Air War Is Coming:---

[Wa Muhammada]

interesting development. look at this pakistani NOTAM.

Why would this be ?

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan raises some valid points. Sometimes I feel he is fishing for intel. But he needs to understand, military sop's do not change overnight, and armed forces work under very tight rules and regulations.

Hi,

Indeed---armed forces work under very tight rules of engagement---and that makes them predictable---. It is very difficult to change old habbits---.

For that very reason---pak military has often stated---we ;love our arab brothers---and if something happens---we will send our troops over---. Why they say that---out of old habbits---old is predictable---old is secure---.

But the modern enemy---the terrorist has changed its sop---it has become extremely ruthless and brutal---and by the time and army moves in from a foreign land to protect the assets---a large number of terrorist force would have played havoc with communities---just the ISIS---.

Modern weapons has changed the game plan and strike capabilities---. When last time the enemy had to be within a visual distance of the target---or somewhere around that to launch its wares---now it can do that from staying 10-20 miles within its boundaries and still be about 75-100 miles away from the target---.

So then---form where does the imminent threat level of no return start---from crossing over your boundary line or staying 10-20 miles behind their boundary lines---.

Convetional tactics say that 10 miles is not a threat---modern tactics would say---once the hostilities are announced---any aircraft coming towards you is a threat at 20 miles away and should be taken out---because hostile action has already been announced and hostile weapons can be launched into my territory while the enemy aircraft stays 20 miles within its territory---.

Now---in this scenario---you need a pro active battle commander---who is not hiding under the secure and sure adage of the past SOP's---.

@Khafee ---you need to understand pakistani mentality---why they attacked the second day---. It is a show of power to announce pre hand yu you are cming and yu are ging to kill them in their house--- Ghar Ja kay marna hai---" I will come and kill you in your house "---see that is the manly part of being a pakistani---. That is why they did what they did.

The Paf really really wanted to show off their weapons and EW package---to smack the enemy in the face and told them---you were making fun of us---now the world is making fun of you---try to come and get us.

Now this has satisfied all the pakistani egos---and everyone is happier---.

But if the Paf had played its cards right---they would have gone for maximum destruction of enemy aircraft the first night---smashed the enemy air strike groups and still kept their capabilities secret for another day f battle---.

What has happened now is---that Paf has proved its strength---but also ended up leaking its secrets---and it shows that they desperately wanted to leak the secrets---.

So---it tells me---there was someone in power in the higher ranks of pak military---who had the power of influence over the decision---but he also wanted to leak out this power that the Paf had in technology---.

@Khafee --- about these matters---I don't think like an ordinary person ---. I want to know why Paf did what it did the way it did---and my analysis is that it sucks---it stinks of treason---someone sold out Paf's capabilities for a minimal gain and ego satisfaction---.

Iaf will spend millions to want to neuter Paf's capabilities---.

These young pakistani puppies on this board have no clue what I am talking about---they are just happy as puppies can be---but I have serious concerns---why show your hand for a small success---.

What do you think @NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

 

[CodeforFood]

need a psychiatrist more than a shield

same difference...

 

[Enigma SIG]

Convetional tactics say that 10 miles is not a threat---modern tactics would say---once the hostilities are announced---any aircraft coming towards you is a threat at 20 miles away and should be taken out---because hostile action has already been announced and hostile weapons can be launched into my territory while the enemy aircraft stays 20 miles within its territory---.

Indians could have engaged our strike package too from BVR and blow them right out of the sky when they were in our airspace; just sayin.

 

[kursed]

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? =)

Indians are currently disposing off whatever is left of their NFU policy vis a vis Pakistan. They're entering into CF scenario. What makes you think that Pakistan would not have invited a nuclear strike onto itself, had it gone for a hit across the LOC on all major IAF bases? How do you know they even had any major strike aircraft on any of these bases?

Indians generally fly their premium assets in from deep, refuel them mid-air and then send them over Pakistan. Majority of strike bases near Pakistan have only Bisons on them and only some premium assets. You'd have PAF undertake such an exercise, under threat of S300s and and retaliatory non-conventional strike, to what affect really? What would this have achieved?

Whatever IAF did was responded to in kind and proportionately. There's a reason why Pakistan managed to keep international support in its favor and have India come down the escalation ladder.

Hi,

Thise vidoe of Gen Doshi proves my point that the Paf screwed up by not taking out the indian air force during the first night---. According to his numbers---12 M2K's and 4SU30's plus other assets---so at least 18 aircraft at Balakot---and almost double the size in the punjab region were moving in---so possibly between 36---50 aircraft.

Now these indians are rubbing the Paf's noses in dirt for letting the IAF's aircraft escape---.

And the drama about intentionally missing HQ and ammo dump's by Paf---that was a stupid narration of things---how dumb of pak military to do that---.

The level of stupid decisions went up by the incidence---.

 

[Riz]

Hi,

Indeed---armed forces work under very tight rules of engagement---and that makes them predictable---. It is very difficult to change old habbits---.

For that very reason---pak military has often stated---we ;love our arab brothers---and if something happens---we will send our troops over---. Why they say that---out of old habbits---old is predictable---old is secure---.

But the modern enemy---the terrorist has changed its sop---it has become extremely ruthless and brutal---and by the time and army moves in from a foreign land to protect the assets---a large number of terrorist force would have played havoc with communities---just the ISIS---.

Modern weapons has changed the game plan and strike capabilities---. When last time the enemy had to be within a visual distance of the target---or somewhere around that to launch its wares---now it can do that from staying 10-20 miles within its boundaries and still be about 75-100 miles away from the target---.

So then---form where does the imminent threat level of no return start---from crossing over your boundary line or staying 10-20 miles behind their boundary lines---.

Convetional tactics say that 10 miles is not a threat---modern tactics would say---once the hostilities are announced---any aircraft coming towards you is a threat at 20 miles away and should be taken out---because hostile action has already been announced and hostile weapons can be launched into my territory while the enemy aircraft stays 20 miles within its territory---.

Now---in this scenario---you need a pro active battle commander---who is not hiding under the secure and sure adage of the past SOP's---.

@Khafee ---you need to understand pakistani mentality---why they attacked the second day---. It is a show of power to announce pre hand yu you are cming and yu are ging to kill them in their house--- Ghar Ja kay marna hai---" I will come and kill you in your house "---see that is the manly part of being a pakistani---. That is why they did what they did.

The Paf really really wanted to show off their weapons and EW package---to smack the enemy in the face and told them---you were making fun of us---now the world is making fun of you---try to come and get us.

Now this has satisfied all the pakistani egos---and everyone is happier---.

But if the Paf had played its cards right---they would have gone for maximum destruction of enemy aircraft the first night---smashed the enemy air strike groups and still kept their capabilities secret for another day f battle---.

What has happened now is---that Paf has proved its strength---but also ended up leaking its secrets---and it shows that they desperately wanted to leak the secrets---.

So---it tells me---there was someone in power in the higher ranks of pak military---who had the power of influence over the decision---but he also wanted to leak out this power that the Paf had in technology---.

@Khafee --- about these matters---I don't think like an ordinary person ---. I want to know why Paf did what it did the way it did---and my analysis is that it sucks---it stinks of treason---someone sold out Paf's capabilities for a minimal gain and ego satisfaction---.

Iaf will spend millions to want to neuter Paf's capabilities---.

These young pakistani puppies on this board have no clue what I am talking about---they are just happy as puppies can be---but I have serious concerns---why show your hand for a small success---.

What do you think @NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

Incursions happens within 2 KM inside of LOC, they just entered and launched few guided missiles towards Balakot.... If PAF would reacted at that time trape was definitely waiting for them just like Abhinandan caught in trape , it will be more disgusting for us if 2nd say india all over the news claiming we shot down PAF jet inside indian territory and in reply we bomb terrorist camps inside Balakot... And about the revealing our capabilities you should not worry about bro so for we have shown one egg from the dozens of baskets

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

A lesson to learn from history
During WW2 British Royal airforce was at the brink ofcollapse Luftwaffe almost knocked em out both airforces didn't bomb each others cities yet but one luftwaffe bomber lost its track and bombed outskirts of one of the cities. I dont remember which city but the point is it gave Churchill the opening to start bombing German cities which diverted luftwaffe operations to bombing cities instead of taking out royal airforce and German cities became fair target for the first time in WW2.
Every thing every angle must be taken into consideration and every move calculated. I think Pakistan's deterrence is in tact and if airspace continue to be as it is at the moment then in return Indian shipment to Chabhar should be blocked or sabotaged.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why dont you and other warmongers use your brain for a change!!?

The first surgical strike was only in media. It did not happen on ground. So in your wisdom Pakistan should have just launched attack on India on a surgical strike that never happened?

On the second strike, Pakistan assessed damage. As there was no loss of life, the retaliatory attack clearly redrew the boundaries which India tried to erase - that is to never dare to cross the border. The message was clear, humiliating and firm.

Anytime Pakistan crosses the border and targets India's assets, its India that loses more. As India has built its reputation on its economy, its size and its democracy, it loses more credibility when smaller adversary kicks its but*.

Flying around with olive branch in beak doesn't stop wars. Wars are avoided with credible deterrence where chances of miscalculation are minimum and it's very crucial when we are dealing with nation who lives in Bollywood dreams and both have nuclear weapons. It's not that Indians woke up one day, did cross-LOC raid and started claiming surgical strike - they were threatening to do this kind of adventure for years. We didn't had proper plan to ensure that if India do this mistake once, it should understand the consequence very well and don't even think about repeating it.

First Surgical Strike stunt was small or big, loss or no-loss, real or fake is secondary debate, Real issue is that our response embolden clowns and made Indian forces a political tool in hands of petty politicians for whom getting votes and remaining in power is more important than anything else. You have already seen the consequence of it, first it was couple of km incursion on LOC, now it's bombing KP province. Our response that you bombed our open field, we will bomb your open field have actually increased the threshold for adventures not decreased and placed fate in hands of warmongers.

 

[Riz]

Proof of PAF strikes on indian ammunition depot inside IOK...

 

[Chak Bamu]

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? =)

Indians are currently disposing off whatever is left of their NFU policy vis a vis Pakistan. They're entering into CF scenario. What makes you think that Pakistan would not have invited a nuclear strike onto itself, had it gone for a hit across the LOC on all major IAF bases? How do you know they even had any major strike air crafts on any of these bases?

Indians generally fly their premium assets in from deep, refuel them mid-air and then send them over Pakistan. Majority of strike bases near Pakistan have only Bisons on them and only some premium assets. You'd have PAF undertake such an exercise, under threat of S300s and and retaliatory non-conventional strike, to what affect really? What would this have achieved?

Whatever IAF did was responded to in kind and proportionately. There's a reason why Pakistan managed to keep international support in its favor and have India come down the escalation ladder.

Cogent analysis. I think this post should be enough to kill this thread right here & right now.

 

[Slides]

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? =)

Indians are currently disposing off whatever is left of their NFU policy vis a vis Pakistan. They're entering into CF scenario. What makes you think that Pakistan would not have invited a nuclear strike onto itself, had it gone for a hit across the LOC on all major IAF bases? How do you know they even had any major strike air crafts on any of these bases?

Indians generally fly their premium assets in from deep, refuel them mid-air and then send them over Pakistan. Majority of strike bases near Pakistan have only Bisons on them and only some premium assets. You'd have PAF undertake such an exercise, under threat of S300s and and retaliatory non-conventional strike, to what affect really? What would this have achieved?

Whatever IAF did was responded to in kind and proportionately. There's a reason why Pakistan managed to keep international support in its favor and have India come down the escalation ladder.

Nice post. Are you the same guy from twitter with the same username?

 

[kursed]

Nice post. Are you the same guy from twitter with the same username?

Yes.

 

[truthseeker2010]

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? =)

Indians are currently disposing off whatever is left of their NFU policy vis a vis Pakistan. They're entering into CF scenario. What makes you think that Pakistan would not have invited a nuclear strike onto itself, had it gone for a hit across the LOC on all major IAF bases? How do you know they even had any major strike air crafts on any of these bases?

Indians generally fly their premium assets in from deep, refuel them mid-air and then send them over Pakistan. Majority of strike bases near Pakistan have only Bisons on them and only some premium assets. You'd have PAF undertake such an exercise, under threat of S300s and and retaliatory non-conventional strike, to what affect really? What would this have achieved?

Whatever IAF did was responded to in kind and proportionately. There's a reason why Pakistan managed to keep international support in its favor and have India come down the escalation ladder.

CF stands for?

 

[kursed]

CF stands for?

An overwhelming first nuclear strike, meant to disarm the adversary of its weapons - Counter Force Doctrine.

 

[truthseeker2010]

An overwhelming first nuclear strike, meant to disarm the adversary of its weapons - Counter Force Doctrine.

With Modi in power, that would be the last step for india to achieve rouge state status.