Alice Wells’ visit to Pakistan — a nod for multi alignment with US? : OP ED, The News

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Our government has decided to "NOT to ask for anything or any financial help" from US, and the whole pdf is fucking begging like whores.

Do you guys have any self-respect?
Have you forgotten what happened to the last deals?
You still want more up your behind?

I believe the CSF is reimbursement for our old cost a bill unpaid
The Super Cobras were paid for already
FATF support for discussed at the diplomatic front
F16V is an ongoing discussion

The focus on trade is also something diplomatically discussed for a considerable long time

I believe in order for the relations to move to next step the old pending issues need to be sorted out and Pakistan has been patient from our end

We have facilitated a peace in Afghanistan and have allowed free transit for Afghan goods for long time out of our generosity


Pakistan has generally done what is best for region and peace

• We have housed refugees when needed
• Many refugees got educated in Pakistan and now live a happy life
• We have helped with international efforts to promote peace in the region
• Played our part in recent peace efforts
• We constructed a fantastic border (fence) to prevent illegal crossing

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

yet its citizens act like WEAKLINGS--

People who cant marry their sons and daughters outside their 'baradari' can never form an effective nation that we dream of.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The Super Cobras were paid for already

U talking about AH 1Z? No we haven't paid

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I might add a very different view point as to why Pakistan wants to remain neutral. It has to do with China and the transitions taking place in the Chinese Military domains. I know it won't make sense to some but China wants to transform its military into an AI military by 2035 which is only 15-years away!! Just have a look at Chinese military whitepapers to understand this. The 3-phases of this transformation are Industry-based Military (Present) -->Netcentric Military -->AI Military. Due to geopolitical and geo-strategic needs, Pakistan is being dragged along by China. So in the next 15-years when the Chinese military becomes an AI based military, the target is that Pakistan's military needs to be in the 'Digital Military' status and bordering AI. Have a look at what is going on in Pak Military today and you will get the hint of what I am saying.
For all this to happen, it is imperative that Pakistan does not get involve in wars, its military resources are not stretched but rather used to achieve the 'Netcentric Military' status.

And that is why I think that the Pak Military will not get involve in ME, and will only stick with India, and with its powerplay in A-Stan.

By 2035 they want to divide the USA and put a stop to her being the super power....

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

Please name three european nations who maintained a 'no war policy '.

We are already engaged in two wars, one in Afghanistan and the other with India, u wanted us to start a third one?

 

[PradoTLC]

Would it upset India if the US provided Pakistan with a squadron of F35’s?

provide us and we will let you know.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

You think short term. Acting as a mercenary today would bring in chump change. Some much needed stability for 20-30 years and realising our economic potential would lead to a situation where we can dictate terms in the future. People will plan around us, not the other way around.

You have to realise your own position before you act rashly. A country teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, lacking a true national identity, void of a sense of civic duty, full of weak leaders at best and out right enemies of the state at worst. You act like we're a superpower.

Who is Pakistani in our country? Most are Muslim first, or Shia first or sunni first, or ethnically Arab or ethnically Persian, or they're Sindhi, Punjabi, baloch or pukhtun. The rest are liberals, Conservative, socialist, lawyer or doctor - but nobody seems to be Pakistani. Foreign powers dictate our foreign policy, our economic policy, our political identity. Our leadership class looks outside the country for influence, and support. Foreign cash is stuffed into the pockets of our media, politicians and so called social activists. Do you think a country like this can play at the big boys table? The last time we tried 80,000 were killed by suicide bombers; and this was whilst the state was sniffing around looking for scraps off the big boys table.

We overhype our military capabilities because compared to the incompetence of every other pillar of state they look like supermen. Let's have a reality check. How many foreign agencies openly operate in our country? At war since 2002, has our Intel improved? Who keeps bombing quetta and how? We setup all these networks initially but them we didn't put down our dogs when they were rabid. They reaked havoc before we stopped them. How long does it take to get vital security info nationwide? Does our police have a national crime database? Integrated it systems? Trained officers? Intelligence led policing? Who crossed our borders? Where does our timber go? How does our Atta get smuggled? Why are there videos of convoys of fuel smugglers but nobody stopping them? How does the opium, guns and explosives get in? Our borders are not secure - we are vulnerable.

If we went into Yemen, Iran would activate the Shia militias it controls inside Pakistan. We'd have faced a Shia version of the TTP.

We sat by and watched as they built contacts with our criminals (Uzair Baloch). We sat and watched as they facilitated our enemies (Kulbushan). We sat and watched as they recruited terrorists (to fight in Syria/Iraq). We've failed to secure our border with them (still unfenced).

Yet you want to fight a war against them in Yemen for cash, whilst we leave our own home unprotected. This is a massive political and military failure of our state. We can't give people an opportunity to exploit it.

The way forward for us, I'd to start with basic competence at home. Secure our borders, crush the enemy within, built capability, build a society with an identity - educate our people. Build a robust economy and then try to play the games.

Absolutely

People who cant marry their sons and daughters outside their 'baradari' can never form an effective nation that we dream of.

bullseye

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Would it upset India if the US provided Pakistan with a squadron of F35’s?

Pakistan:
India:

 

[Adonis]

Keep these Zionist-Swines and their American slaves at a distance from Pakistan. 1. The best way to deal with America is straight forward, if you wanna trade then it must benefit Pakistan, if not then boot them out. If you want to sell us weapons, sell them without strings attached and we owe you squat, if not then kick them out. 2, If you want Pakistan to be your friend, then prove your worthiness to be a true friend, if not then slam the door on them.

3.But we all know that America is a state that cannot, should not and would not be trusted or to make deals with, because they are a bunch of lieing swines.

The visit has not yet occurred and we as usual have starting boasting as if we are the center of the universe.

1. It is us who were begging for their support, not the other way round......beggars are not choosers
2. ...And how Pakistan had proven their friendship to US in the past?... that was the bone of contention/ origin of this break-up...by double crossing US in case of Taliban/sheltering Mullah Omar/OBL etc.
3. Same is said in the west about you.

 

[Nasr]

The visit has not yet occurred and we as usual have starting boasting as if we are the center of the universe.

1. It is us who were begging for their support, not the other way round......beggars are not choosers
2. ...And how Pakistan had proven their friendship to US in the past?... that was the bone of contention/ origin of this break-up...by double crossing US in case of Taliban/sheltering Mullah Omar/OBL etc.
3. Same is said in the west about you.

The double cross was America and CIA who gave birth to the menace which alqaeda. So go on lecturing about america being some benevolent state, it's a criminal state and Pakistan ought not to deal with it in the first place. But in world full of devils, it's best to get the deal in our favor or boot them out.

 

[HAIDER]

Hi,

Thank you for putting those names up---.

The countries are EARTHWORM countries---have no impact on military standings---.

Turkey declared war on Germany in 1945 february---. They were hurt bad in the first world war.


If Turkey had the power that pakistan has---it would be a different nation.

I have stated many a times---pakistanis see themselves as innocent children---" don't bother us---we don't bother anyone "---and these children have no clue what powers they yield---.

Pakistan has close to two hundred nuc weapons---it is military super power of the region---. It is the 7th or 8th most militarily powerful nation of the world---and yet its citizens act like WEAKLINGS---.

For that very reason---I am a firm believer that most of the WARRIOR MUSLIM CLANS OF THE SUB CONTINENT were decimated by the british east india company after they took control of the sub continent some 200 years + ago---.

And many of the remaining were killed during the 1947 partition---. Some warrior clans who escaped from the british hid in the jungles of punjab---many were sold out to the british by the current Multani Landlords---.

The lower caste converted muslims took the names of the warring caste and acted like them---but the genetic make up was not the same---and every time---a military crisis looms on the country---they become active against the welfare of Pakistan.

You should be ashamed and embarrassed to give the examples of the weakest countries staying out of war and then PRANCING and STRUTTING over your examples.

Israel---a weakling nation in 1967---its very existence depended on victories in war---.

Britain a financially broke nation after the Napoleone war---declared wars thru its proxy in a different world---africa---sub continent and other parts of asia---.

And those countries you mentioned---the reason they did not go to war was to make money from war---thru refugees who rushed to these countries and transferred their wealth to those countries.

Again---I am concerned at the mind set of the pakistanis---to claim themselves to be equal in strength with the weakest nations of europe rather than those making decisions of power positioning and getting the rewards---.

What a defeatist mindset and thought---.

You are talking about era, when economy never played vital role in any aggression. Countries were ruled by dictator type leaders with hardcore nationalism. Citizens of the nations were less demanding, there basic needs were fulfilled. Public trusted there leader and state. And now ..... beside other issues, after second world war social revolution came in Europe and freedom of thought and public opinion become more vital in the parliament of WW2 victims nations,

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Our rangers and military men are already dying for the country---and they are dying for less money. What if they had to die for 10 or 20 or 30 times the money what then---would anyone refuse to serve---.

The problem here is---that these soldiers have not been SHOWN THE PAY PLAN for serving in the GCC---othewise there would have been a riot at the Rawalpindi garrison---.

I don't like the GCC but the mercenary argument is compelling. It truly is in Pakistani interests to get expertise embedded and on the ground in GCC simply to stop Hindustan from doing so.

At the same time, Pakistanis must not directly support the collapse of the Iranian regime.

Ideally, war profiteering and cock-blocking the India-KSA romance well away from mainland Iran, while covertly sustaining the Iranian regime works best for Pakistan.

USA will never back Pakistan against India, if not because of ideological differences then because of our alliance with China.

Hence, if Iran falls to the US-India nexus, Pakistan will be targeted next and GCC will not come to our aid.

 

[Trango Towers]

Hi,

Cowardice makes you neutral---otherwise no man is born neutral---including women---.

Pakistan showed extreme cowardice staying neutral in the last 5 + years starting with the Yemen crisis---.

And now pakistan does not have a foothold to stand on---. It is literally begging around looking for help to save its economy and is finding out that there are no takers.

Iran---shooting down the aircraft have shot themselves in the foot and any aggression and posturing on their part has fizzled out---.

Even though a lots of TALKERS on this forum and in pakistan claimed big talk about what Iran would do---but those two SA missiles just completely shut down Iran.

Pakistan was somewhat counting on that.

And Imran Khan was somewhat NAIVE to tell the americans in the US to be wary pf Iran because the iranians are tougher than the afghans---.

That statement showed that Imran Khan had no clue how powerful a nation the US is militarily and how its military responds proportionately against the enemy's threats and assets---meaning not all all enemies be retaliated with a similar kind of force and weapons---.

If today---pakistan had 150000 troops stationed in different blocks of GCC---this crisis would not have come up at all---.

150 K troops would have brought in at least 250000 to 400000 extra civilian jobs in the GCC---well paying jobs---.

So---with close to 500000 new jobs would have resulted in a house building boom in pakistan---. Let us say 250000 new houses---.

The govt report says that for every new house build---it creates 40 new jobs---that is in just one area---.

The US agenda for pakistan is only known to the US---right now it is build up on SHIFTING SANDS and there is a total lack of stability in it---and it is reflective of the internal and external policies of the US---.

The america of today has become extremely unpredictable---hot one minute---cold the other---.

It is about time that pakistan change its policy of neutrality---. It is high time to move away from our neighbor Iran and associate ourselves openly with the GCC---.

Iran is at its weakest today with a massive internal turmoil due to its own doings---any support of staying neutral means that pakistan would be supporting Iran's Agenda.

Pakistan needs to move out of this " CURSED " situation---make a choice---think of pakistan first and ally with benefactors who have supported Pakistan throughout its existence with all the moral and financial help possible---.

Alice Wells has an agenda---she had clearly spoken her mind about pakistan awhile ago and it was not very pleasant---. That is her real stand---. Now if the US needs pakistan---she will make a temporary adjustment in that position---but that stance would stay temporary till she may want to change it for the next crisis---which who knows is headed to what direction---.

@jaibi ---sir if that is not your article---please post a link to that article---. The disclaimer in the bottom is not enough---.

Pakistanis are coward. Effing drunk. When it suits you you write as a pakistani else you are anti...chameleon

 

[KhanBaba2]

Would it upset India if the US provided Pakistan with a squadron of F35’s?

Pakistan will need a bigger begging bowl before it can afford a squadron on F-35

 

[LeGenD]

By 2035 they want to divide the USA and put a stop to her being the super power....

USA is already in the netcentric military phase and shifting towards AI military phase.

FYI: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ed-stealth-aerial-target-drone-it-badly-needs

Some do not realize it but USA is becoming stronger than ever before. Economic situation is good with NAFTA revisited and a new trade deal with China.

Much will change by 2035. I fear that either Iran or North Korea will be taken out in the interim.