Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

[dBSPL]

yeeeaaah babyyy...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571182754561228800

Baykar's new challenge begins. But this is something else. When the KIZIL ELMA will be on skies, nothing will be the same in this geography anymore. The only thing that is emerging is not the aircraft itself, but a new doctrine is emerging and every system that creates this understanding is developed accordingly. A fully autonomous mission capable supersonic and super agile jet, next generation sensor fusion and awareness capabilities, ramjet propelled air-to-air missiles; and best of all, these aircrafts will act like wolfpacks and outnumber enemy manned jets every theater.

Anyway, it's a long journey. But not for its first flight, even block-1's entry into service will be surprisingly fast. Because this is not a project that starts from scratch, it is built on nearly 10 years of work and experience.

I bet, KE will make a formation flying over skies with the Qatar Rafale stationed in Konya within years. If this happens before the Greek air force announces full operational capability for Rafale's first proper/full squadron, I'd laugh much.

 

[hyperman]

yeeeaaah babyyy...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571182754561228800

Why does the exhaust look so different compared to other turbofan aircraft?

 

[Oublious]

Why does the exhaust look so different compared to other turbofan aircraft?



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Thats trust vectoring, this is a drone not a fighter. It do not need it.

 

[dBSPL]

Why does the exhaust look so different compared to other turbofan aircraft?



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Exhaust nozzle looks different and some tail components are missing. This is just a motor integration test. There is no finished aircraft yet. Each stage of Baykar's AKINCI program was shared with the press. If you look at the early stages of turboprop testing there, you'll see similar aproaches.

 

[Oublious]

Baykar's new challenge begins. But this is something else. When the KIZIL ELMA will be on skies, nothing will be the same in this geography anymore. The only thing that is emerging is not the aircraft itself, but a new doctrine is emerging and every system that creates this understanding is developed accordingly. A fully autonomous mission capable supersonic and super agile jet, next generation sensor fusion and awareness capabilities, ramjet propelled air-to-air missiles; and best of all, these aircrafts will act like wolfpacks and outnumber enemy manned jets every theater.

Anyway, it's a long journey. But not for its first flight, even block-1's entry into service will be surprisingly fast. Because this is not a project that starts from scratch, it is built on nearly 10 years of work and experience.

I bet, KE will make a formation flying over skies with the Qatar Rafale stationed in Konya within years. If this happens before the Greek air force announces full operational capability for Rafale's first proper/full squadron, I'd laugh much.

Problem is Greece can not cry to countries to not sell the engine .

 

[MMM-E]

SIMILAR PROCESS WITH AKINCI

A similar process took place in AKINCI UCAV which was developed by Baykar
AKINCI completed its first engine integration test on September 1, 2019
AKINCI successfully performed its first flight on December 6, 2019.
AKINCI entered the inventory on August 29 , 2021 ...1.5 years after its first flight.


KIZILELMA completed its first engine integration test on September 17, 2022
KIZILELMA will make first flight in the first quarter of 2023
KIZILELMA will enter service in 2025

 

[hyperman]

Thats trust vectoring, this is a drone not a fighter. It do not need it.

The F-35 doesn't have thrust vectoring, the exhaust looks different even from the F-16.

 

[dBSPL]

Very good summary about project, also includes many detailed views

 

[Oublious]

The F-35 doesn't have thrust vectoring, the exhaust looks different even from the F-16.

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it is trust vectoring but 2d, the fighters like F22 and SU57 have 3d vectoring. KE do not have it maybe when the air to air version is being build.

 

[hyperman]

it is trust vectoring but 2d

actually the F-35A doesn't have thrust vectoring at all, you are confusing the lift fan on the f-35B, which moves downwards to allow for VTOL.

the fighters like F22

The F-22 has 2d thrust vectoring(pitch only)

Thrust vectoring - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dBSPL]

I would like to remind you again that this is just an engine integration test and the engine block cavity is designed for much larger radius.

 

[Oublious]

actually the F-35A doesn't have thrust vectoring at all, you are confusing the lift fan on the f-35B, which moves downwards to allow for VTOL.


The F-22 has 2d thrust vectoring(pitch only)

Thrust vectoring - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I thought turning the nozzle x and y as makes it 2d. You can see this engine turning z as.

 

[mulj]

Great milestone, at the end of the day 500 hundreds of Kizilelma will cost as 45 F35.
Next year this "cheap" toy will made all 4 and 4.5 airplanes obsolete.

 

[Deino]

Great milestone, at the end of the day 500 hundreds of Kizilelma will cost as 45 F35.
Next year this "cheap" toy will made all 4 and 4.5 airplanes obsolete.

Oh well ... yes, it is undeniable a great achievement, but to say it "will made all 4 and 4.5 airplanes obsolete" is nothing but a ridiculous joke and even more already "next year" !

Anyway, here some more ...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Great milestone, at the end of the day 500 hundreds of Kizilelma will cost as 45 F35.
Next year this "cheap" toy will made all 4 and 4.5 airplanes obsolete.

Has the cost of the Kizilelma drone been published/indicated anywhere ?