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[beijingwalker]

Believe me when I say this, these stories are all real, whether "western propaganda or not". China has a history of killing, torturing and subjugating it's own citizens, whether Muslims or not.

The Chinese members here will slowly start accepting the reality when the rest of PDF gets off of their high horse that the Chinese can't do anything wrong to their own population.

I'm waiting for the day a Uyghur hears about PDF and comes on here to expose these lies spread on this forum.

That what China did to her people, hard facts and figures can not be denied.

China accounts for 78% of the world reduction of the number living in poverty

 

[OIO]

Typical Authoritarian response....you don't run countries like that. You lose countries like that.

never mind, it's not your business.
you can learn some Chinese history about religions then you will understand two principles:
religions can't interven politics.
religions can't interven secular life.

maybe you know people would be punished because of criticizing government, but you don't know people would also be punished because of praising government in the history.

that means politics is not your business.

 

[war&peace]

Believe me when I say this, these stories are all real, whether "western propaganda or not". China has a history of killing, torturing and subjugating it's own citizens, whether Muslims or not.

The Chinese members here will slowly start accepting the reality when the rest of PDF gets off of their high horse that the Chinese can't do anything wrong to their own population.

I'm waiting for the day a Uyghur hears about PDF and comes on here to expose these lies spread on this forum.

Sorry I disagree with you.
China has better human rights records than many countries.

What are real human rights are still debatable, Chinese people live a better life than most countries which claim that they have human rights. In our culture we always believe national or collective interest come before individual interests, 国富则民强 that's the fundemental difference between the Chinese values and western values.

China has changed previously from very communist style economy to liberal because the leadership realised the communism has failed as it failed in USSR so China started liberalisation its economy in 80's which was a 180 degree turn from Mao's China. So phase is complete and I hope China will realise that freedom of expression and religion will also help while oppression will only result in negativity. I believe that Chinese have incredible ability to adapt and change according to the time and hence survive.

 

[313ghazi]

No religious activities in public schools, it doesn't matter what religions, they are all equal. Do western countries or Pakistan allow Christians or Buddist students to pray in the middle of class? I don't know, even they do, it doesn't mean we have to follow, I guess that would cause conflicts between different religions, China also has a large Christian and Buddist popultion, bigger than Muslim groups in number, we don't want them to go for each other's throats, Rohingya style conflicts can never happen in China.

There is no reason why we can't pray during our lunch break in Western schools. Does China allow that?

In Western countries we can open our own religious based schools where we teach the national curriculum and our religion. Can Chinese Muslims do that?

 

[OIO]

There is no reason why we can't pray during our lunch break in Western schools. Does China allow that?

In Western countries we can open our own religious based schools where we teach the national curriculum and our religion. Can Chinese Muslims do that?

none civil servants adults can practice their religion at home or religious places.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don't buy the western propaganda so I don't agree on this part but I'm just believing the words of our Chinese friends who have accepted that they are not allowed to practice their religion.

These Chinese members are giving a bad image of China.

Islamically, this is the biggest oppression (zulm) which can be done and requires active resistance (Jihad.)

If this is an exaggeration, it is a shame on them for creating a distance between Muslims and China.

If this is truth, then Uyghurs deserve to be an independent nation.

Every Muslim will agree with what I stated.

I am hoping our Chinese members have got it wrong, as I would hate for them to lose face among Muslims and earn wrath of Allah swt.

 

[OIO]

These Chinese members are giving a bad image of China.

Islamically, this is the biggest oppression (zulm) which can be done and requires active resistance (Jihad.)

If this is an exaggeration, it is a shame on them for creating a distance between Muslims and China.

If this is truth, then Uyghurs deserve to be an independent nation.

Every Muslim will agree with what I stated.

I am hoping our Chinese members have got it wrong, as I would hate for them to lose face among Muslims and earn wrath of Allah swt.

you must realize Islam is no special with other religions in China.

 

[war&peace]

These Chinese members are giving a bad image of China.

Islamically, this is the biggest oppression (zulm) which can be done and requires active resistance (Jihad.)

If this is an exaggeration, it is a shame on them for creating a distance between Muslims and China.

If this is truth, then Uyghurs deserve to be an independent nation.

Every Muslim will agree with what I stated.

I am hoping our Chinese members have got it wrong, as I would hate for them to lose face among Muslims and earn wrath of Allah swt.

I believe in the ability of China to learn and adapt as she has done in the past with her economy. So I hope and wish that Chinese leadership will realise this as well and they will change if there are such laws because paranoia against the religion is not helpful. Islam asks Muslims to respect the laws of the state that do not interfere in their religious duties.
We wish best of the relations between China and the Islamic world and we do not want to be a part of any anti-China propaganda by west and to this end China should liberalise

you must realize Islam is no special with other religions in China.

Give religious freedom to all. It will help China.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

you must realize Islam is no special with other religions in China.

For Muslims, it is worth more than any state.

Generally speaking, not just about China.

We believe all sovereignty belongs to Allah swt alone. Life and After-life are governed by his rules.

Kingdoms, Empires, States all come and go. Allah swt is forever.

I believe in the ability of China to learn and adapt as she has done in the past with her economy. So I hope and wish that Chinese leadership will realise this as well and they will change if there are such laws because paranoia against the religion is not helpful. Islam asks Muslims to respect the laws of the state that do not interfere in their religious duties.
We wish best of the relations between China and the Islamic world and we do not want to be a part of any anti-China propaganda by west and to this end China should liberalise


Give religious freedom to all. It will help China.

I think these posters are just preaching and trolling. Neither can represent CCP.

Because if this was truth, then they will not be able to control Xinjiang, no matter what they do.

I am still seeing, in videos, people in Xinjiang wearing beard, hijab, and attending Jummah.

This must mean that the rules are not as strict as these posters say.

 

[OIO]

I believe in the ability of China to learn and adapt as she has done in the past with her economy. So I hope and wish that Chinese leadership will realise this as well and they will change if there are such laws because paranoia against the religion is not helpful. Islam asks Muslims to respect the laws of the state that do not interfere in their religious duties.
We wish best of the relations between China and the Islamic world and we do not want to part of any anti-China propaganda by west and to this end China should liberalise


Give religious freedom to all. It will help China.

peace need compromise as Hui Muslim did.
Hui Muslims were invaders but they'v lived in China for thousand years, how long have Muslim lived in West, your good day in west will not last long.

actually, some Hui Muslims also began to make trouble
under the supporting of Saudi Arabia, wanted to make China a Muslim country and apply Islamic law. i tell you make China a Muslim country is far more hard than overthrow CPC.

we want make friends with Muslim countries does not mean we will let you interven our internal affairs, do you accpet communism because you want make friend with us?

there was and is a bleeding edge around Muslim world, Muslims in China are lucky in peace and enjoying the development, anyway, living in peace or rest in peace depends on their choice.

 

[war&peace]

peace need compromise as Hui Muslim did.
Hui Muslims were invaders but they'v lived in China for thousand years, how long have Muslim lived in West, your good day in west will not last long.

actually, some Hui Muslims also began to make trouble
under the supporting of Saudi Arabia, wanted to make China a Muslim country and apply Islamic law. i tell you make China a Muslim country is far more hard than overthrow CPC.

we want make friends with Muslim countries does not mean we will let you interven our internal affairs, do you accpet communism because you want make friend with us?

there was and is a blooding around Muslim world, Muslims in China are lucky in peace and enjoying the development, anyway, living in peace or rest in peace depends on their choice.

You are generalising. If there are some trouble makers, they should be punished as per the law but you cannot punish the whole community for the acts a few individuals. No body is ask you to declare China an Islamic so please do not troll & lie, we only asked you to let them worship and pray.
We can learn from the failure of USSR. It had a iron curtain and banned all religious practices under communism but that failed and today Russians freely practice Christianity and Islam while most of central Asian states are Muslim and now people are free to practice. Do you think any of them misses communism or wants to go back?

 

[OIO]

You are generalising. If there are some trouble makers, they should be punished as per the law but you cannot punish the whole community for the acts a few individuals. No body is ask you to declare China an Islamic so please do not troll & lie, we only asked you to let them worship and pray.
We can learn from the failure of USSR. It had a iron curtain and banned all religious practices under communism but that failed and today Russians freely practice Christianity and Islam while most of central Asian states are Muslim and now people are free to practice. Do you think any of them misses communism or wants to go back?

but China is not Russia, China is a secular society and elites are atheists from the history.

 

[war&peace]

but China is not Russia, China is a secular society and elites are atheists from the history.

Same was in Russia.

 

[Max]

If people are forced to live in camps, it's abduction which is illegal and state terrorism against people. They should be free to chose their schools, vocational training centers, things they want to learn.

 

[OIO]

Same was in Russia.

absolutely not!