American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'
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if Pakstan can announce that NATO and US have no trust in Pakistan and Pakistan made its conclusion based on first hand evidence and eyewitness period then all these fabricated stories and propagana spin would have no value at all.
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BTW, if it makes you feel better, the same holds true (though will take a little bit longer) in a battle between India and USA too... There is Patriotism, and then there is foolish optimism.. One needs to know the difference between the 2
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Well , the ISPR has already done that ... Called it as deliberate ... Nobody's gonna believe the US version of events whenever it comes out and whatever they write or show ...
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So now if anyone was having doubts that Parliament will chicken out & will Sent a representative should be at ease . because even thought at gun point by Army they atleast have decided to stick with a decision , and by Pakistan no attending Bonn conference it will be just a Expensive trip for leaders of 90 or so countries , Since there will no Pakistan so there will be No Taliban either , & Iran is also not attending .
Well Then best of Luck US/NATO lets see how you find a solution for Afg stability without us .
Well Then best of Luck US/NATO lets see how you find a solution for Afg stability without us .
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Pakistan official denies OK given for NATO air strike
(Reuters) - A Pakistani official Friday denied a Western newspaper report that Pakistani officials gave the go-ahead to a NATO air strike that killed 24 troops, unaware that their own forces were in the area.
Last weekend's cross-border attack has caused public outrage in Pakistan, where the government has pulled out of next week's international conference on Afghanistan and threatened to end support for the U.S.-led war there if its sovereignty is violated again.
The U.S. officials, giving their first detailed explanation of the worst friendly-fire incident of the 10-year-old war, told the Wall Street Journal an Afghan-led assault force that included U.S. commandos was hunting Taliban militants when it came under fire from an encampment along the border with Pakistan.
The commandos thought they were being fired on by militants but they turned out to be Pakistani military personnel who had established a temporary campsite, they were quoted as saying.
According to the initial U.S. account from the field, the commandos requested air strikes against the encampment, prompting the team to contact a joint border-control center to determine whether Pakistani forces were in the area, a U.S. official said.
The border-control center is manned by U.S., Afghan and Pakistani representatives. But the U.S. and Afghan forces conducting the November 26 commando operation had not notified the center in advance that they planned to strike Taliban insurgents near that part of the border, the official said.
When called, the Pakistani representatives at the center said there were no Pakistani military forces in the area identified by the commandos, clearing the way for the air strikes, the U.S. officials said.
A Pakistani military official categorically denied the Journal's account, saying the aircraft had already engaged when Pakistan was contacted.
"Wrong information about the area of operation was provided to Pakistani officials a few minutes before the strike," said the official, who was not authorized to speak to the media.
"Without getting clearance from the Pakistan side, the post had already been engaged by U.S. helicopters and fighter jets. Pakistan did not have any prior information about any operation in the area."
Washington has called it a tragic accident and offered its condolences, promising a full investigation. It has not apologized.
"There were lots of mistakes made," the newspaper quoted an official as saying.
The Journal said U.S. officials have in the past expressed reservations about notifying the Pakistanis about operations, concerned the missions' details could leak out.
It added that the officials cautioned that the preliminary account was based mainly on interviews with members of the commando team and could change as more information is gathered.
A formal report on the incident is due to be completed by U.S. military investigators by December 23.
Pakistan official denies OK given for NATO air strike | Reuters
(Reuters) - A Pakistani official Friday denied a Western newspaper report that Pakistani officials gave the go-ahead to a NATO air strike that killed 24 troops, unaware that their own forces were in the area.
Last weekend's cross-border attack has caused public outrage in Pakistan, where the government has pulled out of next week's international conference on Afghanistan and threatened to end support for the U.S.-led war there if its sovereignty is violated again.
The U.S. officials, giving their first detailed explanation of the worst friendly-fire incident of the 10-year-old war, told the Wall Street Journal an Afghan-led assault force that included U.S. commandos was hunting Taliban militants when it came under fire from an encampment along the border with Pakistan.
The commandos thought they were being fired on by militants but they turned out to be Pakistani military personnel who had established a temporary campsite, they were quoted as saying.
According to the initial U.S. account from the field, the commandos requested air strikes against the encampment, prompting the team to contact a joint border-control center to determine whether Pakistani forces were in the area, a U.S. official said.
The border-control center is manned by U.S., Afghan and Pakistani representatives. But the U.S. and Afghan forces conducting the November 26 commando operation had not notified the center in advance that they planned to strike Taliban insurgents near that part of the border, the official said.
When called, the Pakistani representatives at the center said there were no Pakistani military forces in the area identified by the commandos, clearing the way for the air strikes, the U.S. officials said.
A Pakistani military official categorically denied the Journal's account, saying the aircraft had already engaged when Pakistan was contacted.
"Wrong information about the area of operation was provided to Pakistani officials a few minutes before the strike," said the official, who was not authorized to speak to the media.
"Without getting clearance from the Pakistan side, the post had already been engaged by U.S. helicopters and fighter jets. Pakistan did not have any prior information about any operation in the area."
Washington has called it a tragic accident and offered its condolences, promising a full investigation. It has not apologized.
"There were lots of mistakes made," the newspaper quoted an official as saying.
The Journal said U.S. officials have in the past expressed reservations about notifying the Pakistanis about operations, concerned the missions' details could leak out.
It added that the officials cautioned that the preliminary account was based mainly on interviews with members of the commando team and could change as more information is gathered.
A formal report on the incident is due to be completed by U.S. military investigators by December 23.
Pakistan official denies OK given for NATO air strike | Reuters
do you think anyone cares? do you think that once the air assets of NATO started attacking your positions, the same was not relayed back to the respective formation headquarters? Do you think all soldiers were killed simultaneously that message that they were under air attack could not be passed? If anyone in Pakistan believes that then they deserve to be treated like crap like has been done.
US coolly killed your troops, roamed around the area for 02 hours and you guys could do noting except make impotent statements .... and praise your COAS's stupid statement of giving permission to troops to retaliate. In all likelihood your top brass including your Army Brass was in loop and they did nothing knowing they can do nothing. You engage US forces in air battle once, and then you see the fun.
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Ofcourse a go ahead was given by Pakistan, that is why for two hours you could not scramble your aircrafts for strikes back at air assets which attacked your troops. Why waste bandwidth? You guys have had it. All have sold you too down the drain
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Can you think of any reason why would they need to stay airborne in Pakistani airspace for 2 hours burning expensive fuel if the operation was completed in minutes ? How do you guys even believe such lies actually ?
Yeah the public consumption is being done by boycotting Bon conference , shutting off NATO supplies completely and vacating Shamsi Airbase ... So much only for public consumption and fake remorse
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Rumors abound that the gun cam footage from one of the choppers has been leaked and may be aired on some news channel. Keep your eyes and ears open, it will be quite damning to at least one side.
It may be false, but I heard about it, so I thought I'd tell you all who can start hunting for it.
It may be false, but I heard about it, so I thought I'd tell you all who can start hunting for it.
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Please post a link as soon as you find it.
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Deliberately leaked you mean ? ... Does NATO usually record every single video of its operation this way ?
Or PSYOPS has begun again ...
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Pakistan military ordered to return fire if attacked by Nato forces
Pakistan's military commanders have ordered their troops to return fire if they come under attack from Nato forces, raising the prospect of further deadly clashes along the country's border with Afghanistan.
General Ashfaq Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, gave the new order in response to the recent deaths of 24 soldiers when their border posts came under fire from Nato helicopters.
Kayani is under immense pressure from within his own ranks over the two-hour bombardment by the helicopters of an ally, to which the Pakistani air force did not respond. The incident piled further humiliation on a military still stung by the US special forces operation in May that killed Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan.
"I want to emphasise and leave no ambiguity in the rules of engagement for everyone down the chain of command," Kayani said in a letter to his troops.
"When under attack, you have full liberty of action to respond with all capabilities at your disposal. This will require no clearance at any level.
"I have very clearly directed that any act of aggression will be responded to with full force, regardless of the cost and consequences." (if anyone asks me, ill say that the bold part is the only thing which matters in this whole article)
The communique, issued in Urdu, will be read out by local commanders to their soldiers.
Kayani also said that the air force did not respond to the Nato attack "due to breakdown of communication with the affected posts".
The move effectively transforms the role of more than 100,000 Pakistan troops deployed along its western border from counterinsurgency to border protection duty.
The Nato attack happened on the border between the Afghan province of Kunar and the Mohmand part of Pakistan's tribal area. The border posts were 300 metres inside Pakistani territory.
Pakistan claims the attack was "unprovoked" and continued even after it alerted Nato to the fact that its post was coming under fire.
US officials have claimed a combined Afghan and US special forces squad operating close to the border came under fire from suspected militants on the Pakistani side, and that they responded by calling in air support.
But a senior Pakistani military officer said US officials supplied the wrong co-ordinates for the proposed strike, and then launched the attack "without getting clearance from the Pakistani side".
"It was an unprovoked and indiscriminate attack by US helicopters and fighter jets," he said.
He denied an account by American officials, carried in Friday's Wall Street Journal, that they had checked the location with Pakistan first and the fatal strike had been given the go-ahead.
An investigation by the US military is under way.
In retaliation for the incident, Pakistan has blocked the transit of Nato supplies through its territory, ended the US use of an airbase and is boycotting next week's high-level international meeting on Afghanistan in Bonn.
Pakistan's co-operation is considered vital to stabilising Afghanistan and pushing the Taliban into peace talks.
Pakistan military ordered to return fire if attacked by Nato forces | World news | The Guardian
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sure. anything else u would lik to put across?? I am carefully listening
Pakistan's military commanders have ordered their troops to return fire if they come under attack from Nato forces, raising the prospect of further deadly clashes along the country's border with Afghanistan.
General Ashfaq Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, gave the new order in response to the recent deaths of 24 soldiers when their border posts came under fire from Nato helicopters.
Kayani is under immense pressure from within his own ranks over the two-hour bombardment by the helicopters of an ally, to which the Pakistani air force did not respond. The incident piled further humiliation on a military still stung by the US special forces operation in May that killed Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan.
"I want to emphasise and leave no ambiguity in the rules of engagement for everyone down the chain of command," Kayani said in a letter to his troops.
"When under attack, you have full liberty of action to respond with all capabilities at your disposal. This will require no clearance at any level.
"I have very clearly directed that any act of aggression will be responded to with full force, regardless of the cost and consequences." (if anyone asks me, ill say that the bold part is the only thing which matters in this whole article)
The communique, issued in Urdu, will be read out by local commanders to their soldiers.
Kayani also said that the air force did not respond to the Nato attack "due to breakdown of communication with the affected posts".
The move effectively transforms the role of more than 100,000 Pakistan troops deployed along its western border from counterinsurgency to border protection duty.
The Nato attack happened on the border between the Afghan province of Kunar and the Mohmand part of Pakistan's tribal area. The border posts were 300 metres inside Pakistani territory.
Pakistan claims the attack was "unprovoked" and continued even after it alerted Nato to the fact that its post was coming under fire.
US officials have claimed a combined Afghan and US special forces squad operating close to the border came under fire from suspected militants on the Pakistani side, and that they responded by calling in air support.
But a senior Pakistani military officer said US officials supplied the wrong co-ordinates for the proposed strike, and then launched the attack "without getting clearance from the Pakistani side".
"It was an unprovoked and indiscriminate attack by US helicopters and fighter jets," he said.
He denied an account by American officials, carried in Friday's Wall Street Journal, that they had checked the location with Pakistan first and the fatal strike had been given the go-ahead.
An investigation by the US military is under way.
In retaliation for the incident, Pakistan has blocked the transit of Nato supplies through its territory, ended the US use of an airbase and is boycotting next week's high-level international meeting on Afghanistan in Bonn.
Pakistan's co-operation is considered vital to stabilising Afghanistan and pushing the Taliban into peace talks.
Pakistan military ordered to return fire if attacked by Nato forces | World news | The Guardian
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sure. anything else u would lik to put across?? I am carefully listening
Can you think of any reason why would they need to stay airborne in Pakistani airspace for 2 hours burning expensive fuel if the operation was completed in minutes ? How do you guys even believe such lies actually ?
Yeah the public consumption is being done by boycotting Bon conference , shutting off NATO supplies completely and vacating Shamsi Airbase ... So much only for public consumption and fake remorse
Bro can you think of ANY DAMNNED reason why foreign aircrafts were in PAK airspace AFTER ATTACKING PAKISTANI TROOPS and NOT ONE BLOODY AIRCRAFT could be mustered by PAF?
Just think.
And as if your boycotting the BONN CONFERENCE is end of the world .... who really does care about Pakistan? Play the devil and soon your *** will be on line too. Today no one is bothered if you have to be hit .... do you think anyone cares?
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