Alienation Of Indian Muslims

[burper]

amazing forum. it seems our friends in pakistan and BD are more interested in problems of india rather than there own country. they want to leave no stone unturned. good!! though muslims in india have a brighter future in india than there.

"mistreatment" is a wrong word. "discrimination" should be the right word. the mistreatment of muslims in india is mostly because of there own doing. most indian muslims in india fail to get in to the mainstream.

there are many muslims here who've done mba, engineering etc and work for the best companies in india. but there are those muslims who send there kids to madrassas and such institutions for educations and in these times of competition, they fail to get jobs. the muslims at ground levels are the one's who're discriminated against. say there are two uneducated fellows. one hindu and one muslim then the hindu fellow will be most likely be chosen for the labourer's job than the muslim guy.

the bomb blasts in the capital and other parts of the country have made the situation more bad for the muslims. some muslim IT engineers went around the city seaching for wifi hot spots and sent terror e-mails to news channels. so now there might be chances of muslims getting discriminated in professional level too. nobody wants to take chances of employing a muslim because you just don't know when they'll be radically indoctrinated and blow up trains and shops.

the biggest threat for indian muslims is ARABIZATION. so the more they watch bollywood movies and the more they mix up in indian culture, the better for them - the door's of mainstream.

 

[burper]

they never forget to blame your failure on india.

we know where were going wrong and there are millions of indians who criticize in india on a daily basis. we know our problems. inequality, discrimination, dowry are among one of them and our law prohibits them.

looking at pakistan and how it cultivated terrorism as "freedom fighters" throughout the years in an effort to de-stabilize IOK and how the "supposed freedom fighters" have bitten the same hand that it ate once fed upon is amazing. even on this forum, majority of pakistani's and BD's support them with there heart.

i would say if you cannot pin point your own problem then don't pin point someone else's problems. it's hypocrisy at it's best.

 

[Spring Onion]

Here u come again....... plz change ur avatar pic, its so cute and innocent looking and completely gives a wrong impression about u.......

mr xxxxxxxxxxxxx i am now toooooooo much used to such Personal Attacks by many people here so just a for you.

I am cute for that i dont need any certificate from anyone.

i m saying that, when u r not able to take care of fellow muslims, y r u saying hindus should take care of muslims, Indian muslims can take care of thamselves.........



U people cannot take care of ur own fellow muslims...... how much economically developed SWAT is????? how much had it developed in last 60 years??? or how much have whole of pakistan developed economically in last 60 years????? have u uplifted urself, when talking about Indian muslims??????

My dear still we do not find thousands sleeping on foothpaths.

u have just 1 month of forex reserves left.........

Not a new phenomenon for many countries in 1991, 94, 95 Indian was left with forex reserves only for a week rather 6 days. Its a common phenomenon regarding economy.

BTW you missed the news today our reserves swelled from 19 million to 8.3 or so billions.

tell me, r muslims in ur country economically developed in any way..

When British left in 1947, they predicted that India will be a failed state and Pakistan will prosper, but now Pakistan is 9th most failed state in the world according to the survey......and India among top 10 world economies...............

r u developed, tell me?????

By despite India is said to be top on economic list by grace of Allah not much of Pakistanis go empty stomach to bed.

You will find hardly few dozens sleeping on foothpaths in Pakistan.

 

[burper]

By despite India is said to be top on economic list by grace of Allah not much of Pakistanis go empty stomach to bed.

that is not allah's grace. that's torture. similar to christian charity works in the US.
they feed them enough to keep them alive but still make them live in the gallops of poverty.

My dear still we do not find thousands sleeping on foothpaths.
You will find hardly few dozens sleeping on foothpaths in Pakistan.

stop using double standards.
india has a huge population. just the banks in europe have become too big to be saved from the economic crisis, same is it with poverty in india. your comments are attacks rather than statements. be a bit understandable women.

 

[Spring Onion]

well u have a good habit of turning softly so fast.....

y dont u join politics, maybe something good happens??????

My dear its not turning softly rather it is that i had been raised in a very civilized atmosphere where i had been taught not to reply the abuses of others in the same language as if i do so there will be no difference between them and me.

If you abuse me defintly my blood will boil as humanbeing but then the brave thing is not to reply you in the same manner.

 

[Logic note]

my dear logic your views might be right to some extent with regard to some other countries but in India it is not the problem of struggle between radicalism amd modernism as this phenomenon is also present among Hindus too.

Yes this struggle is in every religious or human ideology including Hinduism however no other group doesnt take extremism to this level

The Indian Muslims are facing identity crisis and their faith is taken for consideration with regard to certain kind of treatment by the ruling majority.

can you be specific ??

 

[Vanguard_786]

India gives me a choice, Pakistan does not !!

As an Indian, I am free to do anything . My father was free to join the railways. I was free to join college and get a degree. I was free to work in India without discrimination. Even though I am no longer in India, at heart , I am still Indian and will remain so.

The fanatics in India, both Hindu and Muslim do not worry me ! India has a place for each and everyone. It does not discriminate !

Now if my family had made the mistake, that many muslims foolishly did in 1947, I would today be a Mohajir, a hated minority in Pakistan. I would have been severly discriminated against by Sindhis and Punjabis. My leaders would be in jail or in exile. I would be randomly picked up by the military police and accused of being a terrorist.

India gives me a choice and I have my own special place in my country

 

[Ali.009]

Whose calling india a 'country'? Its just a bunch of states bound together, every state has great differences between eachother, it never has been a single country in history. Even the name 'India' is for the 'people of Indus' i.e Pakistan, they dont even have a proper name of their own.

-Regards

 

[Logic note]

New Age Islam: Mapping an Agenda for the Twenty-first Century.

Terrorism in Pakistan, Celebrating Ramadan, jihadi style
By Muqtedar Khan

Ramadan mubarak?
In the month of Ramadan, when even frowning is undesirable, some Muslims with poisoned minds have chosen to murder and maim indiscriminately.

Ramadan is the ninth month in the Islamic calendar and serves as a spiritual boot camp for Muslims. In this month, Muslims fast from dawn to dusk everyday; abstaining from food, water, sex and anything unpleasant and immoral. One is not allowed to get angry, speak rudely or even think of bad things. The purpose of the month is to take a break from deep entanglements in mundane affairs and make a systematic and concerted effort to reconnect with the divine and work on improving one's personal moral character.

For me, Ramadan is about returning to the fountain of truth and drinking from it as deeply as possible. It is not the parched throat but rather the parched soul that is my concern, so I study the Quran and contemplate on it. Other Muslims adhere more closely to rituals. I believe that while rituals discipline, knowledge is more transformative. But too each his own. The goal in Ramadan is really is to find a way, ritual, spiritual or intellectual, to get closer to God.

But unfortunately, for some Muslims, murder and mayhem rather than prayer and fasting have become the way to celebrate Ramadan.

On September 6th, in the first week of Ramadan, two suicide bombers killed over 50 people in Peshawar, Pakistan. On September 13th, five bombs killed over 30 in New Delhi, India. On September 15th, a female suicide bomber blew herself up at a Ramadan fast breaking ceremony killing 22 people in Diyala, Iraq. On September 17th, a truck bomb and some militants attacked the US embassy in San'a, Yemen killing 16 people and on September 20th a massive truck bomb killed over 60 people in Islamabad, Pakistan.

All of these attacks have been conducted by people who call themselves "Jihadis", this they claim is their struggle in the path of God. One cannot imagine to what extent the minds and the hearts of these people have become poisoned that in the month of Ramadan when even frowning is undesirable, they chose to murder and maim indiscriminately. The most incomprehensible aspect of these atrocities is that a vast majority of their victims are the very people on whose behalf these wars are waged!

If they want to fight and die for God, they are welcome. There are over 200,000 American soldiers, in Iraq and Afghanistan, who are there specifically to oblige them. Why not go and fight them?

These cowards, who call themselves Jihadis, run and hide from soldiers seeking to fight them and instead target helpless and unarmed civilians. They repeatedly confirm that they have no regard for social order, for law, for human life and even for the sacred injunctions from the God whose pleasure they seek through violence.

If they really wish to wage a Jihad (struggle) in this holy month of Ramadan, then their first target should be their own cowardice and the profound Jahiliyyah (ignorance) that disables them from seeing what is right and what is wrong.

There are three kinds of Muslim responses to these never ending atrocities. Some Muslims condemn, oppose and actively reject the Jihadis and their agenda of global anarchy. I wish they would be better organized and more effective.

Another minority, unfortunately, appreciates and supports the Jihadis. I pray that this Ramadan may open their eyes to the true reality of the Jihadi phenomenon. It preys on the weak and the helpless, has achieved absolutely nothing of value for Muslims, and has pushed a large number of people in the world to despise Islam and hate Muslims.

And then there is a significant Muslim population that lives in denial. They also are intellectually dishonest. They first deny that there is such a thing as jihadi terrorism, resorting to conspiracy theories blaming every act of Jihadi violence either on Israel, the US or India. Then they argue that unjust wars by these three nations (in Palestine, Iraq and Kashmir) is the primary cause for Jihadi violence; a phenomenon whose very existence they have already denied.

Unless Muslims wakeup to the culture of terrorism in their world and act to eradicate it, they may find themselves isolated and shunned from the rest of the world, while also being the biggest victims of the very phenomenon they do not fight.
September 23, 2008

Muqtedar Khan is Director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware and a Fellow of the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.

 

[Logic note]

Whose calling india a 'country'? Its just a bunch of states bound together, every state has great differences between eachother, it never has been a single country in history. Even the name 'India' is for the 'people of Indus' i.e Pakistan, they dont even have a proper name of their own.

-Regards

 

[Desipride]

Muslims of the Indian subcontinent under the British did not have an easy ride yet they proved their loyalty to the crown for eg.

ask what you can do for the nation and not what the nation can do for you..

If muslims are feeling alienated the onus is on them aswell to end the alienation, India is their motherland why should they leave it or why should they divide it to deprive others of theirs?

Such talks of breaking division etc. is but a base quality of man, from my little understanding of religions, a division is antithetical to their tenets.

 

[A M J]

Muslims of the Indian subcontinent under the British did not have an easy ride yet they proved their loyalty to the crown for eg.

ask what you can do for the nation and not what the nation can do for you..

If muslims are feeling alienated the onus is on them aswell to end the alienation, India is their motherland why should they leave it or why should they divide it to deprive others of theirs?

Such talks of breaking division etc. is but a base quality of man, from my little understanding of religions, a division is antithetical to their tenets.

Man u need not say such intellectual things here.....

they will call it crap and will delete ur posts.......

If u say such high level things, then people bound with low mentality aren't gonna understand..........

just say caste system was at higher levels some time ago, but is diminishing, and will slowly fade away..............till then let some say we are caste biased.........

 

[A M J]

Whose calling india a 'country'? Its just a bunch of states bound together, every state has great differences between eachother, it never has been a single country in history. Even the name 'India' is for the 'people of Indus' i.e Pakistan, they dont even have a proper name of their own.

-Regards

Man pakistan itself has come out of India.........

whats the point in being like this????

I am sure mods will delete this post coz if i had written the same about pakistan, then what would have they done...... some mods plz take some action, for these type of people........

 

[Vinod2070]

Whose calling india a 'country'? Its just a bunch of states bound together, every state has great differences between eachother, it never has been a single country in history. Even the name 'India' is for the 'people of Indus' i.e Pakistan, they dont even have a proper name of their own.

-Regards

The shoe is on the other foot.

The name Pakistan (IPA: [paːkɪst̪aːn]) means Land of (the) Pure in Urdu and Persian. It was coined in 1934 as Pakstan by Choudhary Rahmat Ali, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never. The name represented the "thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of British Raj — Punjab, Afghania (also known as North-West Frontier Province), Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan."

India does not represent a collection of state. Its Pakistan that does that.

India represents an ancient civilization, a nation, an inclusive tolerant culture that doesn't just tolerate but celebrates diversity, more diversity than almost any other country in the world.

The world recognizes these facts, even if some Pakistanis don't want to.

Though it still remains a mystery why you need to hate your own origins so bad!

 

[Desipride]

Someone raised the point of refusing Shabana Azmi, unfortunately I would too if it were my premises. Call me what you will, her lesbian portrayal has offended me, her social reforms & press conferences would create chaos in the neighbourhood. I would refuse Saif Ali Khan, Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan too because of their wild ways.
It would hardly make a difference if instead of Shabhana Azmi, Nandita Das comes or instead of teh Khans, the Kapoors come.
I have certain requirements in the neighbourhood where I live aka educated, well to do, decent people should be in my colony, I don't want a Muslim whose wife is Burkha Clad or a Sikh Nihang drinking Bhang or a pot bellied Hindu astrologer aka fleecer or a Naked Jain or a Buddhist Bikhsu or a Homosexual or a Criminal or an unmarried couple or "rock stars" or tamashay walay etc. in my neighbourhood..


I don't generally socialise with people who are from a particular strata of the society or have "backward" thinking, or are uneducated etc. (not that I am averse to it but such is the case)... Muslims of India in this regard(education, wealth etc) lag behind other communities.. so they have been excluded from the middle class..hence alienation viz a viz them to some extent..


Post Babri Masjid many preferred to live in Muslim dominated regions, and if one notices any developing nation, urban centres attract migrants like honey flies.. and migrants generally prefer living with their own (family/religion/state etc in slums/poor neighbourhoods) this too leads to "ghettoization".. I think a sociology major can help us out here.. the same way educated middle class migrants would prefer living with their own.. the students from outta town with their own etc..


Most importantly, the majority of the population of INdia still lives in rural areas where ghettoization is absent.In urban areas alienation of communities incl muslims would continue for some time, till the income divide (between rural and urban) ceases, migration drops and the city dwellers get educated, raise their income levels and then ghettoize themselves on the basis of status rather than religious/ethnic affiliation..