Alarming Evidence Suggests ISIS is Now a US-Israel Proxy Army

[haviZsultan]

That's because many, perhaps most, Pakistanis confuse what things are for what things are called. The moral rot runs very deep.

And the traitorous behavior runs like blood in the veins of America. Siding with India and turning a blind eye to their nuke program and test smiling buddha in 1974 while moaning away about Pakistans nukes which came only as a result in 98. When said country (America) falls we will cheer and there will be cheering all around. The fall of every tyrant is bloody.

Pakistanis are capable of making their own decisions and decide to call Israel out for its human rights abuses and killings. The policy of any land should be to win over locals who are against them. Their policy is one of butchering opposition and even if we believe it responds to Hamas it responds with unequal force and against civilians.

 

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Proxy army is pushing it heavily into conspiracy theorysation, however, them being "let" to run their own show and with it aligning the objectives with western countries is much more probable. And much more easily proven.

Have no fear, ISIS will be done in 6 months time, then the real shit will begin as countries will be scrambling to mask their participation and/or maneuvering to best exploit the vacuum.

 

[Solomon2]

And the traitorous behavior runs like blood in the veins of America -

An attempt at distraction. You can do better than that, haviS.

Pakistanis are capable of making their own decisions and decide to call Israel -

Well, certainly the heads of Pakistan's educational establishment disagree with you. They call upon universities to take pre-emptive, even extra-legal action against any events or curricula that portray Israel in a favorable light: link. Since you aren't allowed to consider both sides of the story - especially exculpatory evidence - what worth is there to Pakistanis' decisions and judgments about Israel?

To these guys at the H.E.C., you're not citizens but subjects - more like puppets on a string, yes?

 

[haviZsultan]

An attempt at distraction. You can do better than that, haviS.

Well, certainly the heads of Pakistan's educational establishment disagree with you. They call upon universities to take pre-emptive, even extra-legal action against any events or curricula that portray Israel in a favorable light: link. Since you aren't allowed to consider both sides of the story - especially exculpatory evidence - what worth is there to Pakistanis' decisions and judgments about Israel?

To these guys at the H.E.C., you're not citizens but subjects - more like puppets on a string, yes?

So you are counting half the world as naive because they have a negative view of Israel. Lol. We have heard both sides. But it is true that the pro Israel view is unpopular and that is the prerogative of the population. Bhandara whom I respect deeply pointed out that Hamas's attacks on Israeli civilians should also be condemned when condemning Israeli atrocities. He was an MP and said what he wanted. I may not agree with him but I respect him.

You are trying to paint all of us as barbarians and continue to perpetuate a myth which you people genuinely believe-that you are in the right. Very typical American who believes no matter how twisted his countries foreign policy is to be in the right. That self righteousness will go down the drain one day along with your entire civilization.

Some people say you deserved 9/11. When Afghanistan was after the defeat of the Soviets, ignored and left in control of the Taliban to promote their poisonous, venomous propaganda for years and ignored despite being a bastion for Islamic terrorists and tell the people they were their saviors. They killed Pakistani citizens by locking them up in containers US turned a blind eye.

Then bang! One day the same terrorists raised by the US to beat the Soviets had flown planes into the twin towers. Thats when US rose up. You have been ignoring Islamic terrorism for so long but you have forgotten that. Now you blame the world, Pakistan, Iran. I can safely say that we have been suffering 9/11's due to your detrimental policies daily.

 

[TMA]

So you are counting half the world as naive because they have a negative view of Israel. Lol. We have heard both sides. But it is true that the pro Israel view is unpopular and that is the prerogative of the population. Bhandara whom I respect deeply pointed out that Hamas's attacks on Israeli civilians should also be condemned when condemning Israeli atrocities. He was an MP and said what he wanted. I may not agree with him but I respect him.

You are trying to paint all of us as barbarians and continue to perpetuate a myth which you people genuinely believe-that you are in the right. Very typical American who believes no matter how twisted his countries foreign policy is to be in the right. That self righteousness will go down the drain one day along with your entire civilization.

Some people say you deserved 9/11. When Afghanistan was after the defeat of the Soviets, ignored and left in control of the Taliban to promote their poisonous, venomous propaganda for years and ignored despite being a bastion for Islamic terrorists and tell the people they were their saviors. They killed Pakistani citizens by locking them up in containers US turned a blind eye.

Then bang! One day the same terrorists raised by the US to beat the Soviets had flown planes into the twin towers. Thats when US rose up. You have been ignoring Islamic terrorism for so long but you have forgotten that. Now you blame the world, Pakistan, Iran. I can safely say that we have been suffering 9/11's due to your detrimental policies daily.

9/11 also had some inside help. To convince American public opinion and "International" opinion for the "war on Terror"

 

[Solomon2]

So you are counting half the world as naive because they have a negative view of Israel.

If I get together a bunch of friends to tell you that a bolt of blue cloth is really green, does that make it true?

Bhandara whom I respect deeply pointed out that Hamas's attacks on Israeli civilians should also be condemned when condemning Israeli atrocities. He was an MP and said what he wanted. I may not agree with him but I respect him.

I know what it means when a Muslim "condemns" the act of a fellow Muslim against non-Muslims or minority Muslims. It means the person is only "condemned" orally and he is not necessarily considered a criminal to be sought out, prosecuted, and convicted for his deeds.

You are trying to paint all of us as barbarians and continue to perpetuate a myth which you people genuinely believe-that you are in the right.

I didn't use the word, "barbarians". You now don't dispute my evidence or arguments with substance but simply call them "myth". Your responses are a symptom of the very phenomenon I claim Pakistanis are suffering from!

Some people say you deserved 9/11 -

And the point of this exercise in self-denial is what, exactly? More distraction from the subject topic?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

My foot! This is why you are number one hypocrite and liar!

@waz ; is this post worthy of being rated?
I feel that this poster vents his spleen for no rhyme or reason whatsoever. The tone and tenor of his posts are consistently........
Now instead of TTAS, I'll be happy if he becomes @WebMaster instead...

 

[waz]

@waz ; is this post worthy of being rated?
I feel that this poster vents his spleen for no rhyme or reason whatsoever. The tone and tenor of his posts are consistently........
Now instead of TTAS, I'll be happy if he becomes @WebMaster instead...

Done mate.


By the way to the folks posting. Could you please keep to the topic. I have gone through posts debating faith, talking about Nazis and all sorts of unrelated trash.

 

[DavidSling]

Done mate.


By the way to the folks posting. Could you please keep to the topic. I have gone through posts debating faith, talking about Nazis and all sorts of unrelated trash.

I've reported several people who refer to Israel as "assrahell" or "zionazi" and no action was taken against them (including falcon), I'd like to know what's being done onn this subject

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Done mate.


By the way to the folks posting. Could you please keep to the topic. I have gone through posts debating faith, talking about Nazis and all sorts of unrelated trash.

I am sorry for having troubled you on this account. But even the greatest degree of attempting to extend some latitude and even attempting to see it with some measure of humour was getting severely strained. Regrettable.

 

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1-They appear to be originated as group of individuals which are standing against the existing regimes,so what exactly is their origin?

2-How they are originated?

The real origin is the mountable surges of ignorance of a bunch of uneducated individuals.
Hence I believe the more appropriate question here shall be, In who's interest has it been to keep these beings uneducated and undeveloped even in this third millennium?
Some hint: You can't keep searching outside for the answer of all the questions without digging inside for the answer of some of them.

3-How they are evolved into a militant group?

4-Definitely,in order to make their attacks ''effective'' they must needs funds and weapons,they need billions and millions,but how they get it?

One might answer, Using the traitor, incompetent and insipient inside elites and leaders to fund and organize the resulted from ignorance, powers of these spattered individuals into a ridable unified, effective devastating force.
But once again, if there weren't any waves of ignorance to surf on, all the traitors and petrodollars of the world wouldn't be able to make a single change.
So once again we'll be asking the very same basic question, Who's or what's to be considered responsible, for the people to be kept undeveloped even in this third millennium?
Some hint: You can't keep searching outside for the answer of all the questions without digging inside for the answer of some of them.

5-Conspiracy theorists name different countries and accuse them for funding them with fuel to create economical instability.Is this a hypothesis or tested theory?

6-What ideology do they follow?

In a game of chess when there is an opportunity to check mate the opponent, why not to use the chance, when there exists a glorious chance to pursue your long term interests why not to grasp the golden chance.
And for the ideology, talking about it is as legitimate as talking about the ideology of a cancer cell. It's better to talk about the ground characteristic and features of the environment that has given birth to these beings.
Some hint: You can't keep searching outside for the answer of all the questions without digging inside for the answer of some of them.

 

[waz]

I've reported several people who refer to Israel as "assrahell" or "zionazi" and no action was taken against them (including falcon), I'd like to know what's being done onn this subject

I'll go through the posts. Such insults are not acceptable.

I am sorry for having troubled you on this account. But even the greatest degree of attempting to extend some latitude and even attempting to see it with some measure of humour was getting severely strained. Regrettable.

No problem mate.

 

[scythian500]

ISIL/ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nosrah, etc are all fruits of one simple truth...

Wahhabi agenda which is tought and teached while brainwashing the minds of young and old Sunnis in places called Madarasa's, ISlamic Centers, Jame's all around Islamic and European world... You can find these Salafi/Wahhabi schools in ample in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Europe, Russia, Arabic countries.

Who are behind these schools? Who initiate them? Who support them? Who fund them?

If you go through official and semi-official (wikileaks), you can see clearly that a bunch of whole governments and official figures plus religious clerics and Arab billionaires are behind these schools...

Saudi Arabia as a government spends billions of dollars to create Wahhabi/Salafi schools and Madarasa's all around the world... It is very obvious in Saudi embassies' correspondence as to how they always recommend Saudi regime to step in and found one more school of such form in the host countries. UAE has also some degree of participation in this kind of agenda, very limited though comparing to Wahhabi main godfather.

The sad thing about these school is that most of these Takfiri/Wahhabi schools are only founded/built to overcome Iranian cultural presence in foreign countries.

Iran has actively worked in supporting Shia schools around the world yet we have to see one single Shia terrorist come out of these schools..

So the problem is very simple..

Saudis are trying to promote their hate version of Islam called Takfiri/Wahhabi/Salafism for their religious agenda while USA, ISRAEL and some others are using the fruits of such schools for their political agenda.

Even today, Americans and Israelis openly recommend creating more of these Takfiri states or insurgent groups with the aim of confronting Shia-majority groups...

If the world really want to wipe this dangerous version of terrorism from the surface of the earth they have only one option. ISIL and Al Qaeda won't be terminated the day after defeat of ISIL... They will rise heads somewhere else soon under different and new names... We have one option... We have to force Saudi and other Wahhabi supporters to stop funding, creating schools who make these nutjobs in first place... Saudi regime must be taken under force to eliminate Wahhabi agenda or at least keep it among themselves inside Saudi Arabia...

In Shia Islam we have lots of religious schools but no graduate Takfir (calling others infidels asking their death) other sects or religions... So, there is no danger arising from such schools... The threat comes from within Wahhabi Madarasa... the creepy thing is that there are lots of such schools in the heart of Europe too!!

 

[haviZsultan]

If I get together a bunch of friends to tell you that a bolt of blue cloth is really green, does that make it true?

I know what it means when a Muslim "condemns" the act of a fellow Muslim against non-Muslims or minority Muslims. It means the person is only "condemned" orally and he is not necessarily considered a criminal to be sought out, prosecuted, and convicted for his deeds.

Once a traitorous nation, always a traitor. Calling us all sorts of names such as terrorist and militant sympathizer when you were not and Pakistan was the nation responsible for arrested Khalid Sheikh Muhammed and Rami Yousuf. You are a bully and when you don't get your way you arm wrangle your way through. Keep crying but we will not be a satellite state of your murderous country. We will not go after the Haqqanis, Hekmatyars and Gul Bahadurs and Bahawal Khans. Our target will remain the Taliban which you Americans formed. Those attacking us are our primary sphere of responsibility. Protecting our citizens is our duty.

I didn't use the word, "barbarians". You now don't dispute my evidence or arguments with substance but simply call them "myth". Your responses are a symptom of the very phenomenon I claim Pakistanis are suffering from!

What evidence? Lol. Typical whining American unable to grasp the damage you have done across the world.

And the point of this exercise in self-denial is what, exactly? More distraction from the subject topic?

This is clearly related.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Oh my my, as if I'm dying for a zionazi rating!

No, miah...... it will be a Mod's rating, no less unless you demand even more than that Mr.Dinosaur.
@waz ........ somebody looking to die here, on the forum?