ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Hexciter]

I live in UK and I know all too well the propaganda machine that BBC is!

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/udner-the-guise-of-public-safety-12192016140127.html

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121414461343109120

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

No one is fighting war against Islam and Uighurs, it's all in your head.

Every single Muslim country is China's friend, now it seems Turkey is also trying hard to be one, so we can count Turkey in for now.

No wisdom or tact, what can I say.

Do as you like.

If I really wanted independence for Uyghurs, my tone would be very different.

I want the respect of the religious rights of all Muslims in China and the whole world. Muslims are being denied that everywhere.

All these issues can be resolved peacefully, but I don’t think Chinese members here are thinking in this way and instead trying to justify actions against Islam (which may or may not exist.)

 

[beijingwalker]

"Concentration camp" teacher teaching students how to set up an online store and selling things online on Alibaba, a good way to make money.

"Concentration camp" E commerce class

The supermarket run by the former student in the E&T center ,China's Xinjiang

A student opens a clothing shop after graduating from the E&T center ,China's Xinjiang

Xinjiang will be always Chinese style Xinjiang, boasting world top class infrastructure with well educated people, it'll never turn into an Afghanistan style Xinjiang.

 

[Itachi]

I live in UK and I know all too well the propaganda machine that BBC is!

Did you even watch the video?? Not everything from the West is propaganda. Just like everything from the East isn't a bunch of good will.

Keep dreaming or wake up to the reality. Your choice.


Also this:

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/udner-the-guise-of-public-safety-12192016140127.html

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121414461343109120

I can post even more evidence if you require.

Young Uyghur Tour Director Dies Under Questioning by Xinjiang Authorities: Mother

A young Uyghur woman who worked as the deputy director of a tourist agency in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) has died while being questioned in official custody, according to a recording of her mother that was secreted out of the country by members of the Uyghur exile community.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/death-06242019143149.html

A facility believed to be an internment camp located north of Kashgar, in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, June 2, 2019.


Definitely looks like a internment camp^

Sorry I disagree with you.
China has better human rights records than many countries.

Is those "many countries" are African ones then yes, China has better human rights than them....but still, Chinese "human rights" are abysmal, if any available at all.

They don't hesitate to kill protestors using tanks (hint: The 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests) & force their ideology upon their people. You can already see the brainwashed Chinese on these forums.

 

[Dubious]

We never said the we allow worship in public schools, so what do you mean by " admit"? It's common sense that Chinese schools don't have a time and place to pray for religions, be them Christianity, Buddism or Islam. Now you suddenly start to talk about something that's been around in China for 70 years.

You not allowing it breaches the Geneva convention of allowing one to practice their faith...THAT in many people's books is violation of human rights! And THAT is what EVERYONE has been stating all along! THAT CHINA ABUSES HUMAN RIGHTS!

 

[aziqbal]

Its a shame that some Pakistani are so blind they are happy to turn back on their faith to follow China

a bit like when the Chinese gang was operating in Pakistan marrying off young girls young as 14 and then prostituting Pakistani girls in China and some Pakistani on this forum were saying that still China is right, our women are not for sale and neither is our religion

I am pro-China and always have been but I call them out for when they do wrong

China has not suffered any islamic terrorism and Chinese muslims are very peaceful nice people who have contributed to China for decades, why the U-turn on them?

all of a sudden without reason China has put them into these "re-education" camps

China should be held accountable and Pakistan should make it clear or tomorrow we are next

 

[beijingwalker]

I
China has not suffered any islamic terrorism and Chinese muslims are very peaceful nice people who have contributed to China for decades, why the U-turn on them?

all of a sudden without reason China has put them into these "re-education" camps

That's the biggest lie you guys ever made, Xinjiang used to suffer terrorist attacks on weekly to monthly basis like Pakistan, thousands died including the police and civilians, most were civilians. only in recently years after China took preventive meausres in recent years that Xinjiang becomes the safest and most peaceful region in the world with zero terrorism. but Pakistani civilians still die from regular attacks and you ask us tho change, do you think we will and let Xinjiang slip back to a war zone economy.

You not allowing it breaches the Geneva convention of allowing one to practice their faith..

Really, US says China and Pakistan are two countries with the worst religious persecution, so you decide to join US and accuse China after being accused same as China, how smart a guy you are.

 

[OIO]

Its a shame that some Pakistani are so blind they are happy to turn back on their faith to follow China

a bit like when the Chinese gang was operating in Pakistan marrying off young girls young as 14 and then prostituting Pakistani girls in China and some Pakistani on this forum were saying that still China is right, our women are not for sale and neither is our religion

I am pro-China and always have been but I call them out for when they do wrong

China has not suffered any islamic terrorism and Chinese muslims are very peaceful nice people who have contributed to China for decades, why the U-turn on them?

all of a sudden without reason China has put them into these "re-education" camps

China should be held accountable and Pakistan should make it clear or tomorrow we are next

Uighurs are nice people if external forces don't intervene.

You not allowing it breaches the Geneva convention of allowing one to practice their faith...THAT in many people's books is violation of human rights! And THAT is what EVERYONE has been stating all along! THAT CHINA ABUSES HUMAN RIGHTS!

human rights in Pakistan is more worst,
I worry about the Christian in Pakistan very much.

 

[beijingwalker]

Pakistan should learn from China, every year some Chinese facilities in Pakistan were attacked and some Chinese nationals were killed by terrorist groups. If this situation doesn't improve, the casaulty will make CPEC not sustainable and no Chinese workers and engineers dares to go there. Terrorism is the single biggest issue that holds CPEC back, it is a make or break issue for this huge project.

China should be held accountable and Pakistan should make it clear or tomorrow we are next

What China does is always within her own borders, do you mean China will invade Pakistan? Believe me, Pakistan is the last place China wants to invade, of course we won't invade any country, we are not US. In Chinese we would say your worries are worrying the sky may collapse and crushs on your head.

 

[war&peace]

That's the biggest lie you guys ever made, Xinjiang used to suffer terrorist attacks on weekly to monthly basis like Pakistan, thousands died including the police and civilians, most were civilians. only in recently years after China took preventive meausres in recent years that Xinjiang becomes the safest and most peaceful region in the world with zero terrorism. but Pakistani civilians still die from regular attacks and you ask us tho change, do you think we will and let Xinjiang slip back to a war zone economy.

@beijingwalker I totally agree on this with you. Some of Pakistanis like most of foreigners are totally unaware about this because China did not make it public and media did not cover but Xinjiang suffered due to the terrorism and the groups had links with terrorists attacking Pakistan as well. The groups were supported and controlled by the same handlers and for that Afghanistan and Pakistan northern area where terrorist had established themselves. China handled that situation quietly and Pakistan helped China and we together eliminated that network. But most of Pakistanis are clueless. China does most of its stuff silently until it becomes totally necessary to speak but due to this policy other people are not aware.

What China does is always within her own borders, do you mean China will invade Pakistan? Believe me, Pakistan is the last place China wants to invade, of course we won't invade any country, we are not US. In Chinese we would say your worries are worrying the sky may collapse and crushs on your head.

Don't believe any random member on PDF even regardless of the title because this forum is neither representative of govt or people of Pakistan. China and Pakistan are together in this fight against the terrorism and sadly enough we still have terrorist sympathisers but they will eventually be weeded out. Pakistan in on your side.
I only want China to go easy on Uyghur people and let them practice their religion because if you stop them, it will create dissent and an opportunity for the foreign hostile agencies to benefit from it. I'm saying this because Pakistan has suffered a lot due to some of our wrong policies like siding with the war of terror with USA that initiated the whole terrorism in Pakistan.

China has not suffered any islamic terrorism and Chinese muslims are very peaceful nice people who have contributed to China for decades, why the U-turn on them?

No sir, you're wrong on this and you should update yourself about the subject matter. China has indeed suffered through the terrorism and it was foreign funded. And mostly in Xinjiang and Pakistan helped China in eliminating it. We both fought it together. China has a habit of keeping quiet because they think it will hurt their image and investment in the country. But there definitely was an issue but now it has largely been addressed. However, now China is getting very strict on Uyghur Muslim by not allowing them to practice their religion. I think we need to have a good interaction with them and tell them that Islam is part of the solution and not the problem.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I worry about the Christian in Pakistan very much.

What will you do?

Fighting nonexistent causes against Pakistan.

Honestly, Chinese members on PDF are the worst examples of their nation. Maybe you guys should go someplace else.

Nothing but loose cannons. What Is the difference between you and Indians?

 

[war&peace]

What will you do?

Fighting nonexistent causes against Pakistan.

Honestly, Chinese members on PDF are the worst examples of their nation. Maybe you guys should go someplace else.

Nothing but loose cannons. What Is the difference between you and Indians?

Both Pakistanis & Chinese members are gullible and basing their opinions on the propaganda by the west. Some of the members are citing the US reports against each other. Can it get more stupid than this?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@beijingwalker I totally agree on this with you. Some of Pakistanis like most of foreigners are totally unaware about this because China did not make it public and media did not cover but Xinjiang suffered due to the terrorism and the groups had links with terrorists attacking Pakistan as well. The groups were supported and controlled by the same handlers and for that Afghanistan and Pakistan northern area where terrorist had established themselves. China handled that situation quietly and Pakistan helped China and we together eliminated that network. But most of Pakistanis are clueless. China does most of its stuff silently until it becomes totally necessary to speak but due to this policy other people are not aware.

Don't believe any random member on PDF even regardless of the title because this forum is neither representative of govt or people of Pakistan. China and Pakistan are together in this fight against the terrorism and sadly enough we still have terrorist sympathisers but they will eventually be weeded out. Pakistan in on your side.
I only want China to go easy on Uyghur people and let them practice their religion because if you stop them, it will create dissent and an opportunity for the foreign hostile agencies to benefit from it. I'm saying this because Pakistan has suffered a lot due to some of our wrong policies like siding with the war of terror with USA that initiated the whole terrorism in Pakistan.


No sir, you're wrong on this and you should update yourself about the subject matter. China has indeed suffered through the terrorism and it was foreign funded. And mostly in Xinjiang and Pakistan helped China in eliminating it. We both fought it together. China has a habit of keeping quiet because they think it will hurt their image and investment in the country. But there definitely was an issue but now it has largely been addressed. However, now China is getting very strict on Uyghur Muslim by not allowing them to practice their religion. I think we need to have a good interaction with them and tell them that Islam is part of the solution and not the problem.

As a Pakistani forum, we have many different viewpoints. Many honestly just want to know details about the situation to provide answers to friends/family and to put their mind at ease.

What I don’t understand is why chinese members think they can come here and insult our religion, culture, and identity without repercussions?

For a country with a fast growing economy, once in a lifetime opportunity of making alliances, and a responsible government, it is sad to see such uncivilized and frankly barbaric views among members here about Muslims, Turks, Arabs, Islam, and Pakistanis.

It is shameful.

 

[Brainsucker]

Muslims are required by their faith to pray five times daily, regardless of the reasons. In our faith, the one who does not pray is no longer a Muslim. It is a covenant with Allah swt and the first thing asked on the Day of Judgement.

Same thing with Hijab, it is a requirement, not an electable ritual.

It is not allowed to serve any state, or even parents, which keep one away from practicing Islamic obligations (five pillars, salat, fasting, hijab, halal food, and reading Quran.)

In Islam, loyalty to Allah swt and Prophet saws comes before any other.

If such a state banned Islamic obligations, it is not only allowed to rebel against such a state, but a praiseworthy action.

Perhaps China should revisit this policy if it wants to keep a Muslim-majority province as part of China, otherwise allow them the rights to practice their faith in an independent nation.

So China suddenly become an enemy; not ally anymore?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan should learn from China, every year some Chinese facilities in Pakistan were attacked and some Chinese nationals were killed by terrorist groups. If this situation doesn't improve, the casaulty will make CPEC not sustainable and no Chinese workers and engineers dares to go there. Terrorism is the single biggest issue that holds CPEC back, it is a make or break issue for this huge project.

Both governments know India is responsible, just at it manufactured terrorism in Tibet against China.

Situation will only get worse for China and Pakistan, as US and allies put pressure on our weak points. Like fools you are falling into the game which SL did in lashing out against allies and friends, now it’s totally at the mercy of extremist forces and Indian designs.

If you want to represent China here, show a good image of your country.

So China suddenly become an enemy; not ally anymore?

Those are hypotheticals. If this is the case, which I am not convinced is.

However Imran Khan promised us he will look into it. If there are human right issues, Pakistan will be the first to speak up.

If not, then no issue.