Analysis: Will India’s S-400 missiles checkmate Pakistan?

[Stephen Cohen]

Then also India can deploys most of its S400 batteries against Pakistan, where as S-300 batteries(which India already posses) can be deployed in the North East.

S 400 will be the Tip of the Spear -- the ACE --of India's Integrated Air Defence System

We can get more S 300 s ; then we will have Barak LRSAM
And our own BMD will be deployed in Five years time

never been confirmed

Why do Do you think India will declare everything

Secondly buying S 400 In ITSELF confirms that we are AWARE and familiar
with the workings of S 300

The Integration process for S 400 will be very quick

S 400 is an upgrade just like PAK FA is an upgrade of Su 30

 

[shah1398]

Depends on the circumstances, If war with Pakistan is imminent, but there is no saber
rattling from China, as has happened in previous wars, most recently in Kargil war, where Chinese refuse to even come to Pakistan's diplomatic aid.

Then India can deploy all S-400 systems on borders with Pakistan, virtually denying Pakistan the use of most of it own airspace.
However in another case, where war with Pakistan is imminent but there is a possibility of Chinese intervention.
Then also India can deploys most of its S400 batteries against Pakistan, where as S-300 batteries(which India already posses) can be deployed in the North East.

In current circumstances its more than $46 billion Chinese investment and counting thats wud be the one at stake in any scenario. China wud never want it see go to drain that easily. The obvious intentions of China with regards to Pakistan are clear when it had shot down Indian resolution against Hafiz Saeed in UN and is opposing Indian inclusion into NSG sans Pakistan.

 

[T-72M1]

Why do Do you think India will declare everything

Secondly buying S 400 In ITSELF confirms that we are AWARE and familiar
with the workings of S 300

The Integration process for S 400 will be very quick

S 400 is an upgrade just like PAK FA is an upgrade of Su 30

what's there to hide about a system like that ? till date there is not a single pic confirming its presence in India.

according to this article, not sure how reliable it is though (bad english and grammar) we only have the radar.

can't wait for the S-400s

 

[shah1398]

where as S-300 batteries(which India already posses) can be deployed in the North East.

Bdw S-300 is anything small thing whose sale to India had to remain secret or can be kept secret. As India always tries to show its full might in its military parades so we shud ve seen some glimpses of it in any of them or any platform or even during recent Iron fist-2016 etc. So i wud not quote S-300 ever till confirmed they are there inside India.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

what's there to hide about a system like that ? till date there is not a single pic confirming its presence in India.

according to this article, not sure how reliable it is though (bad english and grammar) we only have the radar.

can't wait for the S-400s

We do have S 300 ; they have been there for a Long time

A lot of things are never disclosed and declared

Bdw S-300 is anything small thing whose sale to India had to remain secret or can be kept secret. As India always tries to show its full might in its military parades so we shud ve seen some glimpses of it in any of them or any platform or even during recent Iron fist-2016 etc. So i wud not quote S-300 ever till confirmed they are there inside India.

Iron fist was a tactical 3 hour demonstration just for the Public

It was NOT even an exercise

They did not even use Stand off Air to Ground munitions ; just dumb bombs and
some LGB s

 

[T-72M1]

We do have S 300 ; they have been there for a Long time

A lot of things are never disclosed and declared

sorry, but now you're talking like some Pakistanis who are convinced they have 2 full squadrons of some mystery fighter permanently based in China.

some secret stealth bomber under production or location of ICBM silos etc, now those are things you keep strictly under wraps, but hiding 20+ year old S-300s makes no sense, even Iran has started receiving them and there are pics all over the place.

 

[ravi gupta]

Depends on the circumstances, If war with Pakistan is imminent, but there is no saber
rattling from China, as has happened in previous wars, most recently in Kargil war, where Chinese refuse to even come to Pakistan's diplomatic aid.

Then India can deploy all S-400 systems on borders with Pakistan, virtually denying Pakistan the use of most of it own airspace.
However in another case, where war with Pakistan is imminent but there is a possibility of Chinese intervention.
Then also India can deploys most of its S400 batteries against Pakistan, where as S-300 batteries(which India already posses) can be deployed in the North East.

China has never come in past and will not come in future.China would like to resolve issues diplomatically,as he has invested heavily in both the countries.
Apart from S-400,S-300 INDIA has Spydar air defence and PAD also so before they go offensive they need to do SEAD/DEAD operation on INDIAN soil before that its a no fly zone to them,when they fly from the airbase they will come in the range of S-400.

 

[Photon]

Bdw S-300 is anything small thing whose sale to India had to remain secret or can be kept secret. As India always tries to show its full might in its military parades so we shud ve seen some glimpses of it in any of them or any platform or even during recent Iron fist-2016 etc. So i wud not quote S-300 ever till confirmed they are there inside India.

Is That proof enough for you ? Or would you like more?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

but hiding 20+ year old S-300s makes no sense, even Iran has started receiving them and there are pics all over the place.

You are entitled to your opinion but my point is simple

When we buy S 400 and DECLARE it then we are simply Indirectly
acknowledging that we have been USING the S 300 for a long while

 

[T-72M1]

Is That proof enough for you ? Or would you like more?

cool, that's the ST-68 radar, where is the TEL ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@T-72M1 India also NEVER acknowledged the existence of
Nukes till 1998 or having a Nuclear SUBMARINE program or the K Series of SLBMs
K 15 / K 4

Similarly Tu 22 M 3 is still a mystery -- Yes / No / May be

 

[T-72M1]

You are entitled to your opinion but my point is simple

When we buy S 400 and DECLARE it then we are simply Indirectly
acknowledging that we have been USING the S 300 for a long while

fair enough

S-400 acquisition plans are very public, lots of news about it lately too but I don't get the logic behind acquiring S-400 = we already have S-400

@T-72M1 India also NEVER acknowledged the existence of
Nukes till 1998 or having a Nuclear SUBMARINE program or the K Series of SLBMs
K 15 / K 4

Similarly Tu 22 M 3 is still a mystery -- Yes / No / May be

Pokhran-1, the peaceful nuke ?

Tu22 is another military urban legend

anyway, I hope its true and we're in possession of both S-300 and the TU-22m

 

[Hamza913]

Have you read up on why the PAF was "never involved"?



Yes, the Germans only lost WWII because of international pressure.

Well done.

The PAF was never involved because Pakistan tried to maintain plausible deniability. The Germans lost WW2 because the entire world fought a military campaign against them. That is totally different to what happened in Kargil.

Educate yourself.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Depends on the circumstances, If war with Pakistan is imminent, but there is no saber
rattling from China, as has happened in previous wars, most recently in Kargil war, where Chinese refuse to even come to Pakistan's diplomatic aid.

Then India can deploy all S-400 systems on borders with Pakistan, virtually denying Pakistan the use of most of it own airspace.
However in another case, where war with Pakistan is imminent but there is a possibility of Chinese intervention.
Then also India can deploys most of its S400 batteries against Pakistan, where as S-300 batteries(which India already posses) can be deployed in the North East.

Whenever Pakistan previously had a war with india, China was nowhere near as powerful or technologically/scientifically as advanced as it is now. China now is the ONLY non-white nation on earth that can indigenously design, manufacture and produce advanced/high tech world class weapons comparable to western and Russian standards. Not to mention that China has ALOT riding on their investment of at least $46 billion in Pakistan. If Pakistan were to go to war with india, the Chinese would not get directly or physically involved in the war but rest assured would be supplying Pakistan with their most advanced and lethal weapons as well as providing reconnaissance via their advanced satellites. Some of these advanced weapons systems that would be given to Pakistan would be more than enough to counter the S-400 or other threats. This fact along with the nuclear one is precisely the same reason why the indian military did not/could not attack Pakistan even after mumbai 26/11/2008 nor could the americans launch and successfully execute a full scale invasion of Pakistan (even though Pakistan was listed for termination in "the plans for a new american century" as was Iraq, Afghanistan, Syris and Libya).

 

[Photon]

Whenever Pakistan previously had a war with india, China was nowhere near as powerful or technologically/scientifically as advanced as it is now. China now is the ONLY non-white nation on earth that can indigenously design, manufacture and produce advanced/high tech world class weapons comparable to western and Russian standards. Not to mention that China has ALOT riding on their investment of at least $46 billion in Pakistan. If Pakistan were to go to war with india, the Chinese would not get directly or physically involved in the war but rest assured would be supplying Pakistan with their most advanced and lethal weapons as well as providing reconnaissance via their advanced satellites. Some of these advanced weapons systems that would be given to Pakistan would be more than enough to counter the S-400 or other threats. This fact along with the nuclear one is precisely the same reason why the indian military did not/could not attack Pakistan even after mumbai 26/11/2008 nor could the americans launch and successfully execute a full scale invasion of Pakistan (even though Pakistan was listed for termination in "the plans for a new american century" as was Iraq, Afghanistan, Syris and Libya).

If we are running hypothetical scenarios which have no precedent, then why stop here.

If China is on Pakistan's side providing weapons and intel, then why can't US and Russians be on Indian side providing their most advance weapons to India ?