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This begs a question - What did you hijack?
Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for Saturday night’s attack on a Naval dockyard in Karachi
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well i hijacked a Ludo Game?This begs a question - What did you hijack?
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Nair,
Didn't expect this low level posting by you.
You cannot simply jump into a naval combat vessel, start the engines and be on your merry way. This is not a Maruti 800. You need ENTIRE crew to man the bridge, give commands, run the propulsion and above all, there are protocols in place to prevent the launch of weapons when not needed. (Read USS Cole Incident)
Last, how do you intend to navigate a big ship? One thing assured, these terrorists are desperate, they thought hijacking a ship is as easy as highjacking AA11 AA77 Or United 93 and 175. They seem pretty stupid. Plus, Any un-intended activity of the ship would have been caught (naval dock yard is extremely crowded due to merchant vessels arriving/departing at Karachi port) and PN would have sunk the ship before it left Pakistani waters.
Now, how many threads do we need on the same topic? Or are the Indians not able to find anything better to console themselves?
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so,the Karachi attack was an "Insider Attack"??I though few elements of the Navy got compromised when I heard that some naval personnel got arrested.but didn't know the attackers were naval personnel as well.thats a grim picture...
what the f**k????they seized a Frigate momentarily??
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bro,why Pakistan lefts their hardware unguarded??in any country,sizing a frontline naval warship is not that easy.i mean,few attackers(think what a large attack could do) managed to seize a ship.even if they couldn't know how to sail it,they could destroy it or atleast damaged it through some explosion,right??I mean,why left these multi million hardware unprotected??
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Aww, who needs friend with enemy like this. So sweet of them to commit crime and be honest about it. Maybe all criminals can learn a thing or two from this Qaeda group. I mean, all big criminals who are involved in mafia business, prostitution, corruption must have got it all wrong when they thought hiding their crime is a good idea, lol
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Well, it might be easy (although not easy) to hijack a fully manned warship, it is almost impossible for hijackers to get the ship moving. You need to take control of bridge team, ops rooms team, machinery control centre team and a few other places to get a warship sailing. All these places are located on different decks and around a maze of geography. Its no child's play. Their (AQ) ambitions seem to be high but amusingly misplaced.
My friend, Nothing in the ship has been damaged. Its all rubbish. Only 01 x petty officer killed. Thats it!!!!!!!
so,the Karachi attack was an "Insider Attack"??I though few elements of the Navy got compromised when I heard that some naval personnel got arrested.but didn't know the attackers were naval personnel as well.thats a grim picture...
what the f**k????they seized a Frigate momentarily??
@Donatello
bro,why Pakistan lefts their hardware unguarded??in any country,sizing a frontline naval warship is not that easy.i mean,few attackers(think what a large attack could do) managed to seize a ship.even if they couldn't know how to sail it,they could destroy it or atleast damaged it through some explosion,right??I mean,why left these multi million hardware unprotected??
My friend, Nothing in the ship has been damaged. Its all rubbish. Only 01 x petty officer killed. Thats it!!!!!!!
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so,the Karachi attack was an "Insider Attack"??I though few elements of the Navy got compromised when I heard that some naval personnel got arrested.but didn't know the attackers were naval personnel as well.thats a grim picture...
what the f**k????they seized a Frigate momentarily??
@Donatello
bro,why Pakistan lefts their hardware unguarded??in any country,sizing a frontline naval warship is not that easy.i mean,few attackers(think what a large attack could do) managed to seize a ship.even if they couldn't know how to sail it,they could destroy it or atleast damaged it through some explosion,right??I mean,why left these multi million hardware unprotected??
Nothing was left unguarded, and they DID NOT get control of any vessel. It was a lame attempt. PN Dockyard is in a very crowded area, surrounded by merchant/civilian entities. It is easy to sneak through, but not easy to hijack a ship. If Indians like you would stop blowing things out of proportion, maybe you would be able to see reality.
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May be this was there plan
....multi million $ platform for the loss of few low life retards would have been achievement for them....Concerns:
They able to brainwash the personnel from arm forces not just for info transfer but for on ground attack. Need to take threat seriously coz i see the blueprints of some different style terror attack in future.
Stop chest thumping guyz be mature and try to analyze the threat potential.
Actually there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Apparently the gameplan was indeed this dramatic, and all the attackers (barring one) were serving naval personnel. This is extremely disturbing.
Dockyard attackers planned to hijack Navy frigate - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.
According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.
“It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”
Naval commandos of PNS Iqbal rushed to the scene and a gunbattle ensued. One naval officer was killed and seven others were injured. Two or three of the attackers were shot dead, one of them being Jakharani, who the police claimed had drowned. Four attackers who had taken refuge in one of the ship’s compartments were locked in and later captured.
Navy went to great lengths to keep attack under wraps
According to another source, no fewer than 17 more individuals — all Navy personnel, including the three arrested from Mastung in Balochistan while reportedly trying to make their way to Afghanistan — have been rounded up based on information extracted from those apprehended. It is believed the suspects are currently being interrogated at one of the military’s interrogation centres.
Also, while Commander Kamran Asif told Associated Press that the militants were armed with rocket launchers, assault rifles and hand-grenades, Dawn has been given information that the weapons had already been smuggled into the dockyard and had been stored in lockers by the rogue personnel.
There has been considerable speculation on whether the attackers arrived at the dockyard by sea or took the West Wharf road that leads to the site. According to a fisheries worker, when fishermen make their way back into the harbour from the open sea, four to five Navy patrol boats carrying heavily armed personnel check their vessels when they pass the dockyard. But as it turns out, neither the sea nor the land route was needed for entry for all but one of the attackers.
The Navy, it seems, was keen to keep the entire incident under wraps from the outset. According to the SHO Dockyards, Sajjad Mangi, he rushed with his team to the naval dockyard at around 9am that day when he received information of firing on the premises of the highly sensitive location.
“We found the area cordoned off by security personnel,” said the SHO, adding that he heard the firing continue for 10 to15 minutes. “They told us it was part of Defence Day celebrations and there was nothing to be alarmed about.”
When Mr Mangi requested to speak to a senior officer, he was put in touch with Commander Mohabbat Khan on the phone who also told him that the firing was nothing out of the ordinary, and there was no need of any assistance from police. Meanwhile, his senior SP Altaf Leghari, whom he had informed, also arrived on the scene. Following the assurance from the commander, they returned with the police force.
After news of the attack broke, city police chief Ghulam Qadir Thebo said the body of Owais Jakharani, a former sailor who quit the Navy a few months ago — some say he was expelled — had been recovered from the sea and that initial investigations suggested that the young man was one of the attackers and, in the absence of bullet wounds, appeared to have drowned. Given that no FIR of this incident has been registered, how could any investigation have even begun?
Incidentally, registering a first information report is mandatory when any crime occurs, even on the premises of a military facility. The fact that it was not registered in this case indicates the lengths to which the Navy — a 31,000-man branch of the military – has gone to keep the investigation in its sole control without sharing on the record information with civilian agencies as it is bound by law to do so.
According to actual events pieced through information provided only on condition of anonymity by several highly placed and credible sources, a very interesting story has emerged.
As per sources in police, on Sept 8, “an unnamed body was handed to us and it was in several pieces”. They said they delivered the dismembered corpse to the Edhi morgue at 5.30pm as an unclaimed body the same day.
This was confirmed by the spokesman for Edhi Foundation, Anwar Kazmi, who said the body parts were collected by Mr Jakharani’s family the next day at 11.30am.
Security experts say the deliberate media blackout on the incident for two days was understandable.
“It was also possible because the attack occurred deep inside an area that is not easily accessible unlike, for instance, the attack on the Mehran naval aviation station [in May 2011],” said Ahmed Chinoy, chief of the Citizens-Police Liaison Committee, “The Navy may have got some solid leads from the four militants they captured and wanted to follow up on them.”
The uncharacteristically late claim of responsibility for the attack that emerged from TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid on the day following the Navy’s statement adds another interesting dimension to the incident.
He declared that the militants were successful in penetrating the security cordon because of inside help and that TTP would continue targeting security forces.
The reason for the delayed claim may well be that those in direct contact with the TTP were either killed or captured at the dockyards immediately following the incident.
“I think the collaborators outside didn’t know themselves how things had turned out, whether the attackers had all been massacred or not,” said Mr Chinoy. “It would also have been very difficult for them to access any information, given the tight security in the area following the incident.”
One of many naval facilities in the area, the Navy dockyard occupies less than 80 acres, and is located at the end of West Wharf Road.
It is about four kilometres from the mouth of Karachi harbour.
The whole operation was so swift that some residents of Baba and Bhit islands barely half a kilometre from the site said that they neither saw nor heard anything out of the ordinary that day.
This is the latest attack on a branch of the military that has been a repeated target of militant assaults, including two attacks on Navy buses in April 2011, the Mehran naval base attack the month after, and a number of targeted killings of naval officers in Karachi.
The Mehran assault lasted 18 hours, killed 10 people and destroyed/damaged several multi-million dollar surveillance aircraft.
As always, though it was conceded that the attackers had inside help, credible findings of the inquiry report are yet to be made public.
The same opacity and determination to keep itself above the law has been demonstrated across various branches of the military time and again — whether it is the matter of forcibly disappeared people, or the catastrophic failure of intelligence in the Bin Laden affair.
What is needed is lot more openness, accountability and better screening techniques in the military, as well as an acknowledgement that the people of Pakistan are partners in the fight against terrorism, rather than adversaries to be kept at bay.
Dockyard attackers planned to hijack Navy frigate - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
KARACHI: While the Navy continues to remain tight-lipped about the attack on its dockyard in West Wharf on Sept 6, having issued a bare-bones statement 48 hours after the incident, further details have been obtained by Dawn that reveal the extent of radicalisation within the Navy.
According to informed sources, the attack was carried out entirely by serving Navy personnel, along with Owais Jakharani, a former Navy cadet who could have been given access inside without too much trouble.
“It seems the intention was to hijack PNS Zulfiqar [a frigate purchased from China and inducted in July 2009],” said one of these sources. “The group of would-be hijackers, led by a senior officer, was even saluted by the guard at the bottom of the gangway, before another became suspicious of their intentions and alerted other personnel.”
Naval commandos of PNS Iqbal rushed to the scene and a gunbattle ensued. One naval officer was killed and seven others were injured. Two or three of the attackers were shot dead, one of them being Jakharani, who the police claimed had drowned. Four attackers who had taken refuge in one of the ship’s compartments were locked in and later captured.
Navy went to great lengths to keep attack under wraps
According to another source, no fewer than 17 more individuals — all Navy personnel, including the three arrested from Mastung in Balochistan while reportedly trying to make their way to Afghanistan — have been rounded up based on information extracted from those apprehended. It is believed the suspects are currently being interrogated at one of the military’s interrogation centres.
Also, while Commander Kamran Asif told Associated Press that the militants were armed with rocket launchers, assault rifles and hand-grenades, Dawn has been given information that the weapons had already been smuggled into the dockyard and had been stored in lockers by the rogue personnel.
There has been considerable speculation on whether the attackers arrived at the dockyard by sea or took the West Wharf road that leads to the site. According to a fisheries worker, when fishermen make their way back into the harbour from the open sea, four to five Navy patrol boats carrying heavily armed personnel check their vessels when they pass the dockyard. But as it turns out, neither the sea nor the land route was needed for entry for all but one of the attackers.
The Navy, it seems, was keen to keep the entire incident under wraps from the outset. According to the SHO Dockyards, Sajjad Mangi, he rushed with his team to the naval dockyard at around 9am that day when he received information of firing on the premises of the highly sensitive location.
“We found the area cordoned off by security personnel,” said the SHO, adding that he heard the firing continue for 10 to15 minutes. “They told us it was part of Defence Day celebrations and there was nothing to be alarmed about.”
When Mr Mangi requested to speak to a senior officer, he was put in touch with Commander Mohabbat Khan on the phone who also told him that the firing was nothing out of the ordinary, and there was no need of any assistance from police. Meanwhile, his senior SP Altaf Leghari, whom he had informed, also arrived on the scene. Following the assurance from the commander, they returned with the police force.
After news of the attack broke, city police chief Ghulam Qadir Thebo said the body of Owais Jakharani, a former sailor who quit the Navy a few months ago — some say he was expelled — had been recovered from the sea and that initial investigations suggested that the young man was one of the attackers and, in the absence of bullet wounds, appeared to have drowned. Given that no FIR of this incident has been registered, how could any investigation have even begun?
Incidentally, registering a first information report is mandatory when any crime occurs, even on the premises of a military facility. The fact that it was not registered in this case indicates the lengths to which the Navy — a 31,000-man branch of the military – has gone to keep the investigation in its sole control without sharing on the record information with civilian agencies as it is bound by law to do so.
According to actual events pieced through information provided only on condition of anonymity by several highly placed and credible sources, a very interesting story has emerged.
As per sources in police, on Sept 8, “an unnamed body was handed to us and it was in several pieces”. They said they delivered the dismembered corpse to the Edhi morgue at 5.30pm as an unclaimed body the same day.
This was confirmed by the spokesman for Edhi Foundation, Anwar Kazmi, who said the body parts were collected by Mr Jakharani’s family the next day at 11.30am.
Security experts say the deliberate media blackout on the incident for two days was understandable.
“It was also possible because the attack occurred deep inside an area that is not easily accessible unlike, for instance, the attack on the Mehran naval aviation station [in May 2011],” said Ahmed Chinoy, chief of the Citizens-Police Liaison Committee, “The Navy may have got some solid leads from the four militants they captured and wanted to follow up on them.”
The uncharacteristically late claim of responsibility for the attack that emerged from TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid on the day following the Navy’s statement adds another interesting dimension to the incident.
He declared that the militants were successful in penetrating the security cordon because of inside help and that TTP would continue targeting security forces.
The reason for the delayed claim may well be that those in direct contact with the TTP were either killed or captured at the dockyards immediately following the incident.
“I think the collaborators outside didn’t know themselves how things had turned out, whether the attackers had all been massacred or not,” said Mr Chinoy. “It would also have been very difficult for them to access any information, given the tight security in the area following the incident.”
One of many naval facilities in the area, the Navy dockyard occupies less than 80 acres, and is located at the end of West Wharf Road.
It is about four kilometres from the mouth of Karachi harbour.
The whole operation was so swift that some residents of Baba and Bhit islands barely half a kilometre from the site said that they neither saw nor heard anything out of the ordinary that day.
This is the latest attack on a branch of the military that has been a repeated target of militant assaults, including two attacks on Navy buses in April 2011, the Mehran naval base attack the month after, and a number of targeted killings of naval officers in Karachi.
The Mehran assault lasted 18 hours, killed 10 people and destroyed/damaged several multi-million dollar surveillance aircraft.
As always, though it was conceded that the attackers had inside help, credible findings of the inquiry report are yet to be made public.
The same opacity and determination to keep itself above the law has been demonstrated across various branches of the military time and again — whether it is the matter of forcibly disappeared people, or the catastrophic failure of intelligence in the Bin Laden affair.
What is needed is lot more openness, accountability and better screening techniques in the military, as well as an acknowledgement that the people of Pakistan are partners in the fight against terrorism, rather than adversaries to be kept at bay.
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Sam Manekshaw Said:
They are able to brainwash the personnel from arm forces not just for info transfer but for on ground attack. Need to take threat seriously coz i see the blueprints of some different style terror attack in future.
Stop chest thumping guyz be mature and try to analyze the threat potential.[/quote]
I agree this could be a blue print of some different style attack in future. But dont worry, we r working on this aspect. A lot of our enemy agencies networks (under name of TTP, BLA , JSQM, etc) have been nabbed.
Inshallah we will resurrect and emerge victorious and the enemy which has inflicted massive killings on Pakistani soil willl have to pay back in full on their soil.
They are able to brainwash the personnel from arm forces not just for info transfer but for on ground attack. Need to take threat seriously coz i see the blueprints of some different style terror attack in future.
Stop chest thumping guyz be mature and try to analyze the threat potential.[/quote]
I agree this could be a blue print of some different style attack in future. But dont worry, we r working on this aspect. A lot of our enemy agencies networks (under name of TTP, BLA , JSQM, etc) have been nabbed.
Inshallah we will resurrect and emerge victorious and the enemy which has inflicted massive killings on Pakistani soil willl have to pay back in full on their soil.
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