Allegation of using Afghanistan against Pakistan

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I’m trying to figure out brother @KhalaiMakhlooq where exactly you are coming from.

I don’t quite understand what source of information to you is brainwashing and propaganda and what is not.

What would you consider as neutral sources of information? Any news site or video channel?

You sound like you support Afghanistan’s government at times, others you are favoring the US, and then you also do the same for Pakistan, although you are full of more criticism of Pakistan than any others.

No doubt, Pakistani governments have had no real policy for the last 17 years and have been reactionary at best. Countering severe allegations with only verbal statements was no way to run foreign policy.

We finally have a new government in Islamabad which is on the same page as the Pakistani military. Afghanis, especially Pukhtoons, have taken notice and are willing to find a solution which brings back Pakistani influence into Afghanistan.

Also note the return of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (the veteran mujahideen and Pukhtoon leader) to Afghanistan from Iran has bolstered pressure on the Kabul regime to find a solution with Pakistan.

Be a bit optimistic and pray for the best. For Pakistan, this new era is a rediscovery of our potential as a nation.

What box would you put me into in terms of where I am coming from? but I would say the following:

1. There is no single source of information, I collect from multiple sources and unify and abstract in context of history, logic, reason and intellect, other world events and understanding of the macro-world view, that I try to refine constantly.

2. I don't try to criticise government's by saying 'Country X is like this' that's simply not true. Every country is not reduced to single thing. There millions of unique people from diverse cultures, stories, experiences and backgrounds in each country, all different. I try to remain unbiased because of someones identity.

3. I try to challenge an individuals personal views and perspective and world-view. I will not render a comment made by a single person to mean 'well, that's the whole of country x'. If you are wrong, you are wrong - simple as that. I will never take sides of one nation over another, simply because a person or group of people from that country 'feel' in a certain way. That applies to all countries.

4. Supporting the action of one person from country X, does not mean I have to automatically agree with everything they say and reject everything they reject. For example, If country X has great things I will acknowledge that, If you want me to hate country Y because 'thats just how it is', I would not, because that's wrong.

5. I do not see the world with ideology, where I feel obliged to like and dislike based on consensus of members of that ideology. That means a pre-set form of beliefs that i use as a lens for the world.

To say I am more critical of Pakistan than any other nation on Earth is not true. Maybe it may seem that way to yourself as occasionally what I say may seem contraflow to ones thought.

I would support an entity (event or action or policy) based on that entities properties alone.

 

[Mugwop]

Afghanistan has always been against Pakistan.They hold a grudge against us for something that the british did and killed one of our PM. The nexus india is trying to form with afghanis won't last at all.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Sometimes it is better to look at an issue the other way: Why wouldn't India not take advantage of creating another front to divert resources and attention from the East to the West by Pakistan? Strategy-wise, it would be foolish not to capitalize on this chance of a lifetime.

But there is also this thinking by many people in Pakistan:

"We cannot blame foreign hand for our internal problems. We have to take responsibility for our own doings."

 

[VCheng]

But there is also this thinking by many people in Pakistan:

"We cannot blame foreign hand for our internal problems. We have to take responsibility for our own doings."

"Many" people think that? Four, may be five?

Just check the media, or even this forum. The foreign hand, from one country or another, with a few distinct favorites, is widely regarded as the cause of most of Pakistan's problems.

Anybody who dares to think differently as you suggest immediately pays the price for speaking up.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

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[SecularNationalist]

A perfect metaphor for Pakistan's position on Afghanistan. And quite frankly rude considering how many young and old men women and children lost life in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

We already debated this topic to death.Can,t blame you ,you are quite new here.
The hypocrisy on this from from indian and afghan side is mind bongling

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Dude same was said by India in balochistan few years back but everything got changed under Modi where your leaders openly started to invite balochi militant leaders and arrest of K. YADAV was final nail in the coffin for Indian denial.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Dude same was said by India in balochistan few years back but everything got changed under Modi where your leaders openly started to invite balochi militant leaders and arrest of K. YADAV was final nail in the coffin for Indian denial.

Did you read OP? No mention whatsoever of any media sources nor statements by famous people, not even Indian admission. Do you personally know anyone serving in police or army or some border civilians who would vouch for this allegation?

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@Peaceful Civilian @Muhammad Omar

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@SabzShaheen @saiyan0321 @I S I @snow lake

 

[VCheng]

Yes but Afghanistan is financed by US tax payers and because of Indian ambitions the Afghan war is not ending in US favor. As Indian funding of terrorism in Afghanistan is hurting USA. USA wants peace in Afghanistan and opposition is happening because of India.

Let us see what happens in the next few months over this issue. PMIK will surely decide what is best for Pakistan.

 

[JohnWick]

Let us see what happens in the next few months over this issue. PMIK will surely decide what is best for Pakistan.

IK had taking his room time.

 

[VCheng]

IK had taking his room time.

Those are all valid words, but what does the sentence mean?

 

[JohnWick]

Those are all valid words, but what does the sentence mean?

IK will deliver soon.

 

[VCheng]

IK will deliver soon.

InshaAllah. Of course he should, he is the anointed leader at the moment.

 

[JohnWick]

InshaAllah. Of course he should, he is the anointed leader at the moment.

Yes you are right but it's the job of Shah Mehmood Qureshi.