An Indo-Arab blunder?

[Indischer]

Who is this Mustafa El-Feki? Is he the Feku of the Arab world? His words make too much sense! Banish him to some godforsaken Western Country!

 

[JonAsad]

And look at the Israel advantages from this relationship.

Like?- does your support means anything?-

They will still be savages killing innocent children-

They have faught wars and won & survived without you-
You are not a player in that region-
Amrika is-

 

[SrNair]

Let us be honest here for a second.

What is it that India can give the Arab world (22 countries in total and about 450 million people) that fellow Muslim countries and main allies and trading partners such as USA, China, West Europe cannot give us?

On the other hand India is still largely dependent on natural resources originating from the Arab world due to the growing demand and very high population.

Also there are millions of Indian citizens working in the Arab world. I think that they send the most remittances back to india of all regions in the world.

On the other hand the Arab world (in particular the Arabian Peninsula across the Arabian Sea) and Northern/Western India have enjoyed an ancient cultural and trade connection that is still vivid to this day.



India does not need to be for or against Israel as they are not the main players in that conflict nor even located in the region. I struggle to see what weight India's words carry in Israel. Contrary to the words of for instance the US or EU.

India dont need to fulfill its need on the basic of remittances.But we are thankful to the Arab nations because of their welcoming attitude towards us.
You are right India still need resources of Arab World.But its all is just good business.
Like the article said we dont have an aim for policemen attitude or something like that.
Like you said it is not our issue and we dont want interfere on it.
But others must also stay away from our Kashmir issue.This is also not the Arab subject.

 

[Nadaan Parinda]

Let us be honest here for a second.

What is it that India can give the Arab world (22 countries in total and about 450 million people) that fellow Muslim countries and main allies and trading partners such as USA, China, West Europe cannot give us?

On the other hand India is still largely dependent on natural resources originating from the Arab world due to the growing demand and very high population.

Also there are millions of Indian citizens working in the Arab world. I think that they send the most remittances back to india of all regions in the world.

On the other hand the Arab world (in particular the Arabian Peninsula across the Arabian Sea) and Northern/Western India have enjoyed an ancient cultural and trade connection that is still vivid to this day.



India does not need to be for or against Israel as they are not the main players in that conflict nor even located in the region. I struggle to see what weight India's words carry in Israel. Contrary to the words of for instance the US or EU.

Arabs themselves do not support Palestinian cause except token statements, instead they keep slaughtering and backstabbing each other like medieval savages, besides bowing to their western masters. So I dont know how the rest of the world can be expected to speak for Arabs if they themselves do not want to unite and fight injustice

 

[SrNair]

Like?- does your support means anything?-

They will still be savages killing innocent children-

They have faught wars and won & survived without you-
You are not a player in that region-
Amrika is-

Our support indeed have its own weightage .After all we are the largest democratic nation in this world.You are right they can move without our support.
But Israel need India more than India needs Israel.Our relation with Israel is mainly on the basis of weapons trade.If we dont get weapons from them we will find weapons from other market and that is not a big problem.
But they need us.

 

[Contrarian]

So some Arab realize that Indians feel cheated by Arabs after getting India's blind support for Palestine.
Arabs aren't going to change and the proof is their anti-India resolution regarding Kashmir passed in OIC every year.

The Arabs are smart. They know that a statement in OIC would not affect India at all, that is tokenism, but in return they would have a Pakistan willing to shoot itself for them.

Our relations with Arabs are not bad at all. They are consistently neutral. They don't spoil their relations with India while getting a Pakistan for no cost by using a few 'brotherly country' proverbs and a little money here and there.

You have to give them credit where it is due. Had we been in Arab position, we would have followed the exact same policy.

India does not need to be for or against Israel as they are not the main players in that conflict nor even located in the region. I struggle to see what weight India's words carry in Israel. Contrary to the words of for instance the US or EU.

I agree completely.
But for how long will that be true?
One decade, two decades, three?

Interests and relations are formed based on what can be achieved and is possible, not what is currently.
India is growing faster than the global average each year. It is literally inevitable that we end up becoming the third or fourth largest economy in the world and third largest military power in the world.

But they need us.

No. They dont.
They 'might' need us in the future...when we are capable of projecting military power in that region and/or become a major cog in the middle eastern economy. Currently that is not the case and so they don't and neither do we.

Currently both India and Israel don't need each other, but add value to each other through trade and security. There is a big difference between the two aspects.

 

[Indischer]

Like?- does your support means anything?-

They will still be savages killing innocent children-

They have faught wars and won & survived without you-
You are not a player in that region-
Amrika is-

Our support to Israel might not mean anything as of now. But diplomacy is all about generating international legitimacy and nullifying any potential support for your adversary. India and China, by virtue of their population, are equally important. Bring them to your side and you have more than 35% of humanity agreeing with you.

Besides, in the same vein, what exactly does Pakistan's support to the Palestinian cause serve? The same as India? Because after all, it hasn't changed anything on the ground in favour of Palestine, has it?

 

[queerbait]

Like?- does your support means anything?-

They will still be savages killing innocent children-

They have faught wars and won & survived without you-
You are not a player in that region-
Amrika is-

The O.P is critisizing this exact attitude, that arab nations like you calculated that india does not matter in the middle east.True not right now, but surely the growing closeness of india and israel is not a welcoming sign for the arab nations, there are many ways with which now india can help israel...for ex their spy sattelite was recently launched by ISRO, space tech. coordination,joint ventures,intelligence sharing....and if and when india does get into UNSC..then surely its importance will increase.

 

[JonAsad]

Our support indeed have its own weightage .After all we are the largest democratic nation in this world.You are right they can move without our support.
But Israel need India more than India needs Israel.Our relation with Israel is mainly on the basis of weapons trade.If we dont get weapons from them we will find weapons from other market and that is not a big problem.
But they need us.

Your argument will hold weight if weapons export is the only survival option for Israel-

If money is the logic you need Arabs more than Israel and vice versa-

Our support to Israel might not mean anything as of now. But diplomacy is all about generating international legitimacy and nullifying any potential support for your adversary. India and China, by virtue of their population, are equally important. Bring them to your side and you have more than 35% of humanity agreeing with you.

Besides, in the same vein, what exactly does Pakistan's support to the Palestinian cause serve? The same as India? Because after all, it hasn't changed anything on the ground in favour of Palestine, has it?

Our support to Palestine is a selfless moral support to the people- regardless the Palestinians in return can give us nothing- and also keeping in mind the fact that Historically Palestinians were more favorable towards you guys than us-

 

[INDIC]

Besides, in the same vein, what exactly does Pakistan's support to the Palestinian cause serve? The same as India? Because after all, it hasn't changed anything on the ground in favour of Palestine, has it?

Only Western countries, Arab League, Iran and China are relevant in this middle East conflict.

 

[Indischer]

Our support to Palestine is a selfless moral support to the people- regardless the Palestinians in return can give us nothing- and also keeping in mind the fact that Historically Palestinians were more favorable to towards you guys than us-

Selfless or otherwise, it doesn't amount to anything on the ground if one goes by what you reasoned. Such relationships are important though, irrespective of what they can realistically achieve.

 

[JonAsad]

The O.P is critisizing this exact attitude, that arab nations like you calculated that india does not matter in the middle east.True not right now, but surely the growing closeness of india and israel is not a welcoming sign for the arab nations, there are many ways with which now india can help israel...for ex their spy sattelite was recently launched by ISRO, space tech. coordination,joint ventures,intelligence sharing....and if and when india does get into UNSC..then surely its importance will increase.

Let me just remind you majority of expat force in Arab countries are you guys the Indians- which contribute alot to your economy more than you could offer Israel in terms of military tech and technology-

and if it ever comes to the choice between Arabs or Israel considering the baniye nature of you guys (as evident from this thread all you talking about is money) we all know what you will choose-

 

[Indischer]

Only Western countries, Arab League, Iran and China are relevant in this middle East conflict.

I don't see a role for China either. US is a major player and the root of all this mess, while Iran does a splendid job as a nuisance factor. The Arab League is a joke, given that they hold all the aces to forcing an end to this conflict and yet choose to sit idly by.

 

[al-Hasani]

India dont need to fulfill its need on the basic of remittances.But we are thankful to the Arab nations because of their welcoming attitude towards us.
You are right India still need resources of Arab World.But its all is just good business.
Like the article said we dont have an aim for policemen attitude or something like that.
Like you said it is not our issue and we dont want interfere on it.
But others must also stay away from our Kashmir issue.This is also not the Arab subject.

I agree although I think that both the Arab world, India and everyone else has a right to voice their opinions on matters like the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and Kashmir. But I agree that interference will matter nothing as Kashmir is far away from the Arab world and vice versa. I think that in a ideal world that all nations should seek justice for all people but we know that this does not happen.

Arabs themselves do not support Palestinian cause except token statements, instead they keep slaughtering and backstabbing each other like medieval savages, besides bowing to their western masters. So I dont know how the rest of the world can be expected to speak for Arabs if they themselves do not want to unite and fight injustice

Idiotic troll. You don't deserve a serious reply. Open a book and figure out why.

 

[SrNair]

Your argument will hold weight if weapons export is the only survival option for Israel-

If money is the logic you need Arabs more than Israel and vice versa-



Our support to Palestine is a selfless moral support to the people- regardless the Palestinians in return can give us nothing- and also keeping in mind the fact that Historically Palestinians were more favorable to towards you guys than us-

But Arab dont need us.So why should we waste our time ?
We only care about our national interest, we have relation with Iran ,Israel and Saudi Arabia and we are also a staunch supporter of Palestinian cause .
Pakistan support is not a issue here.Arab world already have immense influence in Pakistan .So whole world know Pakistan policy is similar to that of Arab policy.
I dont know about Israel survival option.But they export billions of dollars of defence equipments in to India some times half of their exports is in India.