American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Jango]

According to inside sources, this was a botched operation.

the US/NATO routinely carries out operations INSIDE PAKISTAN (yeah, dont accept it, keep sleeping.. zzzZzz. the Locals call it a CHAPPAA). This time it was the same. They were carrying out an operation INSIDE pakistan and came under fire. Had to call in MORE air support. (maybe they had wrong intel..)

Due to the mountainous region and darkness (2 am in the night), they mistook Pakistan's post for the place where they had to do the operation (or thought the fire was from the base, which is NOT likely). And FRIED all the Pakistani Allies instead..

The fun part is: Our government ALREADY claims that CIA was told empty shamsi air base. When asked, they said NO operations are going on. This is old news.

BUT NOW, Government is saying to NATO to empty Shamsi Airbase.. what is this drama? Is government lying now or was it lying before?

Also, what about jacobabad bases? They are still with ISAF/NATO forces. Why aren't those being cleared out?

Edit: My bro's friend is a pilot in PAF (C-130). he says now flights have stopped (maye temporary) but before this, NATO had flights EVERYDAY inside Pakistan!


This comes from a liberal pro war paper which I hate!

Nothing new there. C-17's are a everyday sight at Chaklala airbase.

Shamsi airbase was now not being used for drone ops, rather only for logistics.

 

[K-Xeroid]

The message is loud and clear from the All Parties Conference (APC), hosted by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani

"Pakistan will protect its sovereignty at all costs. The declaration issued at the end of a marathon session, in which the leadership from all political parties sat with the army high command, is indicative of a strong political will of people of Pakistan that they stand united at a critical juncture and will spare no effort to defend the country s borders against any ill-conceived aggression".
What about All parties conference agenda?

 

[Jango]

Pakistani soldiers carry the coffins of their comrades who were killed in a NATO strike during a funeral ceremony in Peshawar on November 27, 2011. – AFP Photo

May they rest in peace and their death not go in vain.

Makes you want to tear your hair out.

 

[T-Rex]

Apache called airsupport in self defence !!!!

Here's uncle sam's explanation:

Nato air attack on Pakistani troops was self-defence, says senior western official


Jon Boone in Kabul and agencies
The Observer, Sunday 27 November 2011

An attack by Nato aircraft on Pakistani troops that allegedly killed as many as 28 soldiers and looks set to further poison relations between the US and Pakistan was an act of self-defence, a senior western official has claimed.

According to the Kabul-based official, a joint US-Afghan force operating in the mountainous Afghan frontier province of Kunar was the first to come under attack in the early hours of Saturday morning, forcing them to return fire.

The high death toll from an incident between two supposed allies suggests Nato helicopters and jets strafed Pakistani positions with heavy weapons.

The deadliest friendly fire incident since the start of the decade-long war also prompted Pakistan to ban Nato supply trucks from crossing into Afghanistan and to issue an order demanding the US quit the remote Shamsi airbase, from which the US has operated some unmanned drone aircraft. At border crossings, hundreds of supply trucks are reportedly stranded by the ban, with drivers fearing insurgents will take the opportunity to attack if they are not allowed to move.

A spokesman for Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it was "highly likely" that aircraft which had been called into the area to provide "close air support" to troops on the ground was responsible for causing casualties among the Pakistani soldiers.

For their part, a statement by the Pakistani military claimed that it was they who were attacked first, forcing them to respond to Nato's "aggression with all available weapons".

According to Pakistani officials the 40 or so soldiers stationed at the outposts were asleep at the time of the attack. Government officials said the two border posts that were attacked had recently been established to try to stop insurgents who use bases in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan from crossing the border and launching attacks.

Afghan intelligence say the US-Afghan force was conducting operations against suspected Taliban training camps in the area.

The Obama administration promised a full investigation. Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, and Leon Panetta, the defence secretary, issued a joint statement saying they had each spoken to their Pakistani counterparts to express their condolences for the loss of life.

Pakistan was blunt that the killings represented a serious setback for the two countries' tattered alliance. The prime minister's office said the foreign minister, Hina Rabbani Khar, told Clinton on Sunday that the attack was unacceptable, showed complete disregard for human life and had sparked rage within Pakistan.

The vagueness of the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is one potential, and relatively innocent, explanation for the incident. Drawn up by the British Raj in 1893, there is little agreement on where the so-called Durand Line actually falls, meaning troops from either side of the border can wander into the neighbouring country without realising it. One senior military official said that, in places, rival maps have discrepancies of "multiples of kilometres – sometimes as much as five kilometres".

Much of the fighting in Afghanistan is conducted by guerrillas based a short distance inside Pakistan. Nato forces are not allowed to cross the border and militants sometimes fire artillery and rockets across the line from locations close to Pakistani army posts.

And yet both sides have worked hard to try and minimise any confusion. The attack happened just a day after John Allen, the US commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, met with Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, the Pakistani army chief, to discuss enhanced co-operation on the border.

But a more troubling explanation would be that insurgents in the area were operating under the nose of Pakistani security forces. Many Afghan officials believe Pakistan helps the Taliban with cross-border operations.

Edrees Momand of the Afghan Border Police said that a US-Afghan force in the area near the Pakistani outposts detained several militants on Saturday morning.

"I am not aware of the casualties on the other side of the border but those we have detained aren't Afghan Taliban," he said, implying they may have been Pakistani or other foreign national Taliban operating in Afghanistan.

Whatever the outcome of investigations, the incident is likely to do yet more damage to the critical relationship between the US and Pakistan. The alliance between the two countries has been repeatedly battered in the past year, first by the jailing of a CIA contractor and then by US special forces who raided deep inside Pakistani territory and killed Osama bin Laden.

More recently the US has accused Pakistan of backing a militant group who launched a 20-hour attack on the US embassy in Kabul.

Washington believes Pakistan continues to support the Taliban, a movement it publicly backed in the 1990s, in order to have influence in Afghanistan. But at the same time as supporting the enemies of the US, Pakistan remains crucial to the military mission in Afghanistan.

John Allen was quick to release a statement saying the incident had his "highest personal attention".

"My most sincere and personal heartfelt condolences go out to the families and loved ones of any members of Pakistan security forces who may have been killed or injured," he said.

Islamabad reacted with fury to the attack.

"This is an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty," said Pakistan's prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani. "We will not let any harm come to Pakistan's sovereignty and solidarity."

In a statement General Kayani promised "all necessary steps be undertaken for an effective response to this irresponsible act.

"A strong protest has been launched with Nato/Isaf in which it has been demanded that strong and urgent action be taken against those responsible for this aggression."

A cabinet committee convened by Gilani said the government would launch a complete review of its diplomatic, political, military and intelligence relationships with the US.

The vast bulk of Nato supplies arrive in Afghanistan by trucks that haul equipment up from the port of Karachi to the Khyber Pass, a key crossing point over the mountainous border into Afghanistan.

The shutting down of the border to Nato traffic has happened in the past during periods of Pakistani displeasure with Afghanistan and its foreign backers.

A similar incident last year in which two Pakistani troops were killed led to the closure of one of Nato's supply routes for ten days.

However, in recent years the alliance has opened up alternative supply routes through Central Asia, reducing its reliance on the route through Pakistan.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Indians are requested to confine their remarks to expressing sympathy, instead of arguing various petty points.

Pakistanis may also note that there could also be false-flaggers stirring up arguments and resentments purposely.

 

[Jango]

Here's uncle sam's explanation:

Nato air attack on Pakistani troops was self-defence, says senior western official


Jon Boone in Kabul and agencies
The Observer, Sunday 27 November 2011

An attack by Nato aircraft on Pakistani troops that allegedly killed as many as 28 soldiers and looks set to further poison relations between the US and Pakistan was an act of self-defence, a senior western official has claimed.

According to the Kabul-based official, a joint US-Afghan force operating in the mountainous Afghan frontier province of Kunar was the first to come under attack in the early hours of Saturday morning, forcing them to return fire.

The high death toll from an incident between two supposed allies suggests Nato helicopters and jets strafed Pakistani positions with heavy weapons.

The deadliest friendly fire incident since the start of the decade-long war also prompted Pakistan to ban Nato supply trucks from crossing into Afghanistan and to issue an order demanding the US quit the remote Shamsi airbase, from which the US has operated some unmanned drone aircraft. At border crossings, hundreds of supply trucks are reportedly stranded by the ban, with drivers fearing insurgents will take the opportunity to attack if they are not allowed to move.

A spokesman for Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it was "highly likely" that aircraft which had been called into the area to provide "close air support" to troops on the ground was responsible for causing casualties among the Pakistani soldiers.

For their part, a statement by the Pakistani military claimed that it was they who were attacked first, forcing them to respond to Nato's "aggression with all available weapons".

According to Pakistani officials the 40 or so soldiers stationed at the outposts were asleep at the time of the attack. Government officials said the two border posts that were attacked had recently been established to try to stop insurgents who use bases in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan from crossing the border and launching attacks.

Afghan intelligence say the US-Afghan force was conducting operations against suspected Taliban training camps in the area.

The Obama administration promised a full investigation. Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, and Leon Panetta, the defence secretary, issued a joint statement saying they had each spoken to their Pakistani counterparts to express their condolences for the loss of life.

Pakistan was blunt that the killings represented a serious setback for the two countries' tattered alliance. The prime minister's office said the foreign minister, Hina Rabbani Khar, told Clinton on Sunday that the attack was unacceptable, showed complete disregard for human life and had sparked rage within Pakistan.

The vagueness of the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is one potential, and relatively innocent, explanation for the incident. Drawn up by the British Raj in 1893, there is little agreement on where the so-called Durand Line actually falls, meaning troops from either side of the border can wander into the neighbouring country without realising it. One senior military official said that, in places, rival maps have discrepancies of "multiples of kilometres – sometimes as much as five kilometres".

Much of the fighting in Afghanistan is conducted by guerrillas based a short distance inside Pakistan. Nato forces are not allowed to cross the border and militants sometimes fire artillery and rockets across the line from locations close to Pakistani army posts.

And yet both sides have worked hard to try and minimise any confusion. The attack happened just a day after John Allen, the US commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, met with Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, the Pakistani army chief, to discuss enhanced co-operation on the border.

But a more troubling explanation would be that insurgents in the area were operating under the nose of Pakistani security forces. Many Afghan officials believe Pakistan helps the Taliban with cross-border operations.

Edrees Momand of the Afghan Border Police said that a US-Afghan force in the area near the Pakistani outposts detained several militants on Saturday morning.

"I am not aware of the casualties on the other side of the border but those we have detained aren't Afghan Taliban," he said, implying they may have been Pakistani or other foreign national Taliban operating in Afghanistan.

Whatever the outcome of investigations, the incident is likely to do yet more damage to the critical relationship between the US and Pakistan. The alliance between the two countries has been repeatedly battered in the past year, first by the jailing of a CIA contractor and then by US special forces who raided deep inside Pakistani territory and killed Osama bin Laden.

More recently the US has accused Pakistan of backing a militant group who launched a 20-hour attack on the US embassy in Kabul.

Washington believes Pakistan continues to support the Taliban, a movement it publicly backed in the 1990s, in order to have influence in Afghanistan. But at the same time as supporting the enemies of the US, Pakistan remains crucial to the military mission in Afghanistan.

John Allen was quick to release a statement saying the incident had his "highest personal attention".

"My most sincere and personal heartfelt condolences go out to the families and loved ones of any members of Pakistan security forces who may have been killed or injured," he said.

Islamabad reacted with fury to the attack.

"This is an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty," said Pakistan's prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani. "We will not let any harm come to Pakistan's sovereignty and solidarity."

In a statement General Kayani promised "all necessary steps be undertaken for an effective response to this irresponsible act.

"A strong protest has been launched with Nato/Isaf in which it has been demanded that strong and urgent action be taken against those responsible for this aggression."

A cabinet committee convened by Gilani said the government would launch a complete review of its diplomatic, political, military and intelligence relationships with the US.

The vast bulk of Nato supplies arrive in Afghanistan by trucks that haul equipment up from the port of Karachi to the Khyber Pass, a key crossing point over the mountainous border into Afghanistan.

The shutting down of the border to Nato traffic has happened in the past during periods of Pakistani displeasure with Afghanistan and its foreign backers.

A similar incident last year in which two Pakistani troops were killed led to the closure of one of Nato's supply routes for ten days.

However, in recent years the alliance has opened up alternative supply routes through Central Asia, reducing its reliance on the route through Pakistan.

Self defence? Uh, I am sorry, but you dont fry a company HQ like this in self defence, all the while that HQ had small arms only. No Ack Ack, no anti-air units, no Air defence platoons..

What were they defending themselves against BTW? Taliban running , and they kill Pakistan army soldiers?

 

[BATMAN]

@ T-Rex...your post answer nothing?

Why does suspected Taliban positions were not shared with PA?

Doesn't those idiots habitual? and knows on border there can be Pakistan army posted upon their repeated requests?

Only president and PM of Pakistan holds the key in democratic rule protected by iftikhar ch.

 

[GURU DUTT]

No offence to any pakistani member & with my deepest condolences to the near& dears of the victims!!some time back on star movies i saw a movie named colours in that senior cop tells a story of two bull(father & son & their views about a bunch of cows)seems like america is doing the same here ?????only diff. is that instead of cows their target is haqqanee , talibaan& there supporters , again my post is not against pakistanies in general , Thanks .

 

[Al Bhatti]

The message is loud and clear from the All Parties Conference (APC), hosted by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani

"Pakistan will protect its sovereignty at all costs. The declaration issued at the end of a marathon session, in which the leadership from all political parties sat with the army high command, is indicative of a strong political will of people of Pakistan that they stand united at a critical juncture and will spare no effort to defend the country s borders against any ill-conceived aggression".

1) Pakistan's sovereignty is violated

2) a get together for these people takes place with condemnation condolences sent as official response.

3) during the closed door meeting they secretly decide how much more to ask for their bank accounts.

4) public cools down after the hyper ego and all of it goes to vain, and the politicians have in the meantime get what they want from the USA.

5) repeat from point 1

 

[K-Xeroid]

1) Pakistan's sovereignty is violated

2) a get together for these people takes place with condemnation condolences sent as official response.

3) during the closed door meeting they secretly decide how much more to ask for their bank accounts.

4) public cools down after the hyper ego and all of it goes to vain, and the politicians have in the meantime get what they want from the USA.5) repeat from point 1

Agree with you... But don't you think public have so many divided preceptions, Don't you think they are equally involve in repeating mistakes...?

 

[BATMAN]

Indians are requested to confine their remarks to expressing sympathy, instead of arguing various petty points.

Pakistanis may also note that there could also be false-flaggers stirring up arguments and resentments purposely.

Yes... 'alwayas neutral' 'truth seker' etc.. all are bhartis false flaggers

Bhartis are habitual and simpleton Pakistanis shall always rethink while sympathizing with bhartis.

 

[Omar1984]

Not only PPP majority politicians are american puppets.

You are right everyone is American puppet except PTI and maybe Jamat-e-Islami.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

You are right everyone is American puppet except PTI and maybe Jamat-e-Islami.

Lets see,"oont kis karwat Baithta hai."

 

[Devil Soul]

Pakistan troop deaths 'tragic, unintended': NATO chief

Updated 10 minutes ago

BRUSSELS: NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Sunday he had written to Pakistan premier Yousuf Raza Gilani to express regret over the "tragic, unintended" deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in an airstrike.

"I have written to the Prime Minister of Pakistan to make it clear that the deaths of Pakistani personnel are as unacceptable and deplorable as the deaths of Afghan and international personnel," he said in a statement. "This was a tragic unintended incident."

 

[Devil Soul]

Pakistan protests to Afghanistan over NATO attack
Submitted 24 mins ago

Pakistan has protested to the government of Afghanistan over the attacks launched by NATO helicopters and aircrafts from Afghan soil into Pakistani territory.
According to foreign office statement issued here on Sunday, the protest underscores that the use of Afghan territory against Pakistan by NATO/ISAF is also a violation of ISAF's mandate for operations in Afghanistan.
The protest adds that Afghanistan should take necessary measures to ensure that such acts are not carried out from its territory against Pakistan.
It is pertinent to mention that at least 24 soldiers were killed and 16 other injured in the air strike launched by NATO in Mohmand agency, along Afghan border, on Saturday.
The political and military leadership in Pakistan has conveyed strong reaction over the incident. After the attack the government called in Defense’s Cabinet committee emergency meeting that ordered US to vacate Shamsi airbase and immediately suspended NATO supplies to Afghanistan via Pakistan.
Pakistan had also lodged protest with NATO headquarters in Brussels and Obama administration in Washington.
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