Alexander the Great/ Mauryans/ Graeco-Bactrians

[Indus Pakistan]

You ask an Arab, Persian, Turk to disassociate from his Pre-Islamic history and you will get only blank stares. Pakistan is the sum of all its parts.

Wow. 10/10

You are claiming an origin from a civilization 1,372 km away from the focus of your civilization.

These maps say it all ...

 

[Yankee-stani]

You ask an Arab, Persian, Turk to disassociate from his Pre-Islamic history and you will get only blank stares. Pakistan is the sum of all its parts.

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or ask any of the Balkan states or CARs that broke away from Yugoslavia and the USSR in the early 1990s the same thing as well

 

[M. Sarmad]

These maps say it all ...

Indus river basin has a total area of 1.12 million sq km distributed between Pakistan, India, China, and Afghanistan.

In Pakistan, the Indus river basin covers around 520,000 sq km.
In India, it covers approximately 440,000 sq km
In China, it covers 88,000 sq km
In Afghanistan, it covers 72,000 sq km

 

[Yaseen1]

I think current Boundaries of punjab never existed in past it was made by british that is why lahore and delhi have almost same weather and environment and landscape

 

[M. Sarmad]

No, no; good Heavens, did I phrase it so badly? There has been progress in figuring out how it was written; let me find and attach the famous paper by Asko Parpola. Where did I read it again after years? On PDF itself?

I will print URL and inform you. You will find it fascinating, but be warned! The language is lucid and clear, but the concepts are demanding.

Special Lecture: Study of the Indus Script by Asko PARPOLA

@Sher Shah Awan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You ask an Arab, Persian, Turk to disassociate from his Pre-Islamic history and you will get only blank stares. Pakistan is the sum of all its parts.

or ask any of the Balkan states or CARs that broke away from Yugoslavia and the USSR in the early 1990s the same thing as well

Instead of worrying about our 24/7 ignited neighbors’ sentiments or Western historians, we should do what is best for Pakistan and our people.

All of this history needs to be taught and expounded, we can use all that to further our tourism industry and bring it back from the brink.

Our economy can use the boast and I am glad PTI is starting to build more tourist hotspots in places like KPK and North Punjab.

There is literally no disadvantage for Pakistan for furthering the understanding of our pre-Islamic history.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I draw a rightful distinction between the historical Indus region and modern-day India. This includes historical and genetic factors which is supported by solid evidence.

What was the extent of the Historical Indus Region, according to you?

If the outermost sites are joined by lines, the area enclosed will be 1,300,000 square km — almost twice the size of present-day Pakistan — and if, as is generally inferred, this cultural uniformity coincided with some sort of political and administrative unity, the size of the resulting “empire” is truly vast.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I think current Boundaries of punjab never existed in past it was made by british that is why lahore and delhi have almost same weather and environment and landscape

Another topic, but Pakistan originally included all of East Punjab as well.

Rajastan, also, was the subject of Ghandi’s own ghar wapsi (which at that time sent alarm bells off in the Muslim League,) and now it is a BJP extremist base due to years of Hindutva propaganda.

That land (East Punjab) was stolen from us. Partition violence made that border permanent. Quaid e Azam wanted it to be part of Pakistan.

 

[Chhatrapati]

It also set the stage for the Buddhist-Hindu (Brahmanism) civil war

Please cite your source for such a claim for this alternative history.

AFAIK, there was no such civil war that eventually led to mass conversion, Buddhist and Hindus generally co-existed throughout the history without much trouble, the decline in Buddhism across the subcontinent are as a result of defeat faced by the Monks when debating with Adi Sankara, while Buddhism being popular in Urban regions Hinduism was popular among the rural and the urban centers like Taxila, Nalanda all were subjected to constant invasion, to top it off the invasion from West and Central Asia that led to conversions to Abrahamic faith and other animistic beliefs eventually led to the decline of Buddhism.

 

[Pakistani E]

No, no; good Heavens, did I phrase it so badly? There has been progress in figuring out how it was written; let me find and attach the famous paper by Asko Parpola. Where did I read it again after years? On PDF itself?

I will print URL and inform you. You will find it fascinating, but be warned! The language is lucid and clear, but the concepts are demanding.

Look forward to it. Cheers.

Special Lecture: Study of the Indus Script by Asko PARPOLA

@Sher Shah Awan

Thank you, will read it when I have more free time and clarity of mind.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Indus river basin has a total area of 1.12 million sq km distributed between Pakistan, India, China, and Afghanistan.

In Pakistan, the Indus river basin covers around 520,000 sq km.
In India, it covers approximately 440,000 sq km
In China, it covers 88,000 sq km
In Afghanistan, it covers 72,000 sq km

Yes? Ever checked the stats for Nile Basin? It's shared between Egypt, Sudan, Ethopia, Uganda etc. Tigris/Euphrates are shared by Turkey, Syria, Iraq.

More to the point -

• Indus cover over 65% of Pakistan and about 95% of the population. Yes, 95% of Pakistan live on the Indus basin and many adjacent to River Indus itself. Only portion of sparsely populated area of Balochistan falls outside of the basin. The most populous provinces ~ K-Pk, Punjab, Sindh fall wholly within the basin covering 95%, yes 95% of Pakistani's. This means for bulk of Pakistan Indus is a reality.
• Only 14% of India falls within Indus Basin, big chunk of which comes in Kashmir. Only about 7% of Indian people live on the Indus Basin. On the contrary over 50% live on the Ganga Basin.
  
• At 11% Afghanistan is only slightly behind India in being on the Indus Basin although I don;t see them hurling themselves on the Indus.
• 1% of China falls within the Indus Basin.
• Over 93% of the River Indus flows through Pakistan

As we can see Indus is Pakistan and Pakistan is Indus. It dominates Pakistan and feeds her people via the Indus irrigation system. Much like Indus gave life to IVC today Indus gives life to Pakistan.

Ps. Can you change your flags to India please.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yes? Ever checked the stats for Nile Basin? It's shared between Egypt, Sudan, Ethopia, Uganda etc. Tigris/Euphrates are shared by Turkey, Syria, Iraq.

More to the point -

• Indus cover over 65% of Pakistan and about 95% of the population. Yes, 95% of Pakistan live on the Indus basin and many adjacent to River Indus itself. Only portion of sparsely populated area of Balochistan falls outside of the basin. The most populous provinces ~ K-Pk, Punjab, Sindh fall wholly within the basin covering 95%, yes 95% of Pakistani's. This means for bulk of Pakistan Indus is a reality.
• Only 14% of India falls within Indus Basin, big chunk of which comes in Kashmir. Only about 7% of Indian people live on the Indus Basin. On the contrary over 50% live on the Ganga Basin.
  
• At 11% Afghanistan is only slightly behind India in being on the Indus Basin although I don;t see them hurling themselves on the Indus.
• 1% of China falls within the Indus Basin.
• Over 93% of the River Indus flows through Pakistan

As we can see Indus is Pakistan and Pakistan is Indus. It dominates Pakistan and feeds her people via the Indus irrigation system. Much like Indus gave life to IVC today Indus gives life to Pakistan.

Let me make it simple for you, Indus:

145 million Pakistanis and 83 million Indians live in the Indus Basin Area.

Your Neo-Indus nationalism is flawed insofar as it completely ignores those 83 million people (and a land area comprising hundreds of thousands sq km)

Go for Indus Muslim Nationalism instead if you want to be taken seriously.

Ps. Can you change your flags to India please.

Dear Englishman, I am more Pakistani than you
Just because I do not agree with you on certain things doesn't mean that I am an Indian.
Kindly stop issuing such Fatwas.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Let me make it simple for you, Indus:

Oh really?

145 million Pakistanis and 83 million Indians live in the Indus Basin Area.

Okay let's test out your facts. Provinces of Pakistan falling within Indus Basin and their populations - refer to simplified map of Indus Basin below with Pak provinces marked.

K-Pk ~ 35 million
Punjab ~ 112 million
Sindh ~ 47 million
AJK/GB ~ 5 million
Total ~ 200 million

Balochistan ~ Only province in Pakistan that partly falls out of the Indus Basin. However the population of Balochistan is only 12 million, part of which falls in Indus Basin. However for sake of argumant even if we exclude entire population of Balochistan as outside of Indus Basin then ~ 12/212 million [total pop. Pak] we end up with 10%. That still means 90% of Pakistani population lives on Indus Basin. And if I was to give part of Baloch population over to Indus - please see map below then I would end up with the figure quoted warlier 95%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Census_of_Pakistan

You are either ignorant of these facts [which I doubt] or you are peddling delusional Indian agenda [which I suspect]. If this discussion is going to go anywhere can you please provide solid facts instead of posting clear rubbish.

And barely 8% of India lives on the indus Basin. I suspect more % of Afghans live in the Kabul Basin which falls within the Indus catchment then Indians do on the indus.

 

[M. Sarmad]

If this discussion is going to go anywhere can you please provide solid facts instead of posting clear rubbish.

2 The Indus basin
2.1 General

The Indus basin is located in 4 countries, of which the largest part in Pakistan, and substantial upstream parts in India, China and Afghanistan (Fig. 1). More than 40 % is located at an elevation higher than 2000ma.s.l. The total hydrographic basin – as defined by the International Water Management Institute (IWMI) – has an area of 1 137819km2. Other authors(Babel and Wahid, 2008; Eastham et al., 2010; Harrington et al., 2009; Hoekstra and Mekonnen, 2011; Jain et al., 2009)indicate an area range from 1080 000 to 1 218 500 km2. Of a total population of about 237million (Fig. 1), Pakistan accounts for 61 % (145 million) and India for 35% (83 million). Another 4% (9 million) live in the Afghani part of the basin, and the Chinese population is very little due to the rough Himalayan landscape character of this part of the basin. Of the irrigated area (228694km2, 21 % of basin area) about60.9% is located in Pakistan, 37.2 % in India, 1.9% in Afghanistan and 0% in China.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...MeeNJ2tri-BCPBbmy2idAIeK_q8SX3y3L-EMdCR5Ockgo

 

[Nilgiri]

Special Lecture: Study of the Indus Script by Asko PARPOLA

@Sher Shah Awan

I remember posting this in this forum a long while back too.

Let me make it simple for you, Indus:

145 million Pakistanis and 83 million Indians live in the Indus Basin Area.

Your Neo-Indus nationalism is flawed insofar as it completely ignores those 83 million people (and a land area comprising hundreds of thousands sq km)

Go for Indus Muslim Nationalism instead if you want to be taken seriously.



Dear Englishman, I am more Pakistani than you
Just because I do not agree with you on certain things doesn't mean that I am an Indian.
Kindly stop issuing such Fatwas.

After all Jinnah clearly objected to being called an "Indian" for majority of his life. He preferred "Indus nationalist" before the better word Pakistan could be formed.