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[Goku]

They do, plus it's not "in the middle of the class". Islamic prayer timing are vast, like you have a couple of hours to do the prayers so you can finish them before or after class. Before work, at work (during lunch time) and after work.


It's called "Freedom of Religion"....no matter how much economic prosperity you have, if you don't provide your people the freedoms they require, it won't last long.



Obviously they won't show the parts where these "students" are being made to chant the Chinese national anthem or sing praises to Xi Jinping or being forced to eat pork or being indoctrinated to hate their culture and accept mainstream culture.

There were stories of these "students" being encouraged to sell out their parents by reporting any "bad behavior" of their parents to their "teachers". There are countless other stories out there too, each with the same horrific pattern.

True my friend used to visit mosque on Fridays during lunch time while in college ,no teacher , student , administration had any objection when he used to come a bit late on Fridays after lunch break

 

[OIO]

They are being kept imprisoned. They are not allowed to go home so how can you say it is a school? It is a jail. Which school has classes 24x7? All the schools at max have 5-6 hrs of classes and even those are not continuous and are dotted with breaks. Students are free to do whatever they want during the breaks and after the classes.
When I was studying, I used to pray in one of the breaks that fell on or around the time of the prayer and for that I didn't need anyone's permission. Same is true when I'm doing the business.

you can do anything you want in your country.

 

[beijingwalker]

They are being kept imprisoned. They are not allowed to go home so how can you say it is a school? It is a jail. Which school has classes 24x7? All the schools at max have 5-6 hrs of classes and even those are not continuous and are dotted with breaks. Students are free to do whatever they want during the breaks and after the classes.
When I was studying, I used to pray in one of the breaks that fell on or around the time of the prayer and for that I didn't need anyone's permission. Same is true when I'm doing the business.

I don't know if they can leave or not, so I don't make baseless claims, concentration camps are not for teaching, they are for punishing or killing. Schools are for teaching and learning, that's our definition, you can have yours, your country , your rule, we don't care.

 

[Itachi]

you don't want to obey the Chinese law but want the law to protect your right of religion.

When did I say that??

You're putting words in my mouth. Islam teaches the person to always obey the "law of the land", whether that land be under Muslim or non-Muslim rule. It is when basic human rights in infringed upon that rebelling against the state is okay and even encouraged.

Any idiot that denies the basic human rights of another human beings has what's coming for him in store, whether that idiot be a single individual or a state.

 

[OIO]

When did I say that??

You're putting words in my mouth. Islam teaches the person to always obey the "law of the land", whether that land be under Muslim or non-Muslim rule. It is when basic human rights in infringed upon that rebelling against the state is okay and even encouraged.

Any idiot that denies the basic human rights of another human beings has what's coming for him in store, whether that idiot be a single individual or a state.

don't talk to me about human rights, idont care, Chinese have to obey Chinese law, if not just leave China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Every country has their way of ruling their countries, Pakistan has theirs and China has China's, China won't adopt Pakistani way in running China, neither would Pakistan take China's. So what can you do in Pakistan doesn't mean much to we Chinese in China.

 

[war&peace]

Obviously they won't show the parts where these "students" are being made to chant the Chinese national anthem or sing praises to Xi Jinping or being forced to eat pork or being indoctrinated to hate their culture and accept mainstream culture.

There were stories of these "students" being encouraged to sell out their parents by reporting any "bad behavior" of their parents to their "teachers". There are countless other stories out there too, each with the same horrific pattern.

I don't buy the western propaganda so I don't agree on this part but I'm just believing the words of our Chinese friends who have accepted that they are not allowed to practice their religion.

 

[OIO]

I don't why the western propaganda so I don't agree on this part but I'm just believing the words of our Chinese friends who have accepted that these are not allowed to practice their religion.

none civil servants adults can practice their religion at home or religious places.

 

[war&peace]

I don't know if they can leave or not, so I don't make baseless claims, concentration camps are not for teaching, they are for punishing or killing. Schools are for teaching and learning, that's our definition, you can have yours, your country , your rule, we don't care.

Mate, we are all humans and share the same planet and a few things are above and beyond the state/country. For example fundamental human right i.e freedom to practice the religion etc. China is also a part of UN and many other organisations. You can't always say "their country their rules". For example when Trump started the trade war, China objected to it and we support China on this even though it is not as fundamental as human rights but equal & fair trade is the right of China.
Similarly, Canada arrested some Chinese especially the daughter of some Chinese CEO and it was totally wrong act by Canada and we supported China on that and we don't say "their country their rules".

We are not interfering into China's internal issues rather respect Chinese sovereignty and I do not buy western propaganda against China but I believe the parts which you yourself told us. We want China to progress and prosper but no country can prosper & advance without problems if it does not guarantee the fundamental rights to its people.

none civil servants adults can practice their religion at home or religious places.

Why?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Thanks, are these specifically from people who have attended the camps? How do people sign up for this? Are any people forced to go?

In Isreal its mandatory for all civilians to serve military and people have NO other option. China is next super power and they want to make sure all of its citizens are up to date....

 

[OIO]

Mate, we are all humans and share the same planet and a few things are above and beyond the state/country. For example fundamental human right i.e freedom to practice the religion etc. China is also a part of UN and many other organisations. You can't always say "their country their rules". For example when Trump started the trade war, China objected to it and we support China on this even though it is not as fundamental as human rights but equal & fair trade is the right of China.
Similarly, Canada arrested some Chinese especially the daughter of some Chinese CEO and it was totally wrong act by Canada and we supported China on that and we don't say "their country their rules".

We are not interfering into China's internal issues rather respect Chinese sovereignty and I do not buy western propaganda against China but I believe the parts which you yourself told us. We want China to progress and prosper but no country can prosper & advance without problems if it does not guarantee the fundamental rights to its people.


Why?

you can not understand this from a perspective of Muslim, only law above all religions and neutral government can regulate clashes between religions and divisions.

 

[beijingwalker]

You can't always say "their country their rules". For example when Trump started the trade war, China objected to it and we support China on this even though it is not as fundamental as human rights but equal & fair trade is the right of China.
Similarly, Canada arrested some Chinese especially the daughter of some Chinese CEO and it was totally wrong act by Canada and we supported China on that and we don't say "their country their rules".

US started the trade war against China, Canada arrested a Chinese citizen, those examples you made involve not just one country, We don't care about what US will do to run its own country or their own citizens. China also supported Pakistan in many international disputes.

 

[Itachi]

don't talk to me about human rights, idont care, Chinese have to obey Chinese law, if not just leave China.

Typical Authoritarian response....you don't run countries like that. You lose countries like that.

 

[beijingwalker]

Mate, we are all humans and share the same planet and a few things are above and beyond the state/country. For example fundamental human right i.e freedom to practice the religion etc.

What are real human rights are still debatable, Chinese people live a better life than most countries which claim that they have human rights. In our culture we always believe national or collective interest come before individual interests, 国富则民强 that's the fundemental difference between the Chinese values and western values.

 

[Itachi]

I don't buy the western propaganda so I don't agree on this part but I'm just believing the words of our Chinese friends who have accepted that they are not allowed to practice their religion.

Believe me when I say this, these stories are all real, whether "western propaganda or not". China has a history of killing, torturing and subjugating it's own citizens, whether Muslims or not.

The Chinese members here will slowly start accepting the reality when the rest of PDF gets off of their high horse that the Chinese can't do anything wrong to their own population.

I'm waiting for the day a Uyghur hears about PDF and comes on here to expose these lies spread on this forum.