Alexander the Great/ Mauryans/ Graeco-Bactrians

[Indus Pakistan]

Here take a grab on this. And find out how a few invaders from west made majority of Indians into subserviant lower varna orders. Then smoked them into Hinduism. The greatest collective act of servitude in human history.

https://scroll.in/article/874102/ar...o-know-about-the-new-study-on-indian-genetics

And lest you delude yourself chew on this map below. The green diamond is us [yeh your nemesis] and that saffron heart is yee converted aboriginal AASI stock collectively placed into servitude gratis Hinduism from our region. Respect to our Brahmin blood brothers ...

Ta ta. Off to offer a puja now ...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Unlike your state, ours is a secular one.

Ok, then why are you here trying to convince us of anything if you decided we are not worth it.

Go talk to your secular Indians and leave us alone.

We are proud of our faith and it binds us to many people outside our region. When an Albanian or Nigerian and a Pakistani can sit at a table and be brothers, that is more than many other faiths can give.

Regarding lineage, we don't claim like Pakistanis that we are pure Arabian blood, we accept our mixed ancestry, we can't change it.

No Pakistani will ever claim that. You are ill-informed.

Your Hindu priests, politicians, and society regularly claim this though when deriding us as foreign.

 

[Nilgiri]

I know that Huang He [Yellow River] has played a crucial role in Chinese history but beyond that my knowledge is limited. And @M.Sarmad your stupidiy has me defeated. I can't reason with person with no reason.

Ah ok buddy. Its actually quite interesting (history of China). At times they were united politically (under local or foreign dynasty), but other times they did split among the river basin areas like your hypothesis as well.

This is for example why Cantonese (pearl river area) is very different and mutually unintelligble with mandarin. Shanghainese and other yangste dialects are often quite different from yellow river (Beijing etc) chinese language (spoken form).

It is interesting to actually think what the history of what we call China would have looked like if there was no Qin emperor (who's namesake is given to the word "China") that (forcefully early on) standardised the written form everywhere. Likely some more similarity with subcontinent area would have arisen. But it is quite a nuanced complicated subject overall.

 

[Republic]

Ok, then why are you here trying to convince us of anything if you decided we are not worth it.

Go talk to your secular Indians and leave us alone.

1. I am not trying to convince you of any thing. I am trying to put forth my view in a subject of common interest. I just says that we, in India can access many sources of information having quite different views and can make balanced approach while in Pakistan it is difficult for you people.
2. I am here to converse with like minded people of different nationalities. You can very well ignore me if you don't like my views. I will close my account the day I feel that nobody on this forum likes me.

] We are proud of our faith and it binds us to many people outside our region. When an Albanian or Nigerian and a Pakistani can sit at a table and be brothers, that is more than many other faiths can give.

What is the fuss?? I am not disparaging any religion or nationality. I respect them all. I just said that due to secularism we, in India have easier access to many sources of information having different points of view and can infer a more balanced view as well as express it on open forums with out any fear in comparison to Pakistani people. That's all. Now you can differ with it.

=No Pakistani will ever claim that. You are ill-informed.

I found many Pakistanis claiming that on this forum. Should I start tagging you on all those comments ????

Your Hindu priests, politicians, and society regularly claim this though when deriding us as foreign.

Fuuk all those Hindu priests etc etc...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

1. I am not trying to convince you of any thing. I am trying to put forth my view in a subject of common interest. I just says that we, in India can access many sources of information having quite different views and can make balanced approach while in Pakistan it is difficult for you people.

Nothing that you have posted shows that, actually it shows the opposite.

You are commenting about matters of which you have no knowledge.

2. I am here to converse with like minded people of different nationalities. You can very well ignore me if you don't like my views. I will close my account the day I feel that nobody on this forum likes me.

You are not going to find many Pakistanis who are going to support you in your assertion that we are all Arab and foreign.

I found many Pakistanis claiming that on this forum. Should I start tagging you on all those comments ????

I would like to see that. Tag them please.

 

[Republic]

Here take a grab on this. And find out how a few invaders from west made majority of Indians into subserviant lower varna orders. Then smoked them into Hinduism. The greatest collective act of servitude in human history.

https://scroll.in/article/874102/ar...o-know-about-the-new-study-on-indian-genetics

And lest you delude yourself chew on this map below. The green diamond is us [yeh your nemesis] and that saffron heart is yee converted aboriginal AASI stock collectively placed into servitude gratis Hinduism from our region. Respect to our Brahmin blood brothers ...

Ta ta. Off to offer a puja now ...

Why are you getting excited unnecessarily.
Do you even read other's comments properly or start commenting after reading first two lines ???

Have you read that whole paper properly and kept your self updated about most important finding of which that link is talking ???

Yes...
The DNA analysis of Rakhigadhi skeletons is out three months back and the point is settled once for all.
IVC people were not Aryans or Persians.
They were aboriginals in your language.
And for God sake, they were not hunter gatherers, as your link claims because we all know how advanced were IVC people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-invasion-theory/amp_articleshow/64565413.cms

Lastly, Please don't acquire your knowledge of history by studying blogs, Facebook, Twitter, whattsupp etc.
At least read original books or translations or third person information given by renowned scholars.

Nothing that you have posted shows that, actually it shows the opposite.

Show me and I will say sorry.

You are commenting about matters of which you have no knowledge.

Then leave it. Don't waste your time with me.

I would like to see that. Tag them please.

Be ready then....

 

[LeGenD]

It’s common knowledge in Pakistan and not extraordinary in the least. Arains, Sayyids, and other Pakistanis of Arab patrilineal descent do not make up the majority of Pakistanis, but a portion of the population only.

It is the Turks, mostly, who ruled Hindustan for almost a thousand years, not Arabs.

Turko-Mongols to be precise.

A large number of Afghans and Pakistani are Turko-Mongolish. Babur (who founded the Mughal Empire) in the subcontinent was a direct descendant of Turko-Mongol Taimur Khan who also toppled the powerful Tughlaq dynasty in the subcontinent in his lifetime.

Mongolish history is fascinating to be honest; shock and awe. These super-humans never admitted defeat. Although Alau-ud-din Khilji prevented Mongolian conquest of India in his lifetime, he was only delaying the inevitable.

My paternal side also have Mongolian connection.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Ah ok buddy. Its actually quite interesting (history of China). At times they were united politically (under local or foreign dynasty), but other times they did split among the river basin areas like your hypothesis as well.

This is for example why Cantonese (pearl river area) is very different and mutually unintelligble with mandarin. Shanghainese and other yangste dialects are often quite different from yellow river (Beijing etc) chinese language (spoken form).

Many people think rivers divide, the truth is more often then not river basi unite and act as crucible for nations/civilizations. In South Asian context often Indus is used by many [driven with agenda] to divide.

Thames River, River Seine have been traditionally the fulcrum of English/French power. London and Paris both sit on both sides of rivers. Ancient Egypt and Mesopotomamia took around around river basins, ditto IVC and Indus River and of course China as you mentioned. The Ganga Valley has been centre of Indian culture and history for millenia.

Today Indus plays a role bigger then it ever did in the past. 95% Pakistan depends on Indus for water, food and life. The Indus River system along with the canal system [one of the largest in the world] is like the human circulatory system. Pakistan would die within days if it was blocked. If in the past we had Indus Valley Civilization today we have Indus Valley Country.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I don't think you have been exposed to this species. They will reconfigure everything. Artificial straight hair, skin lightening, nose re-engineering. Just look at Micheal Jackson before and after pictures.

One single example 'Michael Jackson'. How many other such blacks do you know?

 

[M. Sarmad]

@M.Sarmad your stupidiy has me defeated. I can't reason with person with no reason.

 

[Pakistani E]

Yes...
The DNA analysis of Rakhigadhi skeletons is out three months back and the point is settled once for all.
IVC people were not Aryans or Persians.
They were aboriginals in your language.
And for God sake, they were not hunte

The people you quoted were never been in Indus civilization at that time. It was the aboriginal underclass you stated present there. DNA analysis of Rakhigadhi skeletons (only available skeletons of IVC era) proved it. This debate is settled every where in the world once for all three months ago.

Isn't it slightly disingenuous of you to assert here that the DNA analysis only showed "aboriginal" DNA? Didn't it also show a minor "Iranian" contribution? It doesn't really settle anything at all. The DNA of most Pakistanis is also made up of atleast ~20%(lowest) "Aboriginal" DNA, layered together with the so called Iranian admixture, and with Central Asian one.

If DNA results from a couple of individuals can be used to conclusively prove anything, then it's that the fusion of indigenous people of Indus Valley Basin, with migrants from South West Asia, gave birth to the Indus Valley Civilization.

Special Lecture: Study of the Indus Script by Asko PARPOLA

@Sher Shah Awan

Thank you, it's an interesting read for sure. I am not a linguist per say, although I do have a great interest in languages. I feel as though I am not qualified enough to critically evaluate the author's 'educated speculation', although they are indeed plausible. Interesting ideas nonetheless.

 

[Republic]

Isn't it slightly disingenuous of you to assert here that the DNA analysis only showed "aboriginal" DNA? Didn't it also show a minor "Iranian" contribution? It doesn't really settle anything at all. The DNA of most Pakistanis is also made up of atleast ~20%(lowest) "Aboriginal" DNA, layered together with the so called Iranian admixture, and with Central Asian one.

The question is, can Irani/Pakistani claim that their forefathers established IVC with that minor(tiny) DNA contribution, where as so called aboriginals can not call even with major contribution ???
Think logically.

If DNA results from a couple of individuals can be used to conclusively prove anything, then it's that the fusion of indigenous people of Indus Valley Basin, with migrants from South West Asia, gave birth to the Indus Valley Civilization.

But, where is the fusion ???
That minor contribution can not be called fusion.
Migration didn't take place in IVC time, it happened much much later.
You know, why Indian Sanghi and Pakistani Mulla historians fight and disagree over everything but are unanimous on this point with out even any single proof ???
Because their survival in modern day depends upon this. If they accept it, they are finished.
PS: linguistics is a very interesting subject. Sometimes It can also open secret doors of history.
For example: in Rigveda, word for elephant is HASTIN MRIG (हस्तिनमृग) means "animal with hand". Now what does it infer ??
It means RigVedic people had never seen elephants, so when they came in India, they started calling it "animal with hand" in amazement. That means Indian Sanghi claim of Aryans being local is false.
Regards.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Isn't it slightly disingenuous of you to assert here that the DNA analysis only showed "aboriginal" DNA? Didn't it also show a minor "Iranian" contribution? It doesn't really settle anything at all. The DNA of most Pakistanis is also made up of atleast ~20%(lowest) "Aboriginal" DNA, layered together with the so called Iranian admixture, and with Central Asian one.

If DNA results from a couple of individuals can be used to conclusively prove anything, then it's that the fusion of indigenous people of Indus Valley Basin, with migrants from South West Asia, gave birth to the Indus Valley Civilization.

That ancient history proves that those migrations from South West Asia and Central Asia were a constant stream through most of our ancient history.

The IVC had strong trade links to ancient Babylon and nomads in and around that region.

Just like China faced countless migrations from Mongolia and Central Asia, we also faced such migrations as well.

Does that deny our links to our ancestors? No, it does not.

Pakistan’s society have been absorbing countless different people since prehistory, and the same can be said for all ancient cultures.

Look at ancient Egyptians compared to today’s Egyptians. They look vastly different, but no one denies their ethnic origin. Same can be said for Greece.

 

[Agnihotra]

The question is, can Irani/Pakistani claim that their forefathers established IVC with that minor(tiny) DNA contribution, where as so called aboriginals can not call even with major contribution ???
Think logically.


But, where is the fusion ???
That minor contribution can not be called fusion.
Migration didn't take place in IVC time, it happened much much later.
You know, why Indian Sanghi and Pakistani Mulla historians fight and disagree over everything but are unanimous on this point with out even any single proof ???
Because their survival in modern day depends upon this. If they accept it, they are finished.
PS: linguistics is a very interesting subject. Sometimes It can also open secret doors of history.
For example: in Rigveda, word for elephant is HASTIN MRIG (हस्तिनमृग) means "animal with hand". Now what does it infer ??
It means RigVedic people had never seen elephants, so when they came in India, they started calling it "animal with hand" in amazement. That means Indian Sanghi claim of Aryans being local is false.
Regards.

Tobe fair Elephants were living in Central Asia and Even snowbowl of Siberian when Aryans were in CentralAsia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ists-reveal-plan-restore-Siberia-Ice-Age.html

That ancient history proves that those migrations from South West Asia and Central Asia were a constant stream through most of our ancient history.

The IVC had strong trade links to ancient Babylon and nomads in and around that region.

Just like China faced countless migrations from Mongolia and Central Asia, we also faced such migrations as well.

Does that deny our links to our ancestors? No, it does not.

Pakistan’s society have been absorbing countless different people since prehistory, and the same can be said for all ancient cultures.

Look at ancient Egyptians compared to today’s Egyptians. They look vastly different, but no one denies their ethnic origin. Same can be said for Greece.

I disagree, Egyptians looks same as their forefathers.

Ancient Egyptwas not Nordic or Subsaharan country, whole of North Africa and Middle East was and still today is a Semitic land.

 

[Republic]

Tobe fair Elephants were living in Central Asia and Even snowbowl of Siberian when Aryans were in CentralAsia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ists-reveal-plan-restore-Siberia-Ice-Age.html

Please don't throw a random link. Most of us have gone through these news. If you had taken care to read that link, you would have known the chronology of that animal. At least you would have observed the time when they got extinct.

Regards,