The US fought japan for its own interests. What you said has absolutely no bearing on the facts I stated. They were two colonial empires contesting one another.
America and China: Another Big Powers Understanding in the Making?
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How many millionaires are there ? Not really a good example.Why do you think so many Chinese millionaires want to move there?
More than a third of Chinese millionaires want to leave China, here's where they want to go
The U.S. topped the list as the most popular destination for the fourth year in a row for its strong education system, cleaner air and better food safety. The Trump administration's tax plan also got high marks from respondents.www.cnbc.com
How about the Millions of Indians living and working in the Middle East. Hindus hate Muslims. So I would think the reason is 100% economic.
Not to mention that there are over 1Million Chinese living and working in Africa. How is that not about economic.
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The highest number of Indians abroad are living in the United Arab Emirates, where the 3.42 million Indians comprise about one-fourth of all Indians abroad. The UAE is followed by:
- Saudi Arabia (2,594,947)
- US (1,280,000)
- Kuwait (1,029,861)
- Oman (779,351)
- Qatar (756,062)
- Nepal (500,000)
- UK (351,000)
- Singapore (350,000)
- Bahrain (323,292)
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The real information here is in the reasons WHY, not the absolute number, but I can predict you will refuse to see them. We are done here.
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[This thread was moved to such a wrong location! It should be in the World Affairs forum]. The Fall of Kabul to the Taliban opens up America to other opportunities, as my OP hinted toward. The implications of those policies are global. As I have been saying in this forum, Germany would lead a different way to engage with Afghanistan, and now it appears France too. The news below maybe about different approaches to deal with China from the West but, to me, there is unmistakable rift starting in the West. Some Europeans countries are already upset that America basically ignored them while exiting Afghanistan and have been sulking since then.
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“This looks like a new geopolitical order without binding alliances,” Nicole Bacharan, an expert on French-American relations, said. “To confront China, the United States appears to have chosen a different alliance, with the Anglo-Saxon world confronting France.” She predicted a “very hard” period in the old friendship between Paris and Washington.
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Rather, Mr. Macron wants France to lead the E.U. toward a middle course between the two great powers, demonstrating the “European strategic autonomy” that stands at the core of his vision. He has spoken about an autonomous Europe operating “beside America and China.”
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The European Union released a long statement Thursday called “The E.U. Strategy for Cooperation in the Indo-Pacific,” committing European nations to deeper involvement at all levels in the region. It said the bloc would pursue “multifaceted engagement with China,” cooperating “on issues of common interest” while “pushing back where fundamental disagreement exists with China, such as on human rights.”
The wording broadly reflected Mr. Macron’s quest for a policy that does not risk rupture with China but does not bow to Beijing either. France said the strategy confirmed “its desire for very ambitious action in this region aimed at preserving the ‘freedom of sovereignty’ of all.”
In Submarine Deal With Australia, U.S. Counters China but Enrages France (Published 2021)
The reaction signals a widening rift among Western allies over China. French officials accused President Biden of acting like his predecessor.
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“This looks like a new geopolitical order without binding alliances,” Nicole Bacharan, an expert on French-American relations, said. “To confront China, the United States appears to have chosen a different alliance, with the Anglo-Saxon world confronting France.” She predicted a “very hard” period in the old friendship between Paris and Washington.
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Rather, Mr. Macron wants France to lead the E.U. toward a middle course between the two great powers, demonstrating the “European strategic autonomy” that stands at the core of his vision. He has spoken about an autonomous Europe operating “beside America and China.”
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The European Union released a long statement Thursday called “The E.U. Strategy for Cooperation in the Indo-Pacific,” committing European nations to deeper involvement at all levels in the region. It said the bloc would pursue “multifaceted engagement with China,” cooperating “on issues of common interest” while “pushing back where fundamental disagreement exists with China, such as on human rights.”
The wording broadly reflected Mr. Macron’s quest for a policy that does not risk rupture with China but does not bow to Beijing either. France said the strategy confirmed “its desire for very ambitious action in this region aimed at preserving the ‘freedom of sovereignty’ of all.”
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He is not the only one having pipedreams about playing mediator between the two giants, trying to have them both bid for their tilt. This approach will simply not work for France, or anyone else.
Libya, Syria, Yemen, Chad, Expansion of drone warfare in Pakistan.
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Who is the other one? Pakistan?? Can't be.
Anyway, European countries are themselves to be blamed for going along with every American policy of foreign wars and also becoming part of the contain the Soviets, then contain the Russians, and then contain China policies. European leaders should have known that they don't have the luxury like America has of two giant oceans and only two friendly neighbors shielding them. Instability in northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Eurasian continent was going to eventually make it to Europe. Europe is a very rich region and could have used its financial muscle to lift up those regions economically. Sort of like what China is doing with BRI. But being America's $itch was too enticing to them. As they say Karma is a $itch!
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Europe can never hope to attain the centrality it wishes for without taking on the responsibility and the expense of their own defense, with the inevitable consequences for their social safety nets.
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So... if what we see in the article below is the way America is going to be heading, after the pull out from Afghanistan, the 'pivot' to the Pacific and to contain China is still on the table. Or maybe these submarines are just another way to employ tens of thousands of Americans in the defense industry. We shall see soon...
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After years of promising to pivot to Asia, first under President Barack Obama and now Biden, the United States is finally making a sizable first step in that direction, said Ashley Townshend, a defense expert at the United States Studies Centre in Sydney.
“This is a tectonic development,” he said of the submarine deal. “It is exceedingly significant for Australian security.”
Both experts said the alliance, dubbed AUKUS, was clearly aimed at countering China’s growing military might in the region, though Biden, Morrison and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson were careful to avoid mentioning the country in their joint news conference.
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After years of promising to pivot to Asia, first under President Barack Obama and now Biden, the United States is finally making a sizable first step in that direction, said Ashley Townshend, a defense expert at the United States Studies Centre in Sydney.
“This is a tectonic development,” he said of the submarine deal. “It is exceedingly significant for Australian security.”
Both experts said the alliance, dubbed AUKUS, was clearly aimed at countering China’s growing military might in the region, though Biden, Morrison and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson were careful to avoid mentioning the country in their joint news conference.
Coastal China accounts for huge chunk of the population. Without American help Soviets falls to Nazis. Japan occupies East & SE Asia.
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Err .... no. Back in the 1930s majority of Chinese were peasant. Only recently that over 50% of China's population are urbanized.
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Urbanization in China increased in speed following the initiation of the reform and opening policy. As of 2020, 60.6% of the total population lived in urban areas, a dramatic increase from 17.92% in 1978.
Oh without China's help US could not have bomb Tokyo in 1942 in the Doolittle Raid. Then China and US were allies. We both help each other. Why do you think China has a seat at the UNSC with veto power.
And Japanese still write and read Han Zi. That will never change.
Urban or rural most folks lived in the Coastal provinces and provinces next to it
Nothing changes the fact without American help Germany and Japan could not be beaten
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Japan was one of the most powerful country when they invaded China and when China was in a civil war and in chaos. Basically looting a burning house. Yet China fought Japan for 4 years on its own.
China has strategic depth. China could fight Japan for a very very long time.
And it's Stalin USSR that broke the back of Germany.
And Japanese still read and write Chinese.
Without USA Nazi Germany beats the USSR
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