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Really? What happened to Philippines with China?


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As always the chinese never learn how to critically read a news article.



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You guys have no Idea how lucky china is with Duterte you guys basically have a once in the century pro china leader in the philippines now what you get next will be a pro-US one & they will likely bring back the US into the dispute.

https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/05/china-has-lost-the-philippines-despite-dutertes-best.html
 

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As always the chinese never learn how to critically read a news article.



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You guys have no Idea how lucky china is with Duterte you guys basically have a once in the century pro china leader in the philippines now what you get next will be a pro-US one & they will likely bring back the US into the dispute.

https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/05/china-has-lost-the-philippines-despite-dutertes-best.html
These US sponsor Philippines politician wouldn't last longer than duterte. Trust me, those few island are not worth the bickering with China than the benefit of China investment.

Look at indonesia. By stating neutral stance and tone down on natunas issue. The submarine free rescue effort from China and world class HSR coming. A win win situation. :enjoy:
 
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These US sponsor Philippines politician wouldn't last longer than duterte. Trust me, those few island are not worth the bickering with China than the benefit of China investment.

Look at indonesia. By stating neutral stance and tone down on natunas issue. The submarine free rescue effort from China and world class HSR coming. A win win situation. :enjoy:

Another chinese delusions:
While Duterte's yearslong kowtow to China has brought him not one single big-ticket investment so far, Jokowi's more dignified and sophisticated strategy has secured optimal investment, as well as the early delivery of millions of Chinese-made COVID-19 vaccines. One batch finally arrived at the beginning of the month, and another batch last week for a total of one million shots.

The unmistakable lesson, it seems, is that China treats meek leaders such as Duterte with contempt, but will strike mutually beneficial deals with the likes of Jokowi, who has consistently refused to be intimidated by Asia's superpower. In recent years, Duterte and Jokowi, have been the face of populist politics in Southeast Asia. Both are former provincial mayors who rose to the pinnacle of power by campaigning against a corrupt establishment.

While Duterte has portrayed himself as a man of the people, Jokowi has made proactive service to ordinary citizens the centerpiece of his agenda. Both have adopted tough-on-crime policies, especially toward narcotics.
Crucially, both presidents have staked their development agenda on Chinese largesse, much to the chagrin of conservative forces who have accused them of acting as Beijing's stooges. And yet, Jokowi managed to develop a relatively fruitful relationship based on mutual respect, while Duterte has been left swinging.

Point is we get more from china by confronting the country. While Philippines don't despite the constant brown nosing.

Indonesia regards China as its only realistic near-term military foe, with a specific potential for military confrontation over its Natuna Islands near the South China Sea

How do you feel that your money going into making us stronger so we can better go up against you. Kinda ironic isn't it?
 
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The number jumped from 1 million to 3 millions now. I thought USA just said Xinjiang is an open prison so it should be 25 millions. Next time USA will say it is 1.4 billion.

Meanwhile the real open prison of Gaza USA helped to build has millions Muslims badly needed help.
 
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So stock photos, wild allegations and no proof. Same shit different day. Too bad it’s enough to fool most people though.
 
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To Indian forum members getting giddy in this thread. Just remember, that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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India can't talk about Human Rights abuses, especially considering the rap sheet of offences and violations in Kashmir.

Kunan Poshpora Mass Rape:
According to survivors and a local administration official, on the night of 23 February 1991, soldiers from the 4 Rajputana Rifles regiment of the Indian Army gang-raped around 23 women of Kunan and Poshpora villages of Kupwara district, Jammu and Kashmir. Details of this case were covered in OHCHR’s June 2018 report.

There has been no progress in the Kunan Poshpora mass rape case from 1991,154 and authorities continue to thwart attempts of the survivors to get justice. The state government petitioned the Supreme Court against the Jammu and Kashmir High Court’s 2014 order that directed the state government to pay compensation to the victims within three months.

The High Court order was based on the Jammu and Kashmir State Human Rights Commission’s recommendations in 2011 to reopen and reinvestigate the case and to prosecute a senior official, whom it accused of deliberately obstructing the investigation.
The case remained stalled in the Supreme Court throughout 2018.

Continued use of pellet-firing shotgun:
Indian security forces continue to use pellet-firing shotguns in the Kashmir Valley as a crowd-control weapon despite concerns as to excessive use of force and the large number of incidental civilian deaths and injuries that have resulted. It should be noted that this weapon is not deployed elsewhere in India.

As noted in OHCHR’s June 2018 report, the 12- gauge pump-action shotgun firing metal pellets is one of the most dangerous weapons used in Kashmir. On 16 June 2018, a civilian was killed in Anantnag district of South Kashmir after being hit by metal pellets fired by security forces at protesters returning from Eid prayers. The deceased had pellet wounds in his neck and throat.

In another incident a 19-month-old girl was hit by the metal pellets in her right eye on 25 November 2018. The metal pellets were successfully removed from her eye but doctors were unsure whether she would regain her eyesight completely. According to information from Srinagar’s Shri Maharaja Hari Singh Hospital, where most pellet shotgun injured are treated, 1,253 people have been blinded by the metal pellets used by security forces from mid-2016 to end of 2018.

In compliance with the right to life, law enforcement officials, including soldiers charged with law enforcement missions, can only employ “less-lethal” weapons, subject to strict requirements of necessity and proportionality, in situations in which other less harmful measures have proven to be, or clearly are ineffective to address the threat. “Less-lethal” weapons should be used in situations of crowd control which can be addressed through less harmful means, especially situations involving the exercise of the right to peaceful assembly.

Cordon and Search Operations :

So-called “cordon and search operations”, a much-criticized military strategy employed by the Indian security forces in the early 1990s, was reintroduced in the Kashmir Valley in 2017. During the peak of armed insurgency in the 1990s, most extrajudicial killings were associated with cordon and search operations.

Typically in a cordon and search operation, security forces order all the men of a neighbourhood to come out and assemble for an “identification parade in front of hooded informers”. According to national and international human rights organizations, cordon and search operations enable a range of human rights violations, including physical intimidation and assault, invasion of privacy, arbitrary and unlawful detention, collective punishment and destruction of private property.

In a September 2018 statement, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation contact group on Jammu and Kashmir expressed “grave concern over the cordon and search operations in which Kashmir youth are being targeted with impunity”.

In 2018, civilian deaths were also reported due to excessive use of force during cordon and search operations. On 22 June 2018, a 55-year-old man, Mohammed Yousuf Rather, was allegedly shot when security forces entered his home in Nowshehra village of Anantnag district as part of a local operation.

He died before reaching the hospital. On 26 September 2018, a 24-year-old man, Mohammed Saleem Malik, was killed during a cordon and search operation near his house in Srinagar’s Noorbagh area.

JKCCS also recorded 120 cases of destruction of civilian property during cordon and search operations in 2018 including 31 private houses being completely burnt down. Another 18 cases of destruction of civilian property were reported in the first 3 months of 2019. Persons affected have complained that they have not received any compensation.

Arbitrary detention:

Authorities in Indian-Administered Kashmir continue to use various forms of arbitrary detention to target protesters, political dissidents and other civil society actors. A number of laws in Jammu and Kashmir provide the legal basis for arbitrary detention, but the one that is used most frequently to stifle protests and political dissent is the Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act (PSA) 1978.

The PSA does not provide for a judicial review of detention, and state authorities have defied orders by the Jammu and Kashmir High Court to release people detained under this law by issuing successive detention orders.

This practice has been used to keep people arbitrarily in detention for several weeks, months, and, in some cases, years. The Supreme Court of India has described the system of administrative detention, including PSA, as a “lawless law”.

Pro-independence leader Masrat Alam, who was first detained under the PSA in 2010, was charged for the 37th time in November 2018. He was re-arrested under the PSA in apparent contravention of the Supreme Court’s orders that any new detention order against him would not come into effect for a week to help him prepare his legal defence.

Despite being repeatedly detained under the PSA, Masarat Alam has never been convicted of any charges. Several separatist political leaders were detained under PSA in 2018 and 2019 and continue to be imprisoned.

In July 2018, the Government of Jammu and Kashmir amended section 10 of the PSA, removing the prohibition on detaining permanent residents of Jammu and Kashmir outside the state.

At least 40 people, chiefly separatist political leaders charged under the PSA were transferred to prisons outside the state of Jammu and Kashmir in 2018.

There are fears that the Government’s decision to transfer PSA detainees outside Jammu and Kashmir is a way to punish the detainees further, as this makes it harder for them to be visited by their family members or to meet with their legal counsel.

In relation to this, some prisons even deny lawyers permission to meet their clients without special court orders. Prisons outside Jammu and Kashmir are also considered hostile for Kashmiri Muslims detainees, especially separatist leaders, as they are treated as “terror suspects”.

While protesters throwing stones or separatist leaders are usually held initially for three months as a form of preventive detention, authorities extend their detention for three months at a time without producing any new evidence substantiating grounds for their continued detention.

The state government is obligated under the Jammu and Kashmir Right to Information Act 2009 to publicly provide “detailed reasons, facts and materials that form the basis of this amendment”. However, Jammu and Kashmir authorities have not provided any details on why section 10 of the PSA was amended to allow the transfer of detainees to prisons outside Jammu and Kashmir.

A right to information (RTI) inquiry revealed that while the PSA Advisory Board110 confirmed almost 99 percent of the detention orders, the Jammu and Kashmir High Court reversed over 81 percent of these detention orders.

In May 2018, the State Government further diluted the checks and balances in the application of the PSA by removing the need to consult Jammu and Kashmir High Court Chief Justice while constituting the Advisory Board.

OHCHR was informed that despite the Jammu and Kashmir High Court setting aside numerous PSA detention orders, the Jammu and Kashmir authorities continue to detain people by imposing new PSA orders even before suspects leave prisons.

The United Nations Treaty Bodies and Special Procedures have called on India to amend the PSA to ensure it complies with its international human rights obligations. The Human Rights Committee has noted that the PSA contravenes the rights enshrined in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, especially the rights to liberty and to a free and fair trial.

While analysing several cases of arbitrary detention under the PSA, the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention observed that, “[the] Government has not refuted the allegation that these persons were detained by security forces under the said Act without serving them with an arrest warrant, which constitutes a violation of due process in detention.”

As a State Party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, India is obligated to ensure the principles of legality and the right to liberty and security.

The right to liberty and security includes the right not to be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention, the right to know the reasons for one’s detention and charges, if any, the right to be brought before a judge within a reasonable time following arrest or detention, and the right to appeal to a court of law to review the arrest or detention.

Where persons detained under the PSA have been transferred outside Jammu and Kashmir, the authorities are also obligated to guarantee them, “adequate time and facilities for the preparation of … [a] defence and to communicate with counsel of…[their] own choosing.” . As noted in the OHCHR’s June 2018 report, the Human Rights Committee raised concerns in relation to the system of administrative detention in India and made recommendations which have yet to be fully implemented.

Likewise, although in 2014 the Committee on the Rights of the Child recommended India that all persons under the age of 18 be handled by the juvenile justice system in all circumstances, and that age verification procedures be consistently and effectively applied, information received by OHCHR indicates that there have been cases of children under 18 years being detained under the PSA in 2018 and 2019.

OHCHR was informed that there are several cases where children under the age of 18 were being held in police station lock-ups for several days without charge and were being mistreated, even being required to pay for their meals.

In February 2019, the Jammu and Kashmir High Court rescinded an order of the Jammu and Kashmir Director General of Police (Prisons) that sought to shift an “under trial”128 prisoner outside the state. The High Court established that the state was unable to demonstrate that the transfer (of the detainee) was done to meet any administrative exigency or emergency. However, observers have expressed skepticism that this decision will stop the transfer of PSA detainees outside of Jammu and Kashmir.

Full report here:
United Nations (ohchr.org)


Dont pollute this thread with your shit. Create your own thread. Stay on topic !

Topic is about mass rapes and concentration camps for uighurs in china...
 
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some times I also wonder how much you get paid per post on this forum?
Is it good enough for a monthly wage?
correct... these folks are getting really really annoying. i wonder why the moderators are keeping them around. these are state actors designed to push their ccp narrative;

man, it is really pathetic overall.

remember, they have a population who dont work just sit on keyboards; so the propaganda ministry said, let us use them. I guess they dont have good online games or social life so they are here to feel great and propagate.

I wonder if they do have income tax on such income?
There's still genocide going on in Xinjiang regardless of what Indians do to the Kashmiri. I'll make an argument that China is worse because they tortured someone for having a beard & reading the Quran so we should focus on them.

These CCP actors deliberately will try to slander and sway from the narrative. It is a repeated practise including whataboutism.

there is genocide happening and it is a fact;
 
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South Africa should take the lead in criticising the cultural genocide in Xinjiang
By Magnus Fiskesjö• 28 July 2019

Acehnese Muslims in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, take part in a protest rally in support of Muslims in China. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Hotli Simanjuntak)

The Chinese regime’s campaign against the Uyghur, Kazakh and others is already a genocide, as in ‘acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such’, and meets all five criteria of genocide.



Call me a naïve foreigner, but despite everything, I still think of South Africa as a beacon of human rights in the world. This is, after all, the country that overcame apartheid and set an example for the world with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which I followed from afar with great admiration.
Thus I was relieved when I saw that South Africa and some other important African counties such as Ethiopia were not on the list of the 37 countries organised by the Chinese government recently to support its actions in Xinjiang at the UN human rights forum in Geneva.

I told friends that there might even be hope that South Africa could take the lead in criticising the mass campaign of forced cultural assimilation and concentration camps now underway in the province of Xinjiang. Other than global opinion, or perhaps sanctions such as those once imposed on the apartheid regime in South Africa, there isn’t much that can stop this catastrophe.
The human rights violations in Xinjiang are unfolding on a truly shocking scale: it is, hands down, one of the largest and worst human rights tragedies of this century. It is appalling that any decent country could endorse it and enable these crimes.


The most damning feature of China’s actions is the plainly racist collective punishment of millions of innocent people. The Uyghur, Kazakh and other native peoples in Xinjiang region, numbering about 12 million, are targeted by a wide-ranging assault on their ordinary culture, language, and religion.

Houses of worship along with ancient cemeteries are bulldozed. Every day religion is criminalised. The bilingual signs once used in the region are painted over. Children are forbidden to speak their native languages at school. Ordinary people are forced to eat pork and told that if they refuse, they are “extremists”. If so categorised, they are sent to corrective camps where they are brutally brainwashed into denying their own ethnic and religious identity. More than a million have been sent to this new camp system.
All these things are not just allegations, but are confirmed by large numbers of witnesses. Most haunting is how detainees are humiliated until their very soul is broken: “… like robots. They seemed to have lost their soul… like people who lost their memory after a car crash.”
The massive collective trauma which is now being inflicted on people inside and outside these concentration camps will be felt for decades to come, further reinforced by the gigantic horror of family separations and how indigenous children sent to Chinese-only “orphanages” in which they are isolated from not only their families, but from their native language and culture. It is clear that it is the Chinese regime that is the true extremist here, and that this no longer has anything to do with terrorism, as the Chinese government tries to argue. (If anything, it is a policy to foment terrorism).
The Chinese government is out to destroy ethnic diversity by eliminating ethnicities they hate. At first, they tried to deny and hide what they were doing. But there was overwhelming evidence collected from satellite imagery, showing the unprecedented building of barbed wire prison camps in 2017-19.
So, they switched to acknowledging the campaign, but justifying the camps as “vocational training”. This, including how credulous foreign journalists are herded around fake camps built to mislead, is a lot like the Nazi propaganda effort, in its day. But such efforts have also been exposed as lies, even by means of the government’s own records. What is more, refugees from China recognise law-abiding, highly educated indigenous citizens in TV footage shown to foreigners of people being “trained” in these fake camps.
The entire campaign is outside the law: None of the hundreds of thousands indefinitely detained ever had the opportunity of challenging their punishment in court: this is why the term “concentration camps” is very much justified. And while we do not have proof of mass killings of inmates, the many reports of secret prison transfers are cause for alarm, since they may herald such killings carried out in secret to eliminate anyone whose dignity remains unbreakable.
Another highly revealing element of the campaign is the mass detention of the most admired indigenous singers, writers, academics, poets, clerics and so on. A recent count confirmed 435 indigenous cultural icons and intellectuals disappeared without a trace. They include the renowned star artist Sanubar Tursun, who had to miss her scheduled performance in France in February 2019. If she is still alive, this virtuoso singer is likely also suffering in the lawless camps now. It is clear that the Chinese regime is targeting all these admired figures, alongside hundreds of thousands of ordinary people, in order to destroy the dignity and identity of these indigenous peoples.
In my view, this means that the Chinese regime’s campaign against the Uyghur, Kazakh and others is already a genocide, as in “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such,” and already meets all five criteria of genocide as defined in article 2 of the 1948 international Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. It’s genocide in a new, most cruel form, which some call “cultural genocide.”
This is taking the world in the wrong direction, and that is why the world cannot accept it. There are even many brave Chinese people who have protested against their own government’s policies in Xinjiang, at great risk to themselves (and some are in prison for it). Xinjiang is a human rights catastrophe, that must be condemned by upright people everywhere, and by all the countries in the world.
Otherwise, we all may be next. DM
Dr Magnus Fiskesjö, from Sweden, is an associate professor in anthropology at Cornell University, US. He began travelling to China in 1977 and was formerly cultural attaché at Sweden’s Embassy in Beijing and director of the Museum of Far Eastern Antiquities in Stockholm, Sweden. His long-term research focus is ethnic relations and minorities in China and Asia.
Cape SAJBD welcomes decision declaring Uyghur persecution a genocide
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By Mathilde Myburgh
The Cape South African Jewish Board of Deputies (Cape SAJBD) welcomes the passage of a motion in Canada’s House of Commons on Monday 22 February, which declares the persecution of the Uyghur people by the People’s Republic of China an act of genocide under international law.

In sitting number 63 on Monday 22 February, the House passed a motion of opposition regarding religious minorities in China, with 266 votes in favour and zero against.

The motion text details that, in the opinion of the House, the People’s Republic of China had engaged in actions that are consistent with the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 260, better known as the ‘Genocide Convention’ — which includes using detention camps and measures intended to prevent births of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims.

Given its policy had been to act in concert with its allies when it comes to recognising the genocide, and given bipartisan consensus in the United States in two consecutive administrations that Uyghur and other Turkic Muslims are being subjected to a genocide by the People’s Republic of China, the House overwhelmingly recognised this genocide, a welcome development.

It has called upon the International Olympic Committee to move the 2022 Winter Olympics out of Beijing should the Chinese government continue this genocide.

In line with the Cape SAJBD’s objectives and the experiences of the Jewish community with genocide and antisemitism, and with the annual Yom HaShoah recently observed in April, we unequivocally support this motion passed by Canada’s House of Commons.

It is our firmly held belief that the religious and civil rights, status and welfare of any citizen of a country be safeguarded by its government and defended by human rights organisations locally and globally. In South Africa, protecting the human rights of our Jewish constituency and the people of the Western Cape is at the very core of what the Cape SAJBD does. We work hard to promote harmonious relations between the Jewish community and other communities, and we empathise with the Uyghur and other Turkic Muslim communities facing this plight at the hands of their fellow citizens and their government.

We welcome global attention to the plight of Uyghur and Turkic Muslims in the People’s Republic of China and pray that the visibility of this and other decisions and utterances by institutions and communities alike afford these minority communities routes to representation and ultimately, liberation.

According to Wikipedia, the Uyghur community is recognised by the Chinese government as a regional minority community, native to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of Northwest China. It is estimated that since 2015, over a million Uyghurs have been detained in internment camps over a governmental goal to ensure adherence to national ideology by “re-educating” Uyghurs and changing their political thinking, sense of identity and religious beliefs. In South Africa, with a 25-year-old Constitution praised the world over for its progressive and inclusive content, such acts against fellow countrymen are illegal. This forced “re-education” goes against the very grain of South Africa’s Bill of Rights, which places every citizen as equal before the law, with the right to equally be protected by and benefit from it. Discriminating against one another on the grounds of race, gender, sex, ethnic or social origin, sexual orientation, religion, conscience, belief, culture or language is prohibited, unconscionable and, frankly, un-South African.

Chinese authorities estimate there are 12 million Uyghur people in the country, which has been disputed by the community itself as early as 2003, arguing that their 20 million+ population is purposefully being undercounted.

As early as 2017, Human Rights Watch called for the People’s Government of China to immediately release Uyghur people held in unlawful political education centres in Xinjiang. We must never forget the lessons learned in the Shoah and its aftermath.
 
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There you have it. The question was asked and he had this once chance to answer it for his public and he spoke what he had to.

Did he say there is no problem? There is no genocide? No mistreatment? No harassment?

Or did he acknowledge the existence of a problem that he wanted to address internally "because of the benefits they get from being on good terms with China"?


If most of you Pakistanis still want to live in denial or carry on with your "corrupt" or "ignorant" behavior (instead of relying on personal research). Then I hope you do understand the crime you are all taking part in. If you still have souls that remind you of being on the right side of things for at least the part of knowing it to be a wrong in your heart (the lowest state of imaan).

Interesting thing is why do Pakistani always get asked about Uyghurs .... Why don't they ask the UAE? Why don't they ask the Saudis? Why don't they ask the Omani? Why don't they ask the Bahraini???... Why always Pakistan?

Because it's all BS... They whole Uyghur Fake News is designed to break Pakistan-China alliance... Nothing more.
 
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Interesting thing is why do Pakistani always get asked about Uyghurs .... Why don't they ask the UAE? Why don't they ask the Saudis? Why don't they ask the Omani? Why don't they ask the Bahraini???... Why always Pakistan?

Because it's all BS... They whole Uyghur Fake News is designed to break Pakistan-China alliance... Nothing more.

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