Allegation of using Afghanistan against Pakistan

[BHarwana]

I'm sure he is well-informed and has personal first hand experience of the situation with the Taliban, Afghanistan, War and a bright perspective on the matter as a person living through that horrible situation. I'm not doubting that.

My position still remains the same.

Most of Pakistanis do have personal experience of US war on terror in Afghanistan. We all got effected in one way or other. Because of US war our business suffered our society suffered and so on but we are a resilient nation and we don't keep regrets instead we improvise.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Most of Pakistanis do have personal experience of US war on terror in Afghanistan. We all got effected in one way or other. Because of US war our business suffered our society suffered and so on but we are a resilient nation and we don't keep regrets instead we improvise.

There are no winners in war. It's a sad horrible thing. Especially for people like yourself who just want to live and be free, however you see that. That drive and passion you have stated above is the beauty of the human spirit. I guess the Equity market is doing well in the Pakistan Stock Exchange.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I'm sure he is well-informed and has personal first hand experience of the situation with the Taliban, Afghanistan, War and a bright perspective on the matter as a person living through that horrible situation. I'm not doubting that.

My position still remains the same.

US has played a double game with both Afghanistan and Pakistan. No one specifically has suffered as much as the Pukhtoons on both sides of the border. This is why awareness of our common issues and a united reaction are a must.

I am not I just got educated on pdf like all of us here. He has right to his opinion.

Not questioning his right to his opinion, bro.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

US has played a double game with both Afghanistan and Pakistan. No one specifically has suffered as much as the Pukhtoons on both sides of the border. This is why awareness of our common issues and a united reaction are a must.

I guess awareness is one thing, and a sensible strategy towards real peace on the ground for all parties that is fair, just and equitable is another thing.

Not questioning his right to his opinion, bro.

I see that sometimes the difference between opinion and fact are blurred in the local media.

 

[BHarwana]

There are no winners in war. It's a sad horrible thing. Especially for people like yourself who just want to live and be free, however you see that. That drive and passion you have stated above is the beauty of the human spirit. I guess the Equity market is doing well in the Pakistan Stock Exchange.

Yep that is true war leaves no winner. When USA fired the first bullet in Afghanistan the babies born on that day are now fighting the war in Afghanistan and returning back home in coffins. There is always a price for war which is very painful and sad thing which we humans don't realize and keep on fighting. War only brings destruction and disaster and nothing else. But yes if your economy is dependent on weapons sales then war is necessary to increase your growth and GDP.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Yep that is true war leaves no winner. When USA fired the first bullet in Afghanistan the babies born on that day are now fighting the war in Afghanistan and returning back home in coffins. There is always a price for war which is very painful and sad thing which we humans don't realize and keep on fighting. War only brings destruction and disaster and nothing else. But yes if your economy is dependent on weapons sales then war is necessary to increase your growth and GDP.

That's very sad. But some of your members will call the same people you mention an eBay of Terrorists. They obviously don't have the same empathy as you for another life.

Yep that is true war leaves no winner. When USA fired the first bullet in Afghanistan the babies born on that day are now fighting the war in Afghanistan and returning back home in coffins. There is always a price for war which is very painful and sad thing which we humans don't realize and keep on fighting. War only brings destruction and disaster and nothing else. But yes if your economy is dependent on weapons sales then war is necessary to increase your growth and GDP.

That's very sad. But some of your members will call the same people you mention an eBay of Terrorists. They obviously don't have the same empathy as you for another life.

And you liked that comment.

 

[BHarwana]

That's very sad. But some of your members will call the same people you mention an eBay of Terrorists. They obviously don't have the same empathy as you for another life.




And you liked that comment.

It is currently eBay of terrorist that is what India and USA had made it into. Suicide bomber are sold for money there. Weapons and explosives are transported by people who are called krayadars.

USA spent trillions of dollars but country is still in poverty why? India is using security agencies there to recruiters terrorist why?

EBay of terrorist is reality bro. Why do you want to shut your eyes from it. Rehabilitation is only possible if usa and India stops its destabilizing activity and pull out and pay for the damage they did in 17 years. Pakistan is not involved in Afghanistan, if we were involved USA would have been already history. We have only watched USA there silently and defended our borders.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

USA and Pakistan were allies? Sorry ally don't sell weapons to others enemies.

At the end of the day, however you look at it, you abandoned your ex-best friend Afghanistan for your new best-friend the US, and that's not the first time. It would be very difficult for Afghan public opinion to see Pakistan as their ally. Bridge-building is based on trust and time. You have no bridges. To rebuild relations with Afghanistan, comments like eBay for terrorists and some wild Indian-conspiracy theory are not acceptable.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

At the end of the day, however you look at it, you abandoned your ex-best friend Afghanistan for your new best-friend the US, and that's not the first time. It would be very difficult for Afghan public opinion to see Pakistan as their ally. Bridge-building is based on trust and time. You have no bridges. To rebuild relations with Afghanistan, comments like eBay for terrorists and some wild Indian-conspiracy theory are not acceptable.

We have the biggest bridge of all. Stronger than any connection of Afghans with India, US, or Israel.

We are ethnic, cultural cousins. Pukhtoons (natives of Afghanistan) do not have much difference on both sides of the border. These bonds are strong and have survived thousands of years.

If you know about Pukhtoonwali, you will know that Pukhtoons seek unity with Pakistan and Afghanistan to unite their community.

There are minor problems now but they will be ironed out relatively quickly.

 

[BHarwana]

At the end of the day, however you look at it, you abandoned your ex-best friend Afghanistan for your new best-friend the US, and that's not the first time. It would be very difficult for Afghan public opinion to see Pakistan as their ally. Bridge-building is based on trust and time. You have no bridges. To rebuild relations with Afghanistan, comments like eBay for terrorists and some wild Indian-conspiracy theory are not acceptable.

We never abandoned anyone. USA "was" a cold war ally and hybrid war enemy but Afghan are neighbours. We can chose friends but we cannot chose neighbours. Pakistan can do with out USA but we will always have to live along Afghanis we cannot abandon them.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

you abandoned your ex-best friend Afghanistan for your new best-friend the US

I agree this was wrong. However, Pakistan did not happily jump in the US arms, we were forced into it due the threat of force and to the lack of support from other countries to stand for truth and law.

Musharraf made these decisions and there was and still is much animosity toward his policies in Pakistan.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Your position is incoherent and I cannot understand your logic. You seem to trying to kill two-birds-with-one-stone by assuming the logic ''If Afghanistan fails to submit to Pakistan, we will simultaneously blame Indian-espionage and Terror. We will question their humanity, faith, failures and loyalty. We will not consider the position that Pakistan is complicit in the reasons that fuel why Afghanistan became a desperate failed-state. We will not consider thoughts of freedom and non-submission to the interests of Pakistan. Through this process we will try to gain an increase in hostility with India in the public mind''

forced into it due the threat of force and to the lack of support from other countries to stand for truth and law.

That is the truth of the matter. Using war rhetoric and demonising the Afghans will not help.

We never abandoned anyone. USA "was" a cold war ally and hybrid war enemy but Afghan are neighbours. We can chose friends but we cannot chose neighbours. Pakistan can do with out USA but we will always have to live along Afghanis we cannot abandon them.

I guess in a dog-eat-dog world, the poorest dog dies.

 

[BHarwana]

Your position is incoherent and I cannot understand your logic. You seem to trying to kill two-birds-with-one-stone by assuming the logic ''If Afghanistan fails to submit to Pakistan, we will simultaneously blame Indian-espionage and Terror. We will question their humanity, faith, failures and loyalty. We will not consider the position that Pakistan is complicit in the reasons that fuel why Afghanistan became a desperate failed-state. We will not consider thoughts of freedom and non-submission to the interests of Pakistan. Through this process we will try to gain an increase in hostility with India in the public mind''



That is the truth of the matter. Using war rhetoric and demonising the Afghans will not help.



I guess in a dog-eat-dog world, the poorest dog dies.

It is you my friend who is trying to kill 2 birds will one stone. The concept of Malalai will hurt India and USA more then it can be played against Pakistan. Now you understand where I stand or not. I can go in more depth if you want.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

It is you my friend who is trying to kill 2 birds will one stone. The concept of Malalai will hurt India and USA more then it can be played against Pakistan. Now you understand where I stand or not. I can go in more depth if you want.

It seems in your premise of that statement you accuse me of being some sort of Indian/USA spy?

 

[SecularNationalist]

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