaan as our biggest weapon.

 

[LeGenD]

A couple points:
1) Zionism is not Judaism. Real Orthodox Jews believe they’re a people in exile till their messiah will come.
2) Al Aqsa is not the dome of rock. This is another Zionist tactic they make it seem Al Aqsa is the dome of rock whereas Al Aqsa Masjid is not the dome of rock and the whole Al Aqsa compound is valuable for us.
3) Your talking about selective Hadiths and trying to prove why to coexist with Jews while the Quran clearly mentions they will never be our allies and Hadith already warn us of our war with them.
4) It wasn’t us Muslims who didn’t want Jews in Palestine. When Hazrat Umar R.A went and got Al Quds surrender, the Christians put it in the treaty to never allow Jews to live in those areas. So I think the lecture about co existence should go to them and not the people who saved Jews from going extinct many times when the Europeans were killing them.
5) Defending Al Aqsa is not being more Arab than anyone. It’s being more Muslim than others. Someone who is fine with allowing their enemy build their temple on the third holiest place in Islam needs to reevaluate their faith, not ethnicity.
6) Pakistans current situation is not an excuse to abandon Al Aqsa.
7) Many Pakistanis sought to liberate Kashmir and fight for Pakistan and Islam. You should ask while the generals stop them. There is a reason many people who went to fight in Kashmir for us ended up turning against us and fighting against us. Just look at post loc ceasefire time, we told Kashmiri freedom fighters that we won’t support them and they should stop their attacks and many turned against us cuz they guys were raised to fight but were not allowed to fight. And btw I have a family member who went Kashmir to fight in 90s.
8) Those who do jihad in the path of Allah will always win. Either they physically win in this world or either they get the rank of a martyr.
WE have our emaan as our biggest weapon.

1. Not all of the jews are on the same page on religious beliefs. Just like not all Muslims are on the same page on religious beliefs. There are Anti-Zionist jews as well. But Israel exist irrespective of these realities.

2. Dome of Rock is located very close to the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex.

WE do not know where the Third Temple is supposed to be built but it can be built without dismantling anything of significance in that compound as suggested by jews who advocate for interfaith harmony. Muslims can continue to pray in the Masjid al-Aqsa complex regardless.

Pushing UNESCO to declare both the Masjid al-Aqsa complex and the Dome of Rock as World Heritage Sites can be helpful to Muslims.

Think about it.

3. Every Surah in the Holy Quran has background context to it. Allah Almighty cautioned Holy Prophet (PBUH) about the intentions of Jews and Christians residing in Medina in Surah al-Ma'idah - these could not be trusted because they were involved in a plot to eliminate Muslims with pagan Meccans.

Holy Prophet (PBUH) found Christian King Najashi to be trustworthy otherwise.

Najashi: The king who supported Muslim emigrants

It was a very critical moment. Jafar ibn Abi Taleb, the elder brother of Ali ibn Abi Taleb, who after embracing Islam escaped the prosecution of Makkans and led a delegation of over 80 emigrants to Habesha, was standing in the court of Christian King Najashi to defend Islam. He had full faith in...

www.arabnews.com

Think about it.

4. Refer back to my second point above.

As for my faith, I would love to visit and pray in the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex myself if Allah Almighty allows me. I hope it lasts till the End of Times.

I am also concerned about developments around the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex, but why not push for a solution that can work for both Muslims and Jews in the long-term?

6. Pakistan needs to do something constructive for a change to rebuild its international image and get back on its feet if it is to endure.

Pakistan can push for solving Palestine - Israel conflict by proposing One State Solution and reaching out to UNESCO to declare both the Al-Aqsa Masjid complex and the Dome of Rock as World Heritage Sites. This is infinitely better than not recognizing Israel and cussing it from a distance.

But I am not sure Pakistan can because who will take responsibility for decades of Ummah narrative-building instead of nurturing independent thought in view of how the world seem to work in modern times?

7. Because it led to nothing.

8. I respect your sentiments but do you think that Islam is threatened in Kashmir? This is a territorial dispute between Pakistan and India and even China is involved in it versus India. Pakistan's claim on Kashmir is in line with the British India Partition Formula of Muslim-majority princely states ceding to it which make sense to me. But Kashmir Hindu ruler Hari Singh turned to be a bast...

WE need to think realistically, practically, and have allies on our side.

The so-called Mujahideen who fought Soviets in Afghanistan prevailed with assistance of US and Pakistan.

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Allah Almighty might help those who are on the right path, and those who are wise or work for greater good. He knows best.

 

[ThunderCat]

I really dont have time to reply to all the Hindu Zionist lovers and especially non-muslims like you

we dont worship the actual mosque you idiot its a place where to congregate to pray, unlike Hindu who actually pray to clay objects which they make themselves

you and other Zionist loving dogs only deserve to be treated this way by me so dont expect any sympathy from me

Oh yes you do worship it. You love it, you want to bow down to it. You want to possess it. Stop making excuses for your idolatry.

Islam does not recognize man-made material objects. God has no single direction nor does it command us to preserve or hold material objects as sacred.

I don't distinguish between idolatry. Weather it's a man-made building or a humanoid statue, I don't distinguish it. So no point condemning other people's idolatry but promoting your own.