Any enemy of China is an enemy of Pakistan: Pakistan Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif

[Spectre]

All I will say here is that unlike China, which has territorial and security issues with India (a behemoth of 1.25 Billion) , Japan has none of that. Japan has no security issues with ANY nation in South Asia, in fact, Japan is God-Blessed in that we have a healthy, dynamic, and respectable rapport with all of South Asia. As we speak, we have nearing 800 investment firms and companies operating in Bangladesh, we are developing the Matarbari Deep Seaport , which will revolutionize the trade capacity of Bangladesh and will definite create immense job opportunities for Bangladeshis and development for Dhaka as well as Chitagong region.

In addition to that, my friend, Bangladesh has gifted Japan a 'Technological City' which will be able to accomodate over 1000 Japanese businesses in close proximity to Matarbari, these Japanese businesses means that Bangladesh (a nation of over 156 million) will be able to accomodate more Japanese investments and re-shoring. We are looking at the potential to bring infrastructure, manufacturing jobs from China to Bangladesh. You can bet that the future is exceedingly bright for Japan and Bangladesh and the partnership will only go higher.

Now, in regards to India. India is a large partner for Japan in various ways as the partnership is deep and includes cooperation in the grass roots level, the civic engagement level, infrastructure level, energy supply level, investment level, research and design level, advanced academic bilateral level, to the defense training level vis a vis Malabar. India is home to over 1,350 Japanese businesses and this number will continue to increase as trade between the two countries reaches newer heights.

Now in regards to Sri Lanka. Japan has been an active player in the revitalization of Sri Lanka post-Civil War, and have contributed medical, social aid to the rehabitation of the communities in north of the island, areas that are heavily populated by Tamils. Japan has helped revitalize Singhala communities as well and have , through the arms of JICA, supported ethnic harmony in Sri Lanka. Japan and the ADB (Asian Development Bank) have poured Billions into the creation of road way infrastructure in Sri Lanka, and to help connect the country together. As we speak Japan is vested in a new roadway , an expansion of the E02 expressway and more.

In regards to Pakistan, Japan has played a very active role in the revitalization of the Paktunwa region where low health standards continues to affect the children there , and through cooperation with the Government of Pakistan , JICA has worked in providing necessary nutritional supplementation , education services, health services. Japan and Pakistan work through necessary channels to find practical solutions to the day to day needs of the Pakistani people; such include the Japanese funding of weather monitoring systems in Pakistan, flood alert systems, funding of power generators hydrolectric material. Japan is also vested in Pakistan industry and has helped Paksitan augment its booming textile industry. These are just some examples, and do not illustrate the all inclusive and deep nature of Japan's vested interest in Pakistan. As Pakistan develops and stabilizes, there is no reason why Japanese investments can't come in ; in fact Japan will bring in more investments to Pakistan as we speak.

Interview: ‘Japanese are very interested to invest in Pakistan’ –Japanese Ambassador Hiroshi Inomata | Pakistan Today


So, let me end this by saying that Japan, as a mature and reliable partner and friend, as we have shown through history, in context to South Asia, will remain vested and an active partner in the development of South Asia. Japan wishes for STABILITY and COOPERATION in SOUTH ASIA. And I believe that Japan has a role as a conduit in which all sides and all parties in SOUTH ASIA can cooperate together and increase intraregional trade, awareness and respect.


I dare to say that.


Regards,
@Nihonjin1051

Well said as always, but does not address the point I raised. I have always appreciated Japanese diplomatic skills.

It is foolish to burn any bridges in modern times and I understand your viewpoint.

Regards

 

[mike2000 is back]

I will answer t


That is a convulted hypothesis as as improbable as asking "who would USA support if Republic of Ireland invaded Northern Ireland in a attempyt to sieze it from UK".

Pakistan and Turkey see eye to eye on most things. This is not about to change anytime soon much as some would like that to happen.

As regards Japan I believe she stands for peace. I think Pakistan will side with peace thus it will stand by Japan.

Ps. Word of advice. If you have two close friends who argue or have differances you try to resolve their differances. You don't join in the fight.

Well pakistan defence chief should have been more precise then. Since there has been quite alot of tensions between turkish nationalists and China over the uygur issue, and to be honest things will only get worse as i dont see turksih citizens/nationalists given up from 'helping' their 'oppressed ' ugurs brethrens by 'ALL MEANS NECESSARY. @atatwolf what do you think about this news?


You say Pakistan will support peaceful Japan, (which i dont mind). Huh....but Japan is China's main rival(if not ennemy by farrrrr) India doesnt even comes close, nor does it fugure in Chinas main calculations/threats. Just look at china's new white paper, then you will know what im talking about.. Lol

 

[21 Dec 2012]

@atatwolf what do you think about this news?

Good thinking

 

[Viper0011.]

In regards to Pakistan, Japan has played a very active role in the revitalization of the Paktunwa region where low health standards continues to affect the children there , and through cooperation with the Government of Pakistan , JICA has worked in providing necessary nutritional supplementation , education services, health services. Japan and Pakistan work through necessary channels to find practical solutions to the day to day needs of the Pakistani people; such include the Japanese funding of weather monitoring systems in Pakistan, flood alert systems, funding of power generators hydrolectric material. Japan is also vested in Pakistan industry and has helped Paksitan augment its booming textile industry. These are just some examples, and do not illustrate the all inclusive and deep nature of Japan's vested interest in Pakistan. As Pakistan develops and stabilizes, there is no reason why Japanese investments can't come in ; in fact Japan will bring in more investments to Pakistan as we speak.

Interview: ‘Japanese are very interested to invest in Pakistan’ –Japanese Ambassador Hiroshi Inomata | Pakistan Today @Nihonjin1051

You are absolutely right and your post is very insightful too. Japan has done a lot for Pakistan over many decades, in terms of trade, investments, technology to build stuff and loans. And she's ready to help Pakistan more in many areas. Same thing for the US and the Europeans (French, the UK). So this statement is being blown out of proportion by the Indian members just for propaganda purposes.

Pakistan's foreign policy has shaped up for the first time in its history, since the current civilian government took over 3 years ago. And the foreign policy has been proven itself very well in a very short amount of time.
Pakistan was able to establish serious economic and defense ties with countries it never could do basic trade with before in her 70 years of life. Russia, Turkey, a couple of South American countries, Miyanmar, etc are just a few examples.

The current Pakistani foreign policy is based on keeping strong relationships with all major powers and its working out well. So that leaves just India as the main foe (has been since the birth of Pakistan). So folks here are reading too much into this statement.

It was said for India only and with regards to the trouble India is causing during the building of Chinese - Pakistan economic corridor. That's it. No one else was the point behind the statement above, and Pakistan will remain involved in very healthy business and economic related activity with the rest of the world.

 

[Aepsilons]

Well said as always, but does not address the point I raised. I have always appreciated Japanese diplomatic skills.

It is foolish to burn any bridges in modern times and I understand your viewpoint.

Regards

My friend, its my understanding that Japanese Government wishes inclusivity when it comes to South Asia. There have been various players , all outsiders of South Asia, that have tried to cause discord in South Asia. To be honest, my friend, South Asia actually has the potential to become a major player (if not leader) of Global Politics in the future. If Pakistan and India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka can eventually sort out differences, find practical solutions to shared problems, then there is no reason why South Asia cannot rise. In fact, in 50 years, the population of South Asia will reach over 1.7 Billion. This is more than China , Japan, The Koreas, Taiwan, Mongolia Combined.

An interesting vantage point, my friend, i ask you to consider it.

In fact, my friend, I think it is even more possible to have a Pakistan-India-Bangladesh-Sri Lanka rapproachment and security pact than to ever see a Sino-Japanese one. I fear South Asians are more "forgiving" in nature, unfortunately we East Asians hold grudges and this results in poor national politics and breeding of distrust and discord.

 

[Viper0011.]

Showing his loyalty to the new master, although not wise mr.Saddam Husein looking general

Just like Indian leaders have shown their loyalty to the Russian masters, and now they abandoned them slowly and started to pay tributes to the American masters since the tech boom . Both India and Pakistan are third world "developing" countries, no matter how soup-o-powa status you think India has . So both countries are bound to have masters. 15 years from now, it would be a different story for both as they are growing fast.

 

[atatwolf]

Well pakistan defence chief should have been more precise then. Since there has been quite alot of tensions between turkish nationalists and China over the uygur issue, and to be honest things will only get worse as i dont see turksih citizens/nationalists given up from 'helping' their 'oppressed ' ugurs brethrens by 'ALL MEANS NECESSARY. @atatwolf what do you think about this news?


You say Pakistan will support peaceful Japan, (which i dont mind). Huh....but Japan is China's main rival(if not ennemy by farrrrr) India doesnt even comes close, nor does it fugure in Chinas main calculations/threats. Just look at china's new white paper, then you will know what im talking about.. Lol

What China is for Pakistan, Japan is for Turkey. Japan is helping Turkey with a lot of stuff which is based on mutual interests. It is not a master-slave relation. Japan is one of the sane actors in the region and we will help them build up the region and zone of influence.

 

[ZooZoo]

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif has said that any country or state that is an enemy of China is also an enemy of Pakistan.

The army chief also said that the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) will be completed at all costs and no one will be allowed to sabotage it.

General Raheel Sharif, addressing the 88th anniversary of Chinese Peoples Liberation Army (CPLA), said that the Pakistan-China friendship was “deeper than the oceans and sweeter than honey”.

He added that the CPEC will be completed at all costs and any attempt to obstruct the project will be thwarted.

COAS Sharif has also stated that enmity with China will be considered enmity with Pakistan.

what kind of statement is it'?? No one use such language in international arena (unless they are under war). AFAIK Xhina is not under war.. China is aggressor...

The statments should be like "Pak and China is against any kind of terrorism/bully etc ".. By saying "Enemy of China is Enemy of Pakistan " is seems like behaving like slave...

I assume the Pakistani generall didnt mean it..


Hassan Nissar said "We Pakistani are emotional fool".. Diplomacy doesnt run on emotion, its work on rational thinking...

 

[21 Dec 2012]

@21 Dec 2012 What are you on about. Everytime I go to Pakistan all I hear is most people talking about the ubiquitous Toytota. They can't live without them.

Ask this guy

Pakistan could easily import cars from Iran / China at cheaper rates.

Japanese cars are assembled in Pakistan , they promised full transfer of technology to make cars fully in Pakistan but that promise has not resulted in Pakistani manufacturer making more then 20-30 % of the car parts so last 30 years have been wasted in that venture

All pakistanis got was SUZUKI mehran crap car

Of course its shi...t ....

Zero , protection for collision
No efficiency in gas
Car looks like it will break down if it hit a road bump


If Suzuki were smart they could have brought in some better models into Pakistan and took over the market but they stayed with Mehran crap and now their days are numbered


Look at the shitt...y interior of engine !!!

A university project car would look better



Compare to a car that has sign of "ENGINEERING" inside it and parts that reflect the engineering

Japanese have run the SCAM far too long , to take $$$ from Pakistani car buyers and selling them crap Mehran



I mean look at MEHRAN it does not even have a HEAT SHEILD !!!



Just introduce FORD or GM into Pakistan get the Mehran shit out


FORD

Ford Fiesta

GM Malibu

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Well pakistan defence chief should have been more precise then. Since there has been quite alot of tensions between turkish nationalists and China over the uygur issue, and to be honest things will only get worse as i dont see turksih citizens/nationalists given up from 'helping' their 'oppressed ' ugurs brethrens by 'ALL MEANS NECESSARY. @atatwolf what do you think about this news?


You ssy Pakistan will support peaceful Japan, (which i dont mind). Huh....but Japan is China's main rival(if not ennemy by farrrrr) india doesnt even comes close.

I have discussed the Uighur issue with many Turks here at PDF. We are very close to the Uighurs. In fact the Uighur major city Kashgar ( Kashi ) is only 100 miles from Pakistan. That part of China is like France and Belguim. Right next to each other. We have many Uighurs living in Pakistan. The CPEC is going to connect these regions even more. Even at the moment you can drive from Islamabad, Pakistan to Kashgar, in the Uighure region of China. I am sure China, Pakistan and Turkey will overcome the present issues.

However the Turks know despite understandbly getting emotional that we have to resolve our issues. Turkey most of all knows this. The Chechens are Turkic Muslims. The Russians almost commited genocide there. What can we do? The only thing Turkey and Pakistan can do is use our influence to ease whatever the problems there are. Erdogan visited China and I am sure he impressed his concerns and I am sure the Chinese listened to him. Both are our friends and we wish them the best.

Turkey president Erdogan in China amid Uighur tensions - BBC News

@21 Dec 2012 One guy not maketh a nation.

 

[Aepsilons]

You are absolutely right and your post is very insightful too. Japan has done a lot for Pakistan over many decades, in terms of trade, investments, technology to build stuff and loans. And she's ready to help Pakistan more in many areas. Same thing for the US and the Europeans (French, the UK). So this statement is being blown out of proportion by the Indian members just for propaganda purposes.

Pakistan's foreign policy has shaped up for the first time in its history, since the current civilian government took over 3 years ago. And the foreign policy has been proven itself very well in a very short amount of time.
Pakistan was able to establish serious economic and defense ties with countries it never could do basic trade with before in her 70 years of life. Russia, Turkey, a couple of South American countries, Miyanmar, etc are just a few examples.

The current Pakistani foreign policy is based on keeping strong relationships with all major powers and its working out well. So that leaves just India as the main foe (has been since the birth of Pakistan). So folks here are reading too much into this statement.

It was said for India only and with regards to the trouble India is causing during the building of Chinese - Pakistan economic corridor. That's it. No one else was the point behind the statement above, and Pakistan will remain involved in very healthy business and economic related activity with the rest of the world.

Pakistan is maturing and developing in the right direction. From the military government of Musharraf in 2000-2007, to the current democratic government now. I am not saying that the current government in Pakistan is 'perfect', but it definitely has a lot more transparency than the one when Musharraf was in power. There was no judicial independence during that time, and the Army was practically in control. Now, the current government government and is a Civil Government.

Pakistan's democracy is rather young, in practical modern sense. But she has accomplished so much since representative and participatory democracy was reestablished in the country. I mean its just been what? 8 years? So far, so good. I am very, very , very optimistic about Pakistan's development and political maturity in the next 2-3 decades.

I have so much hopes for this beautiful nation.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

It sounds like “an enemy of US is also an enemy of NATO member countries”. It is a political statement of pro-alliance between Pakistan and China.

Unfortunately, your Pakistani brothers do not think so.

 

[atatwolf]

Some people won't like me saying this but Pakistan is betting on the wrong horse and even worse... Pakistan is putting all of its eggs in one basket. It is sad to see Pakistan to become a vassal state of China and even more sad to see Pakistani being proud on that. If you see how China is acting towards smaller neighbors it only proofs that China is not "best-friend material". Pakistan is making a big mistake and you will be part of the problem. Nobody will attack China but in the contrary China is more likely to attack their smaller neighbors. If Pakistan get's caught in this you will loose equally as China will. Pakistan should get off the Titanic before it is too late. Sooner than later we will see what is going to happen.

 

[Aepsilons]

Then what do you make of PA Chief's (de facto centre of power in IRP) statement that Chin's enemy are theirs?

That's a message for all , i suppose. If I were to see the angle in the Pakistani Eye, I , too, would be hostile against war. Listen, Pakistan is a developing country , a vibrant young democracy nearly 200 million. Trade and peace is what is necessary to help cure the ills of separatism and anarchist thoughts in its border lands. So far, Pakistan has been successful.

Pakistan's largest trading partner is China. Any war in China would disrupt trade , and thus would disrupt Pakistan's growth , so of course, in the Pakistani Visage, any War china gets involved in would affect Paksitan's development. I don't disagree with that.

I believe the Pakistan Military Chief made a stern warning to remind neighbors to chose the path for peace, so that all partners can develop unabated. It makes sense, and I support him, and Pakistan.

 

[Spectre]

My friend, its my understanding that Japanese Government wishes inclusivity when it comes to South Asia. There have been various players , all outsiders of South Asia, that have tried to cause discord in South Asia. To be honest, my friend, South Asia actually has the potential to become a major player (if not leader) of Global Politics in the future. If Pakistan and India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka can eventually sort out differences, find practical solutions to shared problems, then there is no reason why South Asia cannot rise. In fact, in 50 years, the population of South Asia will reach over 1.7 Billion. This is more than China , Japan, The Koreas, Taiwan, Mongolia Combined

You will find no disagreements with me on this. I believe you understand S. Asia quite well to know that we have always under delivered in regards to our potential.

In fact, my friend, I think it is even more possible to have a Pakistan-India-Bangladesh-Sri Lanka rapproachment and security pact than to ever see a Sino-Japanese one. I fear South Asians are more "forgiving" in nature, unfortunately we East Asians hold grudges and this results in poor national politics and breeding of distrust and discord.

India - Bangladesh - Nepal - S. Lanka are working on our differences and progressing towards the state of play you have suggested. These four countries are diverse in terms of religions, demography, economy and ethnicity and yet despite the historical baggage quite capable of co-operation and co-habitation. In-fact India- China despite our issues are still capable of conducting trade in volumes of 100 billion dollars. This economic co-dependency makes any overt hostility b/w us counter productive.

As for India and Pakistan the issues are existential in nature given the palpable hate and paranoia we posses towards each other, India - Pakistan relationship makes Sino - Japanese one seem like walk in central park on a sunny day.
The wounds go too deep my friend and are constantly being re-opened and salted upon by both sides.

As much as you and I would like to see us come together to realize our common potential, it ain't happening - you have been on PDF long enough to realize the futility of even suggesting otherwise.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Showing his loyalty to the new master, although not wise mr.Saddam Husein looking general

Well to be honest, i dont really think its jus showing loyalty to new master as you said. I think Pakistans government is right in solidifying their relationship with China, as China is their main ally by far(even ahead of the U.S) as their interests match in almost all fields i can think of, plus China is a huge backer of pakistan in international arena (security council memeber/vetoes), militarily, economically, srategically etc you name it, plus they are both wary of India. In short Pakistan can get basically everything it wants/can afford to get from China, something not many countries are lucky enough to have(e.g Iran), and as times goes by and China gets even more powerful, pakistans relationship with China will only get stronger .if india was in pakistans situation. It too will do the same thing.lol

The only upstacle i foresee in this close relationship in the long term is Religion getting in the way of this sweet rapproachment.lol Since in a situation where muslims in China are used by foreign powers(hypthetically) like in xijiang and things gets messier there drawig the attention of the international community(Turkey etc), i dont think Pakistan will take China's side to be honest, even if its leaders wants to. The pressure in the country to support or at least remain neutral for an atheist regime who 'oppresses' muslims will be too strong IMO.

Anyway i understand Pakistans position (its a rational one) though i think their defence chief shouldnt have made such a vague statement, there was no need for that. but its nothing serious though, in a week from now at most, everybody will have forgotten about it.