Sayfullah
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Yes I agree I even mentioned the Orthodox Jewish view on Israel. But Israel state was a creation of the Zionist ideology. It was Herzl the Zionist who started the idea of Israel. Jews had an option of Argentina and even usa to make their state but why do they chose Palestine? It was cuz they were religiously motivated with their Zionist ideology. Their Zionist leaders say their flags two blues symbolize the Nile and Euphrates River and everything in between as Israel. Even modern day Israeli government is full of hardcore Zionists who see Muslims as their biggest enemy and believe in greater Israel ideology. The Jews who were native to Palestine and surrounding areas aren’t that radical many not even radical at all and for co existence. The European Jews are radical and religiously motivated and adopted Zionist ideology to come to Palestine and oppress Muslims.1. Not all of the jews are on the same page on religious beliefs. Just like not all Muslims are on the same page on religious beliefs. There are Anti-Zionist jews as well. But Israel exist irrespective of these realities.
Why should we give up even 1 inch of Al Aqsa compound to Zionists? Wasn’t their destroying of hundreds of masjids in Palestine enough? Wasn’t their converting of Masjid Ibrahim in Hebron an eye opener for us? They banned Muslims from worshipping there and and illegally took it over. We’re all for Co existence that’s why under Muslim ruler Jews had 0 issues with worshipping in their holy sites in Palestine. As for UNESCO, what good will it do? Isn’t there many UN regulations against Israel? What good has that done? When Israeli radical terrorist burned a section of Al Aqsa what did the world do? The Israeli pm at that time even thought there would be worldwide backlash and possibly an invasion by Muslim forces but she was surprised nothing happened. So what good will UNESCO do if no one can enforce their laws on Israel?2. Dome of Rock is located very close to the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex.
WE do not know where the Third Temple is supposed to be built but it can be built without dismantling anything of significance in that compound as suggested by jews who advocate for interfaith harmony. Muslims can continue to pray in the Masjid al-Aqsa complex regardless.
Pushing UNESCO to declare both the Masjid al-Aqsa complex and the Dome of Rock as World Heritage Sites can be helpful to Muslims.
Think about it.
I agree every Quran verse has its context. Every Hadith has its context. Many Islamic scholars who studied Islam for decades have told us what those verses mean and their tafsir. We are taught the importance of the third holiest site in Islam. And Quran also tells us about Christians. Islam also tells us how to deal with aggressors and oppressors.3. Every Surah in the Holy Quran has background context to it. Allah Almighty cautioned Holy Prophet (PBUH) about the intentions of Jews and Christians residing in Medina in Surah al-Ma'idah - these could not be trusted because they were involved in a plot to eliminate Muslims with pagan Meccans.
Holy Prophet (PBUH) found Christian King Najashi to be trustworthy otherwise.
Think about it.Najashi: The king who supported Muslim emigrants
It was a very critical moment. Jafar ibn Abi Taleb, the elder brother of Ali ibn Abi Taleb, who after embracing Islam escaped the prosecution of Makkans and led a delegation of over 80 emigrants to Habesha, was standing in the court of Christian King Najashi to defend Islam. He had full faith in...www.arabnews.com
Refer to my previous posts in this thread. I said Muslims should create a united force for protection and administration of Al Aqsa compound. Once that’s done a lot of progress can be made for co existence and peace. We can allow Jews to do their religious duties in Al Quds without giving 1 inch of Al Aqsa compound to them. Give Al Aqsa to an international UN backed Muslim force and give Palestinians rights and a separate state. That would solve the issue. Unfortunately hardcore Zionist want destruction of Al Aqsa.4. Refer back to my second point above.
As for my faith, I would love to visit and pray in the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex myself if Allah Almighty allows me. I hope it lasts till the End of Times.
I am also concerned about developments around the Masjid Al-Aqsa complex, but why not push for a solution that can work for both Muslims and Jews in the long-term?
Pakistan should establish its red line. Anyone who dares to HARM Al Aqsa MOSQUE and Dome of Rock would get nuked with no exception. You say Jews won’t harm Al Aqsa Mosque or Dome of Rock so let’s establish those as our redline first and then we can work something out for the rest of Al Aqsa compound? The minimum I’m asking is to protect the most important places in Al Aqsa compound which you said Israel won’t harm so such a redline won’t harm Israel in any way? I’d go as far as to say if Pakistan establishes such redline and makes such statement then Pakistan can even establish relations with Israel on the pretext for helping to solve the Palestinian issue and to make it easier for Muslims to go Al Aqsa to pray. At least Israeli would know to stay within their limits and not touch our redline and if they stay within their limits we can work on co existence. UNESCO won’t do much. A better option would be a UN recognized and backed Muslim force dedicated to administration and protection of Al Aqsa. Is Israel really doesn’t want to harm Al Aqsa than they would have no issue with this?6. Pakistan needs to do something constructive for a change to rebuild its international image and get back on its feet if it is to endure.
Pakistan can push for solving Palestine - Israel conflict by proposing One State Solution and reaching out to UNESCO to declare both the Al-Aqsa Masjid complex and the Dome of Rock as World Heritage Sites. This is infinitely better than not recognizing Israel and cussing it from a distance.
But I am not sure Pakistan can because who will take responsibility for decades of Ummah narrative-building instead of nurturing independent thought in view of how the world seem to work in modern times?
Also, when it comes to defence of Al Aqsa the third holiest place in Islam, international image and economy can go down the drain.
Are you sure? India seemed to have learned it can cause damage and started doing that to us via ttp and bla/blf. Peace comes through force. When faced with a much bigger and stronger enemy we cannot match them conventionally so we have to be unconventional.7. Because it led to nothing.
Also I find that statement very offending because I personally know people martyred in Kashmir. They were trained by our establishment and sent by our establishment to fight. They were given jihadi jazba from our establishment supported madressas and sent to fight. They sacrificed their lives for us and we pass such statements like “it lead to nothing”. What did Pakistan army lead to? We can also say it lead to nothing cuz they haven’t got rid of terrorists nor have they freed Kashmir. Should we also disband Pakistan army since it lead to nothing? Maybe I get a bit emotional but I know people who died in Kashmir and I have family members who went and fought in Kashmir. No sacrifice was in vain. Every Shaheed contributed and lead to something. It was traitors who sold out the cause and sold out the blood of our shaheeds which “lead to nothing”.
Is Kashmir oppressed? If yes that’s enough for jihad.8. I respect your sentiments but do you think that Islam is threatened in Kashmir?
Even if kaffirs are oppressed we stand up for them and fight for them.
Also seeing how india is spreading their filth and spreading drugs in Kashmiri society and trying to change the deen to their benefits, i would say Islam is threatened in Kashmir. Wherever rss steps its foot we must exterminate it because it’s a threat to Muslims and Islam.
Also lemme get this straight. Islam will always be alive and Allah is enough for the threats against Islam. Me saying Islam is threatened somewhere means the Muslims of that area are led astray on purpose and fitna is spread. Otherwise islam will always be victorious amd nothing can threat or even harm it.
Exactly so mushriks have occupied Muslim lands and oppress Muslims there. That’s enough for jihad to be lawful.This is a territorial dispute between Pakistan and India and even China is involved in it versus India. Pakistan's claim on Kashmir is in line with the British India Partition Formula of Muslim-majority princely states ceding to it which make sense to me. But Kashmir Hindu ruler Hari Singh turned to be a bast...
How should we fight 8x bigger india and terrorism at the same time? If india is engaged inside india it won’t be able to put its full focus on us. Funding isn’t an issue because agencies and groups find a way to fund them self. And we shouldn’t stay just limited to Kashmir when tackling india. Many other freedom struggles are in india fighting india.WE need to think realistically, practically, and have allies on our side.
May Allah keep us all on the right path.Allah Almighty might help those who are on the right path, and those who are wise or work for greater good. He knows best
So? It doesn’t make their struggle any lesser because they got American support. They fought to free them self from an occupier who oppressed them. For that they are mujahideen. Same way Pakistani army gets American support but if they die fighting khawarij or kaffirs they are still Shaheed.The so-called Mujahideen who fought Soviets in Afghanistan prevailed with assistance of US and Pakistan.
I would add website links and other sources to site what I wrote but I don’t have much time or ability to do so right now. Just got discharged from hospital a couple days ago.