Amid uproar, Israel halts arms sales to Myanmar — report.

[UKBengali]

So when will India fall in line and cut relations with Myanmar?

 

[Mage]

That would have been diplomatic suicide.

Don't think so. Arabs were late to recognize BD due to their closeness with Pakistan. Israel recognized BD early. We should had done the same. There wouldn't had been much public uproar back then. Initially relation with Arabs may had been cold but eventually they would had fallen in line. But now establishing relation with Israel will cause huge uproar among public.

What Turkey did was wrong.Egypt and Jordan had no other choice.Their diplomatic relation with Israel is very cold.No other muslim countries should establish or normalize relation with Israel in it's current form. Only after Israel end it's occupation of the land seized in 1967 war and after establishing a sovereign Palestinian state in West Bank and Gaza,then all Muslim countries including Bangladesh should establish relation with Israel, not before.

Azerbaijan also have a very warm relation with Israel. There are many ways the situation between Israel and Palestine may evolve in the future. Forming our strategy based on this is perhaps not the best option. I don't think Israel ever harmed Bangladesh. Rationally speaking there is no point not having diplomatic relation with them. Unless you want to carry the baggage of Arabs. But sadly this is what we want.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Bangladesh should've established diplomatic ties with Israel right after independence. But now it's too late.

@Solomon2

Don't think so. Arabs were late to recognize BD due to their closeness with Pakistan. Israel recognized BD early. We should had done the same. There wouldn't had been much public uproar back then. Initially relation with Arabs may had been cold but eventually they would had fallen in line. But now establishing relation with Israel will cause huge uproar among public.

Bhai, you think too much unrealistic things...

Do you even know how much of our people became middle class from lower class just because of our No friendship with Israel policy?

Recognising Israel will be diplomatic and economic suicide. We will be the last country to recognise Israel.

Think before you speak. Don't be like Indians.

(Do you think any political party and person in Bangladesh got guts to speak about recognising Israel?)

 

[mike2000 is back]

does this ring the bell ? lol

No it has nothing to do with that. Israel's defence exports has nothing to do with the tiny trade between bengladesh and Israel. They are not mutually exclusive.
Israel barely considers bengladesh in its foreign policy and bengladesh doesn't even recognise Israel as a country. So the video you posted has nothing to do with this Israeli weapon sale restriction towards Myanmar. The reason for this move lies elsewhere. There are bigger issues at stake here.

Don't think so. Arabs were late to recognize BD due to their closeness with Pakistan. Israel recognized BD early. We should had done the same. There wouldn't had been much public uproar back then. Initially relation with Arabs may had been cold but eventually they would had fallen in line. But now establishing relation with Israel will cause huge uproar among public.

That would have drawn the ire of your islamists in bengladesh, thus leading to even more instability for bengladesh. Since I'm sure almost every bengladeshi Muslim is against recognising Israel, so i think bengladesh government was right not to recognise them. Stakes were too high for them. Same with Pakistan.

 

[Solomon2]

I didn't expected this.Good for Israeli civil society.
@Solomon2

I don't know, I've never heard of this French magazine.

Al-Jazeera English illustrates Myanmar's arms imports with this graphic:

So it's apparent the disproportional emphasis on Israeli arms exports to Burma is a matter of antisemitism - and won't do a thing to help the people oppressed by the Myanmar army.

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't know, I've never heard of this French magazine.

Al-Jazeera English illustrates Myanmar's arms imports with this graphic:

So it's apparent the disproportional emphasis on Israeli arms exports to Burma is a matter of antisemitism - and won't do a thing to help the people oppressed by the Myanmar army.

That's it throw the anti semantic card. So typical do the Zionist. You could have said regardless Israel is doing good or it's position with respect to genocide which the jews themselves suffered.....But noooo you want the money can't, let go of that and hence throw the anti genetic card. True Jewish Zionist racist facist

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

I don't know, I've never heard of this French magazine.

Al-Jazeera English illustrates Myanmar's arms imports with this graphic:

So it's apparent the disproportional emphasis on Israeli arms exports to Burma is a matter of antisemitism - and won't do a thing to help the people oppressed by the Myanmar army.

Well, we know Israel exports very little amount of weapons to burma compared others. But, you guys exported sophisticated high tech weapons and training to burma.

So, you helped them more than others...

 

[Solomon2]

That's it throw the anti semantic card. So typical do the Zionist.

You do not dispute my argument, just that I made it.

...You could have said regardless Israel is doing good or it's position with respect to genocide which the jews themselves suffered...you want the money can't, let go -

One, it's not clear if the report about Israel stopping arms exports is true and that's what I was asked my opinion of. So this criticism of yours is unjustified. That said -

Two, the Jews of Europe were murdered because they were Jews, not because of anything they or any other Jew did. There was no Jewish insurgency in Europe comparable to what appears to be a nascent insurgency in Burma. If there had been no insurgency in Burma the past few years - if Muslims hadn't taken up arms seeking their own state - if the RSO and Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army never existed and were denied support - do you think the Rohingyas would be suffering to such a great extent today?

Three, while the Myanmar army is intent on ethnic cleansing ("clearance operations") via mass migration, the Rohingya are at grave risk of further mass atrocities and even genocide, as the Myanmar army has a poor record on human rights issues.

Snow lake, do you really care about the Rohingyas? Then you can prove it by concentrating on issues that will make a true difference to them, not Israel-bashing.

Well, we know Israel exports very little amount of weapons to burma compared others. But, you guys exported sophisticated high tech weapons and training to burma. So, you helped them more than others...

How do you arrive at that judgment? You see how much more other countries have supplied Burma. Don't you think they provided training in proportion to that?

Israel recognized BD early. We should had done the same. There wouldn't had been much public uproar back then.

I agree. It would have been an affirmation that the right to self-determination was a moral stance of the new nation of Bangladesh, not just a narrow ethnic one.

Do you even know how much of our people became middle class from lower class just because of our No friendship with Israel policy?

Oooh, I want to hear the explanation for this one.

 

[Arthur]

Bangladesh should've established diplomatic ties with Israel right after independence. But now it's too late.

@Solomon2

Turkey(yeah the country everyone on PDF looks up to), Jordan, Egypt has diplomatic relation with Israel. Israel recognized BD, BD should had done the same. But BD always have valued relations with Arabs more. So diplomatic relation was not established. Now this issue has become a political one. Any govt that recognize Israel will shoot itself on the foot.

Palestinians fought against the Ottomans for the Brits. After British took Palestine the Arabs started to sell lands to Jews. Israel was created by British mandate. Palestinians have a lot to blame on their ancestors than evil Jews for their condition.

Don't think so. Arabs were late to recognize BD due to their closeness with Pakistan. Israel recognized BD early. We should had done the same. There wouldn't had been much public uproar back then. Initially relation with Arabs may had been cold but eventually they would had fallen in line. But now establishing relation with Israel will cause huge uproar among public.


Azerbaijan also have a very warm relation with Israel. There are many ways the situation between Israel and Palestine may evolve in the future. Forming our strategy based on this is perhaps not the best option. I don't think Israel ever harmed Bangladesh. Rationally speaking there is no point not having diplomatic relation with them. Unless you want to carry the baggage of Arabs. But sadly this is what we want.

Bhai, you think too much unrealistic things...

Do you even know how much of our people became middle class from lower class just because of our No friendship with Israel policy?

Recognising Israel will be diplomatic and economic suicide. We will be the last country to recognise Israel.

Think before you speak. Don't be like Indians.

(Do you think any political party and person in Bangladesh got guts to speak about recognising Israel?)

Bangladesh not recognizing Israel has zero to do with Arabs, Turks or any other ethnicity.

When you have time give a little read trough The Declaration of Independence of Bangladesh and The Constitution of The Peoples Republic of Bangladesh.

Will help you understand the whole situation much better.


Goodday.

 

[313ghazi]

You know its bad when even a apartheid israel refuses to work with you

You know what's really bad - despite that, Pakistan is fully willing to sell JF-17 to Myanmar. If it was up to me we would refuse to deal with them until they stopped the violence against the Rohingya. If the Chinese wish to sell it to them, they are welcome to, but we should have no involvement.

It's no surprise to be shamed by Israel in the fields of science or technology, but ethics and morality - that's an eye opening low.

 

[Solomon2]

@Homo Sapiens: I seem to recall that Muslim leaders in Burma issued a fatwa against terrorism last year? Is there any way to get these signatories to speak out prominently about the situation in Myanmar today? Their public commitment to peace gives them credibility and may pique the interest of international media.

 

[Chhatrapati]

So when will India fall in line and cut relations with Myanmar?

Myanmar do not need India to ward off the international pressure. They got one of the P-5 with a veto.

Please explain a reason why we should cut the relationship with Myanmar then later risk the insurgency in NE(Again). While we can issue 'concerned' statements, send some food, offer to mediate. That makes everyone happy.

 

[UKBengali]

Myanmar do not need India to ward off the international pressure. They got one of the P-5 with a veto.

Please explain a reason why we should cut the relationship with Myanmar then later risk the insurgency in NE(Again). While we can issue 'concerned' statements, send some food, offer to mediate. That makes everyone happy.

No-one is asking India to cut-off all relations with Myanmar. Just stop supporting them verbally and providing arms.

What do you as a Muslim think about the anti-Muslim bigot Modi being the only leader to visit Myanmar during the height of the ethnic cleansing and publicly support the vicious regime's treatment of the Rohingyas?

You know what's really bad - despite that, Pakistan is fully willing to sell JF-17 to Myanmar. If it was up to me we would refuse to deal with them until they stopped the violence against the Rohingya. If the Chinese wish to sell it to them, they are welcome to, but we should have no involvement.

It's no surprise to be shamed by Israel in the fields of science or technology, but ethics and morality - that's an eye opening low.

I am sure that the vast majority of Pakistani people want nothing to do with those savage Barmans.

Pakistani government should just dissassociate itself from the deal and BD/Rohingyas would be satisfied.

 

[Chhatrapati]

What do you as a Muslim think about the anti-Muslim bigot Modi being the only leader to visit Myanmar during the height of the ethnic cleansing and publicly support the vicious regime's treatment of the Rohingyas?

Looks like everyone wants my opinion on Modi as a 'Muslim'. Which I don't think is relevant on the issue. Because you can't expect any different attitude from congress either. The same congress was ruling when anti Bangladeshi riot happened in Assam. It has partly to do with the beliefs in different offices such as RAW, IB, FO, diplomatic offices that BD is partly responsible for the plight.

Just put Sonia Gandhi in place of Modi. She'll go to MM, make a loose concern over the issue, then your'll still be pissed off by the views and comments. Should I say, it's not the politicians it's the bureaucracy that calls the shot in FO (to a great extend). And a larger section in the bureaucracy still believes BD is resonsible for the plight of Rohingya minority. They have the case of our own states to compare to.

Now, I don't know what happens between India-Myanmar behind closed door, but I know you are getting a wind of it.

 

[UKBengali]

Looks like everyone wants my opinion on Modi as a 'Muslim'. Which I don't think is relevant on the issue. Because you can't expect any different attitude from congress either. The same congress was ruling when anti Bangladeshi riot happened in Assam. It has partly to do with the beliefs in different offices such as RAW, IB, FO, diplomatic offices that BD is partly responsible for the plight.

Just put Sonia Gandhi in place of Modi. She'll go to MM, make a loose concern over the issue, then your'll still be pissed off by the views and comments. Should I say, it's not the politicians it's the bureaucracy that calls the shot in FO (to a great extend). And a larger section in the bureaucracy still believes BD is resonsible for the plight of Rohingya minority. They have the case of our own states to compare to.

Now, I don't know what happens between India-Myanmar behind closed door, but I know you are getting a wind of it.

Cobblers. As if Modi was forced to go to Myanmar and publicly support those savages. He made his choice but knowing the anti-Muslim bigot he is, not exactly a surprise.

I feel for Muslims living in a such a bigotted country like India. Muslims have been killed by fanatical Hindus on suspicion of trading or carrying beef. None of this crap happens in BD to minorities. I suppose you have to show support for the Hindu state as otherwise they will turn on you like they did to the Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 - that kind of behaviour is unimaginable in BD. India is in essence a nation for and run by Hindus. Minorities have to know their place on pain of being slaughtered. Truly a sad world we live in and a pity through accident of birth that you are a citizen of this country.

This quite interesting and surprising. Why should Israel deprive its companies from making money by stop selling weapons to Myanmar while other Islamic countries like pakistan are selling their top range weapons to Myanmar?
It's like expecting China (Myanmars top weapon supplier and diplomatic backer) to stop selling weapons to Myanmar just because of some Rohingyas.
This crisis doesn't concern/affect Israel at all, so I fail to see why they would stop cooperating with a partner for no good reason whatsoever. Or maybe it was due to U. S pressure or something. This is interesting to see though. Let's see how things play out in future.

Due to US pressure and the money the Jews get from selling to Myanmar is peanuts - may be less than 1% of their total arm sales.