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Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for Saturday night’s attack on a Naval dockyard in Karachi

At least a dozen highly trained men(marine engineers, navigators and able seamen) in addition to tugs are required to start the marine diesel engine, cast off and set sail to a frigate size vessel moored at a a dock.

Two men (a navy personnel and cadet) could not have done it, even if they had help from terrorist.

The most they could have done is set off some charges near the magazine or the fuel tanks and scuttle the ship.

Hijacking a docked ship is simply not possible.
 
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Listen I did not mention Al-qaeda. I know that is not an Indian bogey. I only pointed out the names of organization about whom i credibly know.
And there is nothing to be offended, this is the prime role of spy agencies. for instance, tell me whom did u blame for Khalistan Movement or other separatists movements. ISI !!!. Why??? So please try to understand what i mean. I agree they use mostly our people for this.

Tell me if Orions were detroyed or SABs were damaged, who is the biggest beneficiary. BLA, TTP??? No, of course it is India, this is what I mean t sAY

I think you meant to quote the previous post of mine.

Yes you are right that spy agencies do try to assist the enemy of their enemies. But to accuse a country of such things, you ought to bring some credible proof. I'm not denying the possibility that India may be covertly providing assistance, but until it is proven...

Now let me make one distinction - it is one thing to say that India may be assisting TTP or BLA, but many Pakistanis here claim that those are both Indian creations. That claim stretches credibility. For one thing, India has ZERO ideological affinity to taliban or similar groups. In fact, long before 9/11, India was aiding the Northern alliance fighters, even having set up a field hospital to treat their wounded fighters. At that time, Pakistan was assisting the taliban, including direct military assistance by its special forces. Now ask yourself, which country's population is more likely to join the ranks of taliban? Also, would such a large organisation as the TTP secretly owe allegiance to India, given what we know of their ideology? I suppose you could make up a theory that they are all secretly India lovers hell bent on destroying Pakistan, and that their cadre and leaders are not islamists, but secret India lovers. I just don't see how anybody could buy that, unless you substantiate it.

To keep it short - yes, I believe that it is possible that India or RAW could be aiding anti Pak militants to an extent - but I will not assert that as truth unless proven. And, whether or not the former is true, the pretense of some Pakistanis that it is all an Indian creation is something I cannot subscribe to.

About the former insurgencies in Kashmir and Punjab - Pakistan ideologically supported and continues to support separatism in Kashmir, and by now it is well established that Pakistan has training camps for such militants, and that many Pakistanis (even non Kashmiris) join groups like LeT. As for Punjab - now this is where there is a similarity to the present situation. Khalistani militants got arms and ammunition from Pakistan, they themselves admit that. However, I will not pretend that the whole Khalistan movement was a Pakistani creation. No, that happened due to some very bad policies by the govt of India. Pakistan only aided them, but did not create them. Many Pakistanis here, as well as you in your post that I responded to, suggest that the whole TTP thing is an Indian creation. It is not - it happened due to the religious radicalization across Pakistan, the dangerous mixing of religion and politics, and also due to Pak's role in Afghanistan since a long time. You cannot even blame the govt entirely - your people are also very responsible. It is better to admit this fact, than to keep pretending that it is all due to India.

About the orions and AEWACs - I have written before on why it need not have been India that instigated it. Again, I'm not denying the possibility - but Pakistanis think that just because those two assets are useful only against India, it was India that destroyed them. That's a mistake. The TTP are waging unconventional warfare, and it is also a war of attrition from them against the Pak state. Anything that degrades Pak's military capacity or hurts economically, benefits them. To replace those damaged assets, Pak would have to spend millions of dollars. That is millions of dollars that cannot be used to fight the TTP. It is that simple - hit the enemy economically. Destroying the most valuable possessions of the enemy is what any bunch of fighters would do, especially unconventional ones. Maybe the most used weapon against TTP are rifles - but can they go about destroying all the rifles in the Pak military? Doesn't it make more sense to destroy something more expensive, the end result being the same - a degradation of the enemy's war machine. That is why fighters don't target just whatever is used against them.
 
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Steal the ship standing in Karachi harbour!!! I hope this not what you meant to say
I just meant say that exactly. What if they fire the while inside the harbor, do you understand the consequeance no matter wheather target goes dud, or goes in military or civilion transport ship. What if they don't run and make a stand their. That's the fear there my friend. Best that it didn't happened but I am just giving a example, Pakistan needs to after every terrorist no matter good or bad. More one gives support to such elements more they come back to hurt eventually. One dead terrorist is good terrorist. Hope every terrorist turns dead. Thank you.

At least a dozen highly trained men(marine engineers, navigators and able seamen) in addition to tugs are required to start the marine diesel engine, cast off and set sail to a frigate size vessel moored at a a dock.

Two men (a navy personnel and cadet) could not have done it, even if they had help from terrorist.

The most they could have done is set off some charges near the magazine or the fuel tanks and scuttle the ship.

Hijacking a docked ship is simply not possible.
Is it possible to fire missiles and other weapons while the frigate is still moored? if the terrorist were trained personnel? How many person are required to do such kind of deadly tactics especially sucidal ones?
 
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Is it possible to fire missiles and other weapons while the frigate is still moored? if the terrorist were trained personnel? How many person are required to do such kind of deadly tactics especially sucidal ones?

No it is not possible, firing a missile or a ships main gun in not a isolated process.
Most of the Ship's auxilllary system have to be started, Ship has to be removed from shorepower and its diesel generators have to be started, radars , gyros, navigation have to be configured..target solution needs to provided to missiles, before they can be fired.

Usually naval ships are pretty manpower extensive require a complement of about 150-200 personnel..when action stations are called(as is required when firing a missile) ..almost all personnel have a job to do. A complement even half that number, who are highly trained in the job will find it difficult.
 
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No it is not possible, firing a missile or a ships main gun in not a isolated process.
Most of the Ship's auxilllary system have to be started, Ship has to be removed from shorepower and its diesel generators have to be started, radars , gyros, navigation have to be configured..target solution needs to provided to missiles, before they can be fired.

Usually naval ships are pretty manpower extensive require a complement of about 150-200 personnel..when action stations are called(as is required when firing a missile) ..almost all personnel have a job to do. A complement even half that number, who are highly trained in the job will find it difficult.
I believe platform is on for all radar and equipment, only it is kept in lockdown or something like that condition. Like standby or sleep mode, not total shutdown so it doesn't require all the equipment and human resources to bring to emergency action. But not sure about this. Just some speculation.
 
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Hijacking a missile frigate and later use it to attack a US aircraft carrier??????? I thought AQ is smarter than that.....

Instead of focusing on the action & planning we need to look at the intent.

Thats when a frightening picture begins to emerge.

They are attempting to stay relevant and in the news - more so after ISIS, countries in the region need to build such possibilities into their surveillance & monitoring network.
 
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Very nice.They threaten India and now they began to attack Pakistan.
AQ is a serious shit.
 
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I believe platform is on for all radar and equipment, only it is kept in lockdown or something like that condition. Like standby or sleep mode, not total shutdown so it doesn't require all the equipment and human resources to bring to emergency action. But not sure about this. Just some speculation.

Though I am not familiar with Pakistani naval practices..but if a vessels plans to stay in port, more than few days Radars and other navigation sys are shut down (not just put on standby mode) to save magnetron life ..but starting and configuring a radar and other navigation equipment is still a small job..there are so many auxillary machinery( all requiring highly trained engineers) which needs to be started...before you have enough power to even fire the main gun.

Diesel generators, air compressors, hydraulic power packs, auxillary boilers, heaters etc requiring dozens of man hours from a highly trained crew.
 
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Al-Qaeda in Hind's first attack, and epic fail! Must say, all the navy personnel of this base, who got alerted by their activity must be applauded and are our heroes. This attack could have been much devastating, but the alertness and quick response of our naval officers and personnel saved the day. The media blackout also helped. I have tingling, that BLA might be involved in the attack considering a lot of arrests were made from Balochistan.

Secondly, the Pakistan defender who lost his life might have been "cursed to hell", but what's going to happen to the 17 captured terrorists for the rest of their lives would make you forget hell itself. It would be hell on earth! I have heard from many sources how these brave "mujahideen"/warriors beg the interrogators to end their miserable lives lol.
 
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Even so, it takes more than a few men to operate a ship, not to mention stealing it away without anybody noticing. If a film is made around that concept, it would be ridiculed for being unrealistic. BTW there is a French film about a terrorist stealing a Mirage-2000 and trying to cause mass destruction with it. It had some thrilling action sequences.

But a frikking warship? Not even the movie industry would come up with something like that.

Maybe an easier option would be for serving personnel to cause a mutiny while at sea - kill everybody and take over the ship in the middle of the ocean, and fire missiles. But walking into a naval base and stealing a ship? LOL.

only in a Tom Clancy book could it happen 8-)
 
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Wut?? Good job pa if true.Took control of a frigate and we're proceeding to attack a US ship? That sounds like BS.

Rightly said! But they need a story after words to make it big and link it to USA for some chutia reason which is absolute impossible but makes other feel a dangerous move and queer security of our assets!
 
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Was it true that one of the officers in the Naval dock helped al Qaeda to get inside the dock?
 
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AL QAEADA is lying.

why were they quiet until Pakistan itself announced after 3 days of the attack?

total drama al qaeda.

TTP too claimed responsibility.
 
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Nair,

Didn't expect this low level posting by you.

You cannot simply jump into a naval combat vessel, start the engines and be on your merry way. This is not a Maruti 800. You need ENTIRE crew to man the bridge, give commands, run the propulsion and above all, there are protocols in place to prevent the launch of weapons when not needed. (Read USS Cole Incident)

Last, how do you intend to navigate a big ship? One thing assured, these terrorists are desperate, they thought hijacking a ship is as easy as highjacking AA11 AA77 Or United 93 and 175. They seem pretty stupid. Plus, Any un-intended activity of the ship would have been caught (naval dock yard is extremely crowded due to merchant vessels arriving/departing at Karachi port) and PN would have sunk the ship before it left Pakistani waters.


Now, how many threads do we need on the same topic? Or are the Indians not able to find anything better to console themselves?
Following training at an al-Qaeda camp, the men were tasked with hijacking the missiles through which they were to attack an American carrier, says the note.
They are not intended to sail out of the port but to take control of missiles(attack US acc if it is inside missile range).. Many Naval officers helped means it is possible to take control of the ship( not sail out)..
 
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Following training at an al-Qaeda camp, the men were tasked with hijacking the missiles through which they were to attack an American carrier, says the note.
They are not intended to sail out of the port but to take control of missiles(attack US acc if it is inside missile range).. Many Naval officers helped means it is possible to take control of the ship( not sail out)..

ok so a ship in harbour has weapons ready and loaded?

which world do you live in?

please let's not get to excited and turn this into a tom clancy HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER type thing.
 
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