Allegation of using Afghanistan against Pakistan

[Arsalan]

You don't know the ways of the world. For example Indian media says that in 2002 Gujarat riots, 2000 people died.

Years later I would think, "In 1984 anti-Sikh riots, in a single city of Delhi, 3000 were killed. In 2002 Gujarat riots, the whole state was burning, yet only 2000 were killed! How come?" Such instances put question mark on the credibility of media.

Then two of my Muslim friends revealed to me that the real death toll in Gujarat riots was 20,000-30,000.

Now you understand why such word of mouth is more trustworthy.

But dear what will you accept then? We cannot have terrorists to join the forum and share those details with you now, can we?

I am not a believer of media either, very much against them most of the times but in this case, we have to hear to what reports coming out of Afghanistan say, what the terrorists captured mention, that is all we have.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

But dear what will you accept then? We cannot have terrorists to join the forum and share those details with you now, can we?

I am not a believer of media either, very much against them most of the times but in this case, we have to hear to what reports coming out of Afghanistan say, what the terrorists captured mention, that is all we have.

The security agencies won't tell the truth to media because they have some obligations, agenda etc. But while gossiping, they may share some less known facts, even secrets with friends, family and colleagues. And some of these civilian acquaintances of military professionals may be on PDF.

An example is worth thousand words of explanation. See below quote:

Just to add, and one of my dad's unit officer who got transferred to NLI after its induction into the army & currently in the Swat operation theater, told me that NLI units have showed bravery unmatched by any other units in the theater. He told me that at the start of the operation one of the units suffered 4 casualties in an ambush & after that no more dead casualties only wounded casualties. Whenever the NLI soldiers came into ambush, they would go after the retreating taliban ambush party & take them at their time of rest. many times it had happened & now the taliban don't ambush the NLI soldiers. They have Excellent tracking capabilities & ability to go after them in the mountains as they are mountain warfare troops. The operational areas commander refuse to let go their NLI units to some other area commander & would fight to retain them & also was told that in the last operation in SWA, baitullah mehsid was very paranoid of these troops that in the peace deal he had asked for the withdrawal of these units & that was due to their fighting performance & the most dreaded tactic they employed against taliban snipers was that whenever they used to catch a sniper they would take out his eyes and then let him go to find his own way to his base. This scared the **** out of the taliban and sniper fire on these troops ceased. This last tactic made BM to ask for their withdrawal as this tactic proved very devastating for the moral of the taliban.

I hope NLI soldiers are taken into SSG more & more or the SOTF as they are the best fighters for mountain warfare & more of the NLI units should be raised & officers from the NA should be inducted.

not even what your captured terrorists say!

If you are referring to Kulbhushan, don't even talk about him. Today in 2010s decade, we know Ravindra Kaushik 1970-80s was a fiction. Tomorrow we would know that Kubhushan too was a fiction, an innocent man wrongly framed.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@Hakikat ve Hikmet

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@JonAsad @WAJsal @Zaki @Chak Bamu

@Path-Finder @Okasha Zahid

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@MUSTAKSHAF @MastanKhan @Muhammad Shahab Janjua @BATMAN

@ziaulislam @Armchair-General @ARMalik @airmarshal

@fitpOsitive

 

[BATMAN]

Stupid claim, we are peaceful and peace loving people.

We dont use others against our enemies.

Your cold start is nothing more than terrorism and using Pakistanis against Pakistani interests via Iran.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@Signalian

@Sulman Badshah @Sal12 @Salik @Ali Tariq @Suff Shikan

@Maxpane @Moonlight @Fahad Bilal @TF141

@thebaj @Storm bombardier

 

[fitpOsitive]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

No body will tell you those things. But yes, a passive war is going on in Afghanistan. Its everybody against every body.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Bilal Khan 777

@newb3e

@Baghial

 

[scionofPakwattan]

@Signalian

@Sulman Badshah @Sal12 @Salik @Ali Tariq @Suff Shikan

@Maxpane @Moonlight @Fahad Bilal @TF141

@thebaj @Storm bombardier

whats your interest? wondering if youre researching this topic as a journalist or just out of curiosity

 

[ziaulislam]

@JonAsad @WAJsal @Zaki @Chak Bamu

@Path-Finder @Okasha Zahid

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

1. There is full documentary on what your pal did in Baluchistan. He is serving army officer on fake papers.

2. Indian PM has numerous time openly supported Baluchistan militants (2tribes that are involved killing fellow balochs~ and pushtoons ~50% population ).

3. Their leaders frequently visit india and openly appreciate indian help. Get high level care there even applied for asylum

4. Your defence ministry on record saying we should support militant in Pakistan

Why are you asking just go to youtube..everything is open source ..whole Baluchistan went cold as soon as your guy was captured as he helped dismantling the whole network

For example, you once said that you went to LOC and saw by yourself that on Indian side of LOC, there was a dense civilian population. This is because they serve as human shield to soldiers. This you saw with your own eyes and didn't read in newspapers or Internet. This can be considered authentic.

There was a thread on this forum on Kargil war by a member whose father himself actually fought in Kargil. So this son's narrative can be trusted to be authentic.


All this is a hearsay which you read in media.

What does the man on streets of KPK say? Since you live in border states, you must be having gold mine of authentic info. In fact your neighbour is an Afghan refugee.

Rumour by ordinary people on ground zero is zillion times more trustworthy than the world famous international media houses.

People in KPK are furious with northern aliance and india because current people who are in govt openly sponcerd and claim responsibility for bombing in 1990s in Peshawar (seriously openly accepted) and school bus stand off.. some are wanted in Pakistan now..Why do you think taliban swept power soon after these events in 1990s..to what extent india was involved is not known

Its like hafiz saeed says i did mumbai attack(which he currently denies and thus has 5m dollars bounty FOR EVIDENCE THAT WILL CONVICT HIM) and than he is made chief minister (Currently under home arrest ) and india is asked to invite him over by USA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Peshawar_school_bus_hijacking

 

[Moonlight]

Thats a baseless accusation, we dont do that kind of stuffs.

We caught Kalbushan. On one hand you produce fake surgical strike video & want the world to believe in this drama and on the other hand, you people keep denying the physical evidence in form of a spy?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Thats a baseless accusation, we dont do that kind of stuffs.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Regarding allegations of India using Afghanistan against Pakistan and causing terrorism in Pakistan by using Afghanistan as launchpad to send terrorists into Pakistan...

Can anybody throw authentic light on this allegation?

Please don't post links from media or statements by famous people or some video. Not even admission by Indians themselves of using Afghans to needle Pakistan. For example, Ajit Doval may be claiming using Afghans to fight Pak just to gain attention and publicity.

Post first hand accounts by people who actually know the truth on the ground.

For instance, some PDF members or their relatives may have been to ground zero of Af-Pak. Like someone's uncle or cousin or friend may have served in security forces on the Western border or you may be personally knowing some police who actually interrogated some captured Afghan terrorist. Or even ordinary civilians residing in border areas can throw light on the question of alleged Indian connection to Afghan terrorism.

First hand accounts are the most authentic and reliable ones.

So can anybody here cite such real anecdotes which were learnt on ground zero of Afghan terrorism and which suggest links between Indian agencies and Afghan terrorists?

And if at all this allegation is true, when (which year) India started doing this and how deep has been Indian involvement?

And to emphasise... Please post firsthand accounts only and not media's bullsh1t.

@JonAsad @somebozo @WAJsal @War Thunder

@HAIDER @The Accountant @Rusty

@Proudpakistaniguy

@Arsalan 345

@Desert Fox @ahmadnawaz22

 

[GHALIB]

Sometimes it is better to look at an issue the other way: Why wouldn't India not take advantage of creating another front to divert resources and attention from the East to the West by Pakistan? Strategy-wise, it would be foolish not to capitalize on this chance of a lifetime.

India is not in retribution business , we simply want no interference from across border in kashmir .