Alice Wells’ visit to Pakistan — a nod for multi alignment with US? : OP ED, The News

[MastanKhan]

We took side after 9/11, how did it go?

And to side with GCC (and America by default) against Iran, to what end? Regime change?

hi

you did not take no side. It was a superficial act that made pakistan lose billions.

if you had taken sides in a timely manner, the nation would not be in the sh ithole that it is in.

it was a half arsed commitment that backfired as it was supposed to.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

hi

you did not take no side. It was a superficial act that made pakistan lose billions.

if you had taken sides in a timely manner, the nation would not be in the sh ithole that it is in.

it was a half arsed commitment that backfired as it was supposed to.

Half hearted? You allowed US to use your territory, airspace, your airbases ( for which you didn't even charge them a dim!) , above all, you let them carpet bombed your own proxies which you have so meticulously installed over the number of years, you didn't even whimper that after all the help you gave, you saw RAW entrench itself under the patronage of the same countries you were helping in Afghanistan. 70k, I repeat, 70k of your citizens died with you taking the sides.

So, the question remain, to what ends? What is the endgame if we side with GCC/America against Iran? Regime change? Do you have stomach to lose another 70k citizens in next round of asymmetric warfare? I don't, most of us don't.

 

[MastanKhan]

Half hearted? You allowed US to use your territory, airspace, your airbases ( for which you didn't even charge them a dim!) , above all, you let them carpet bombed your own proxies which you have so meticulously installed over the number of years, you didn't even whimper that after all the help you gave, you saw RAW entrench itself under the patronage of the same countries you were helping in Afghanistan. 70k, I repeat, 70k of your citizens died with you taking the sides.

So, the question remain, to what ends? What is the endgame if we side with GCC/America against Iran? Regime change? Do you have stomach to lose another 70k citizens in next round of asymmetric warfare? I don't, most of us don't.

hi

it is you The Public—-the pakistani public—who acted as the enemy of pakistan

 

[MastanKhan]

Ah fucktard
U read too much of western historians who live and die for the money
Are you muslim ? If not , then I you should read about core .Islam and why muslims.fight in the first place. And that there is no concept of a country in Islam.
Learn more and don't write anything till.your comprehension is fully developed.

Hi,

Oh really---muslim armies fighting for free---and how were their familes fed---and supported---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Half hearted? You allowed US to use your territory, airspace, your airbases ( for which you didn't even charge them a dim!) , above all, you let them carpet bombed your own proxies which you have so meticulously installed over the number of years, you didn't even whimper that after all the help you gave, you saw RAW entrench itself under the patronage of the same countries you were helping in Afghanistan. 70k, I repeat, 70k of your citizens died with you taking the sides.

So, the question remain, to what ends? What is the endgame if we side with GCC/America against Iran? Regime change? Do you have stomach to lose another 70k citizens in next round of asymmetric warfare? I don't, most of us don't.

Hi,

I have already answered---.

Ah fucktard
U read too much of western historians who live and die for the money
Are you muslim ? If not , then I you should read about core .Islam and why muslims.fight in the first place. And that there is no concept of a country in Islam.
Learn more and don't write anything till.your comprehension is fully developed.

Hi,

You are illiterate and a despicable person and will stay such for the rest of your life---because yu have no learning abilities.

And yes---all those great warriors had their share from the maal a Ghanimat---.

Go ask you masjid Imam the next time you happen to go to your Jumaa prayers.

https://asqfish.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/war-booty-the-etiquette-of-distribution-841/



https://www.quora.com/What-is-Maal-e-Ghanimat-How-is-it-to-be-divided-as-per-Islamic-law

 

[Taimoor Khan]

hi

it is you The Public—-the pakistani public—who acted as the enemy of pakistan

You have not answered a single point I raised.

 

[MastanKhan]

You have not answered a single point I raised.

Hi

I have answered your points over a 100 times on this forum.

and the post you responded to had the content

 

[El Sidd]

So what happened to the visit?

It has received less of a limelight than Laura Bush killing a man.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Hi

I have answered your points over a 100 times on this forum.

and the post you responded to had the content

We hardly interact, you are confusing me with someone else.

Why don't we have a civil discussion? lets war game this. In your opinion, why should be join this GCC/American/Zionist quest for obliterating Iran? What is the dividend for us? Are we going to see "OUR" men rule Tehran after we are done with current regime? If not, who will be rulers of Iran in future? Another western settled and influenced , Hamid Karzai type person over whom Pakistan have no influence what so ever. Are you fully aware of the consequence of such regime installed in Iran? Are you aware, that if things go south, we don't even have any proxy inside Iran to do our bidding? Where would India will be in such scenario considering how close it is to American/Zionist establishment. Are you taking into account that Indians just might descend like locust swarm over Iran after we have helped GCC/American goals in Iran?

What late Gen Gul said, "Camp Afghanistan and target Pakistan" , can easily turn into "Camp Iran and target Pakistan".

 

[Path-Finder]

#sendthewitchpacking

 

[KhanBaba2]

So what happened to the visit?

It has received less of a limelight than Laura Bush killing a man.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/comp...ey-list-alice-wells-to-pakistan.650755/page-4

 

[nahtanbob]

Hi,

Are you that innocent or is there a shadow of a lower level of intellect---.

Next time you go to Friday prayers---stand up and declare Khalid Bin Waleed a non muslim---.

You kids are really thick headed---spend al the time on pornography and jerking off---.

The primary target is to protect pakistan---protecting gcc is secondary---but don't indulge---you are not capable to understand the phenomenon---.

you are assuming pakistani troops can win the war in Yemen

assume they win the war for the Saudis. Then what is next for Saudis and Pakistanis ?

assume they lose the war or it is a bloody stalemate. What is next for Pakistan ?

 

[khansaheeb]

Mastan

• Our national policy is no war in our backyard
• Many European Nations maintained a no-war policy in world war
• We have supported dialog between Qatar - Saudia
• We have supported dialog between Iran - Saudia
• We have supported peace in Afghanistan
• We have given discounts in transit trade to Afghanistan

Pakistan has a universal peace policy with our neighbors (Iran - Afghanistan-China- Khalistan)

We have a great relationships with GCC nations goes back 70 years

Pakistan has no beef with USA

What has occurred between USA - Iran it is their own matter which they will resolve thru dialog in future governments, we really had no real advance knowledge of any event so we can't comment on the current status of USA-iRAN dynamic

Pakistan - US ties are 50 years old , and generally are focused on people to people contact and trade and Education


Pakistan Army is busy at our own borders so we really can't be sending Troops unless it was for the security of the Holy Mosques, as far as I know most GCC countries have their own military

There was a massive difference in how Prime Minister Imran Khan was received in USA
Maybe this signaled a normalizing of ties

After all recently we have seen a Deal Breakthru between China and USA as well
on trade issues which were once considered impossible to resolve

You mean: Pakistan has no Pork with USA ?

 

[Genghis khan1]

We hardly interact, you are confusing me with someone else.

Why don't we have a civil discussion? lets war game this. In your opinion, why should be join this GCC/American/Zionist quest for obliterating Iran? What is the dividend for us? Are we going to see "OUR" men rule Tehran after we are done with current regime? If not, who will be rulers of Iran in future? Another western settled and influenced , Hamid Karzai type person over whom Pakistan have no influence what so ever. Are you fully aware of the consequence of such regime installed in Iran? Are you aware, that if things go south, we don't even have any proxy inside Iran to do our bidding? Where would India will be in such scenario considering how close it is to American/Zionist establishment. Are you taking into account that Indians just might descend like locust swarm over Iran after we have helped GCC/American goals in Iran?

What late Gen Gul said, "Camp Afghanistan and target Pakistan" , can easily turn into "Camp Iran and target Pakistan".

Pakistan could have totally capitalized on the Syrian campaign. Not only it was the right thing to do, but Pakistan would not be in the same financial shithole like it is right now. GCC and Turkey were totally on board. This would have discouraged Tahren in their adventure in Iraq, Bahrain, and Yemen. Rest Yemen campaign would have been an added bonus to milk more money out of GCC. Pakistan could have easily got rid of most of the foreign loans, that are eating away at half of the budget. Have enough money to at least a few dams on it's own. forged new alliance, that will be useful when we need them during a conflict with India. Renewed all weapons stockpiles. Could have get rid of old Tanks and jets as a giveaway, to rebuild new Syrian and Yemen armies (Paid for by Habibis). All the weaponry in inventory has a shelf life, Pakistan needs to replace all this hardware sooner or later. That's what the US does, start a new conflict and get rid of old crap and spank two or three weak nations to maintain its clout.

No, but Pakistan politicians loyal to Pakistan neighbors decided to **** up the situation.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Hi,

Cowardice makes you neutral---otherwise no man is born neutral---including women---.

Pakistan showed extreme cowardice staying neutral in the last 5 + years starting with the Yemen crisis---.

And now pakistan does not have a foothold to stand on---. It is literally begging around looking for help to save its economy and is finding out that there are no takers.

Iran---shooting down the aircraft have shot themselves in the foot and any aggression and posturing on their part has fizzled out---.

Even though a lots of TALKERS on this forum and in pakistan claimed big talk about what Iran would do---but those two SA missiles just completely shut down Iran.

Pakistan was somewhat counting on that.

And Imran Khan was somewhat NAIVE to tell the americans in the US to be wary pf Iran because the iranians are tougher than the afghans---.

That statement showed that Imran Khan had no clue how powerful a nation the US is militarily and how its military responds proportionately against the enemy's threats and assets---meaning not all all enemies be retaliated with a similar kind of force and weapons---.

If today---pakistan had 150000 troops stationed in different blocks of GCC---this crisis would not have come up at all---.

150 K troops would have brought in at least 250000 to 400000 extra civilian jobs in the GCC---well paying jobs---.

So---with close to 500000 new jobs would have resulted in a house building boom in pakistan---. Let us say 250000 new houses---.

The govt report says that for every new house build---it creates 40 new jobs---that is in just one area---.

The US agenda for pakistan is only known to the US---right now it is build up on SHIFTING SANDS and there is a total lack of stability in it---and it is reflective of the internal and external policies of the US---.

The america of today has become extremely unpredictable---hot one minute---cold the other---.

It is about time that pakistan change its policy of neutrality---. It is high time to move away from our neighbor Iran and associate ourselves openly with the GCC---.

Iran is at its weakest today with a massive internal turmoil due to its own doings---any support of staying neutral means that pakistan would be supporting Iran's Agenda.

Pakistan needs to move out of this " CURSED " situation---make a choice---think of pakistan first and ally with benefactors who have supported Pakistan throughout its existence with all the moral and financial help possible---.

Alice Wells has an agenda---she had clearly spoken her mind about pakistan awhile ago and it was not very pleasant---. That is her real stand---. Now if the US needs pakistan---she will make a temporary adjustment in that position---but that stance would stay temporary till she may want to change it for the next crisis---which who knows is headed to what direction---.

@jaibi ---sir if that is not your article---please post a link to that article---. The disclaimer in the bottom is not enough---.

A common misperception is that America likes or dislikes Pakistan because it is Pakistan as a country. Well, sure there are may variable but, a most important one is Where Pakistan stand, what it is doing, how the world sees it, how is he planning to move along rest of local gangsters in the region. As long as you move in a pack, you seem strong, even tho you are not. Pakistan decided to left the wolf-Pack when the pack asked to howl together.