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Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

You have a good point. And the answer of your question is that as long as we used US GPS system, we are not gonna be fully independent in terms of UAV. For that reason our country has started a program. However, some guys! tried to destroy or suspend this program. I do not know if you heard the military espionage case, but here is what is found during the investigation from the gang leader`s laptop. The file named "Pandora", which had a very high security program to not to be cracked. Police was able to pull out the information from Pandora file. Here is what they found.

The gang organization seized the secret projects named 'Pandora'. They called attention for some of the projects and highlighted the following statements: "... one of these projects is the Regional Positioning and Timing Satellite project. This project is a Geographical Positioning System (GPS) project which is expected to be sent into space in 2015-2016. With this project, it will be able to determine the locations and places for military and civil field uses. This project is very important, because it will reduce dependency of Turkiye"

P.s: For those who do not believe this is true, then they must read this Ministry of Defense probe finds espionage documents authentic - Today's Zaman, your gateway to Turkish daily news


Very interesting. So who were the "gang"? Which foreign intelligence, or local group, were they comprised of? The Today's Zaman simply refers to it as a "gang", which is ridiculous - it's far more than just a 'gang'.
 
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Thank you everyone for the great responses. Aside from the GPS dependency though, what about air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles? For example, what other options do Turkish and Pakistani armed drones (UCAV's) have aside from Hellfire?

Lol this is a question İ know the answer of and that doesn't happen that much at all.
As far as İ know the Turkish ucav's will be equipped with cirit, umtas and a speacial lighter version of umtas.
 
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Turkey has developed it's own alterntive for hellfire named UMTAS. In the latest exibition a modified version dedicated to be used on UAV were shown. Also AFAIK Cirit missile can be used as a cheaper/lighter alternative.

I don't have 30 posts so cannot attach pics directly but here are some pics:

Modified version of UMTAS
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Cirit
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edit: looks like olcayto beat me to it :)
 
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Thank you everyone for the great responses. Aside from the GPS dependency though, what about air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles? For example, what other options do Turkish and Pakistani armed drones (UCAV's) have aside from Hellfire?

Well, I know that Turkey's Roketsan has been working on an AGM that's similar to the AGM-114 Hellfire missile, and Pakistan, according to rumors, has bought Chinese made AGMs known as "Blue Arrow 7" missile, which is also similar to the AGM-114 Hellfire missile, and Pakistan's NESCOM has also been developing it's own version of the Hellfire and a laser designator.

Anyways, Chinese missiles are a good alternative to the Hellfire, so they have that option, but indigenous production will take sometime, 2-3 more years for Turkey, and 3-5 more years for Pakistan.
 
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Very interesting. So who were the "gang"? Which foreign intelligence, or local group, were they comprised of? The Today's Zaman simply refers to it as a "gang", which is ridiculous - it's far more than just a 'gang'.

I really do not want to delve into topic because this is a sticky thread regarding UAVs. I just wanted to show you that GPS program exists although the program is not revealed officially.

All I can say is that those guys are local but work with foreign intelligence services such as Greece, Israel, Russia, Germany etc. to sell secret information of Turkiye.
 
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Thank you everyone for the great responses. Aside from the GPS dependency though, what about air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles? For example, what other options do Turkish and Pakistani armed drones (UCAV's) have aside from Hellfire?

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Turkish UAV market may boom after development

When Turkey’s military planners grasped more than a decade ago the virtues of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) mostly in their asymmetric warfare against Kurdish separatists, the country was solely dependent on imported drones. Later, the dependency on drones grew exponentially and the Turks decided to build their own. They are still thriving.

Industry experts and analysts agree that the UAV market in Turkey would flourish in the near future, but before that the local industry must make a successful debut.

Turkish procurement authorities said in March that they are preparing to sign a contract for the acquisition of 10 locally made drone systems, dubbed the ANKA. “All eyes are on the ANKA contract,” said one source. “Once the ANKAs have started to successfully operate, the Turks will order scores of more, including armed drones.”

But a procurement official said the contract may be delayed for a short period more because of a snag concerning the targeting pod. “If the locally developed pod does not fit our specifications, we may opt for a foreign pod,” he said.

Turkey’s biggest defense company, Aselsan, has been designing and developing the ASELFLIR 235 for the ANKA.

The contract will mark Turkey’s first official purchase of drones designed, developed and manufactured indigenously. Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), based here and the maker of the ANKA, has said the Turkish drone successfully passed acceptance tests late in January.

The final, decisive tests on Jan. 20-21 involved a full-endurance, 18-hour flight, successful auto landing, data link performance at a distance of 200 kilometers under winds of up to 45 knots, as well as night takeoffs and landings.

The ANKA has so far completed more than 150 flight hours. There is a possibility that TAI could develop a satellite-controlled version of the ANKA, company officials said.

Police to order ANKA

Meanwhile, procurement officials said the Turkish police force is also preparing to place an order for the ANKA which means more funding for “fine-tuning efforts” as part of the program.

The ANKA is a medium-altitude long-endurance MALE-category drone. Such UAVs usually operate for 24 hours at an altitude of 10,000 feet.

ANKA, meaning Phoenix in English, is the first MALE-type UAV to be produced by TAI. Presently, several prototypes have been produced with other engines. One of the prototypes crashed during a test flight in September 2012 but several other flight tests have been carried out successfully. ANKA+, another version of the ANKA, calls for an armed vehicle, using a rocket attached to its body and sensors.

These efforts do not mean foreign suppliers are entirely outside the picture. “There is a lot Turkey needs to buy from specialist companies abroad,” said one London-based Turkey analyst.

Turkish officials often look pleased to portray the ANKA as a “fully Turkish, national, purely indigenous aircraft,” but the drone boasts imported engine, automatic take-off and landing system, landing gear and radio. The targeting pod could just be added to the list.

The procurement official said success with the ANKA project would lead to an exponential growth in Turkey’s UAV market. “We have been patiently waiting for this aircraft to come out neat and clean,” he said. “We have invested a lot of time and resources that we cannot start from scratch. Once it enters the inventory, new orders would boom.”

“I think the Turks are waiting for the ANKA before placing more generous orders of UAVs of all sorts, whether built entirely in Turkey or with various combinations of imported parts,” The London-based analyst said.

Two privately owned defense companies have also been actively working on their own drones to catch up with future demand in the market.

Baykar has developed a mini UAV, the Gözcü; and a tactical UAV, the Çaldıran. The nine-meter wingspan, carbon-kevlar composite body Çaldıran can fly broadcast from a range of 200 kilometers and reach an altitude of 22,000 feet. Fitted with thermal cameras, its normal cruising speed is 70 knots and maximum takeoff weight is 450 kilograms, including fuel.

Vestel Defense’s Karayel is an unmanned air vehicle system designed for aerial observation. The Karayel was developed in 2007 and began test flights in 2009. Remote sensing systems on board are able to detect a target and mark for laser-guided munitions. All phases of the flight, take-off, landing and flight profile are performed autonomously. Its payload bay is configurable for military and civilian applications. Vestel has also developed a mini UAV.
 
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China’s buying of German firm risk for Turkish UAV

Chinese Avic’s acquisition of German Thielert, leaves the first Turkishmade drone, the Anka, without an engine. Turkish officials are worried that buying of Thielert, engines supplier of Anka, may delay the project

It looked entirely like any other business takeover between the Chinese and Germans with no relevance to Turkey. But the news that a Chinese group had acquired the troubled German maker of aircraft engines means Turkey must now find a new engine supplier for its first indigenous unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), the Anka.

Turkish officials and the Anka team are now worried that Chinese group Avic International’s acquisition of Thielert, a bankrupt German maker of diesel engines for aircraft may further delay the Anka which would otherwise have been powered by Thielert’s Centurion engine.

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) which develops the Anka had ordered the Centurion for a batch of 10 aircraft. Now TAI must look elsewhere to find a new engine to power the Anka.

The ANKA is a medium-altitude long-endurance MALE-category drone. Such UAVs usually operate for 24 hours at an altitude of 10,000 feet.

ANKA, meaning Phoenix in English, is the first MALE-type UAV to be produced by TAI. One of the prototypes crashed during a test flight in September but several other flight tests have been carried out successfully.

ANKA+, another version of the ANKA, calls for an armed vehicle, using a rocket attached to its body and sensors.

An engine maybe developed to replace

“An immediate replacement could be a difficult task,” a TAI official said. “We may, though, ask TEI (TAI’s sister company that manufactures engine parts) to develop an engine for the Anka.” Both TAI and TEI (Turkish Engine Industries) are owned by a military support fund.

The engine problem occurred at a time when defense procurement authorities are preparing to sign a contract for the acquisition of 10 ANKAs. Separately, the Turkish police force is also preparing to place an order for the Anka.

Before the engine snag, another problem had delayed the Anka program. A locally-developed electro optical sensor, by military electronics firm Aselsan, did not fit Anka’s specifications and TAI was mulling to opt for a foreign pod.

Avic said in August that it was merging Thielert into its Continental Motors division and was giving up military business. Deliveries had stopped, the state-run Chinese company announced.

Thielert was supplying engines for aircraft including a U.S. Army version of the General Atomics Predator. General Atomics has acquired the engine data package and intends to continue production and support.

Satellite-controled version of ANKA

The ANKA had successfully passed acceptance tests late in January. The final, decisive tests on Jan. 20-21 involved a full endurance, 18-hour flight, successful auto landing, data link performance at a distance of 200 km (approx. 120 miles) under winds up to 45 knots, and night take-offs and landings. The ANKA has so far did more than 150 flight hours. There is a possibility that TAI could develop a satellite-controlled version of the ANKA, company officials say.

A defense industry expert said that finding a new engine supplier may not resolve the entire problem. “Any new engine will have to be fitted into the Anka which was designed for the Thielert engine. This will require new (engine) integration work. New tests should also be done,” he said.
September/17/2013
 
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DSEI 2013: Roketsan UAV munition nears completion

Roketsan's Smart Micro Munition (SMM) (MAM - Mini Akilli Mühimmat) is currently undergoing qualification and is expected to complete development shortly, IHS Jane's has learned.


Speaking to IHS Jane's at DSEI 2013 in London, senior engineer Cem Tasdeler said the company is working on the munition's aerodynamics and that they are also considering another smart gliding munition based on the Çirit missile.
SMM is part of Roketsan's new range of air- and ground-launched missile systems that Tasdeler said looks to provide a scalable and smart capability; it is principally targeted at unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) applications but also has the utility for close-support and light-attack aircraft, such as the Embrarer Super Tucano.
The gliding munition leverages technology developed for Roketsan's UMTAS anti-tank missile. Essentially, it is the same unit with the motor section removed. The control surfaces for the SMM are also a different design from those on the UMTAS in order to support its unpowered delivery method; the weapon will have a range of 8 km when launched from its ceiling of 15,000 ft, Tasdeler said.
SMM uses the same seeker system as that used for the laser-guided variant of the UMTAS missile (L-UMTAS) and the Çirit, for which the technology was originally developed. "We thought, 'why not take the laser seeker from the Çirit to the larger missile while we're waiting to complete the IR seeker [for the UMTAS]?'", Tasdeler explained. The standard UMTAS will have an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker, which is scheduled to complete development at the end of this year and be ready for production in the first quarter of 2014. The laser-guided variant will act as a lower-cost option for the UMTAS missile.
Tasdeler said a version of SMM with the IIR seeker will not be developed as the weapon is intended to be a lower-cost offering. The munition can feature a fragmentation warhead with a blast radius of 25 m and which is optimised for use against soft targets and in an anti-personnel role. A tandem warhead for engaging heavily armoured targets is also available.
IHS Jane's has also learned that UAV manufacturers have shown an interest in equipping their platforms with Roketsan missile systems. Tasdeler said the company had been approached by Sagem and Selex regarding the Patroller and Falco UAVs, respectively, with the Cirit missile a possible solution for their requirements; Çirit has already been test-fired from UAVs. cirit is designed to be a multipurpose munition for use against personnel and lightly armoured targets - it has the ability to penetrate 20 mm armour. Cirit has already been supplied to the armed forces of Turkey and the United Arab Emirates and used operationally.
The UMTAS missile is also being considering for larger UAVS, Tasdeler said.
 
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Anka UAV unaffected by Thielert takeover

Publication:
Jane's Defence Weekly

Author:
Huw Williams, London

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Last posted:
2013-09-19

AVIC International's acquisition of Thielert Aircraft Engines will not impact on Turkish Aerospace Industries' (TAI's) Anka unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) programme, IHS Jane's has learned, contradicting widespread media reports.
The Chinese aerospace giant revealed the takeover of the ailing German engine manufacturer - the company was declared bankrupt in 2008 - in late July of this year and later announced its intentions to shift the focus of the business to private aircraft and away from UAVs. AVIC funded the acquisition of Thielert through its newly established German company, Technify Motor GmbH (TMG), which will take over responsibility for Thielert's operations.

However, despite the plans to end the military business line, a source close to the Anka programme told IHS Jane's that TAI is already in position to meet its engine requirements for the UAV. "TAI owns the technical data package for the modified engines and has already agreed with TMG management to continue business with the same scope and principles set before with Thielert," the source said, adding that with the agreement in place "TAI is not currently pursuing an engine replacement for Anka".

Anka is powered by a 155 hp Centurion 2.0S four-cylinder, four-stroke, turbodiesel engine. In mid-August, TMG successfully renewed the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certifications required to design, produce, and maintain the Centurion line of engines.

Future modifications for the engine are also secure, the source said, noting that the modification programme - which consists of several stages, but all based on a core unit - had already completed development with Thielert before the sale of the company.

The Anka system was developed within the TIHA (the Turkish abbreviation for UAV) programme and completed acceptance test flights in January this year, having flown more than 140 hours since its first flight in December 2010. The aircraft is intended to provide all services of the Turkish military with an intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) capability, and will be equipped with a wide range of payloads that, in the first instance, will focus on electro-optical and infrared systems, but which will broaden to include synthetic aperture radar, communications relay, and signals intelligence payloads, among others. Down the line there is the possibility that a strike capability will be introduced.
 
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