Air Forces of South China Sea claimants

[xunzi]

Yes, I'm aware that the C-130 can be upgraded to become a tanker. But both of the articles you've posted does not say that Taiwan has any crew already trained to operate tankers. I want to see source for this.

It only said that some of their fighter pilots have practiced mid-air refueling with the US/France. But for Taiwan to have mid-air refueling capabilities, like you've claimed, they must have both fighter pilots and tanker crews trained for mid-air refueling operation. I'm still waiting for source to prove that Taiwan already has a trained tanker crew.

Are you stupid or something? LOL If Taiwan can operate the C-130 and the C-130 can be an aerial refueling plane. All it needs is hose and fuel equipment install and it is ready to become a tanker! LOL

 

[William Hung]

Are you stupid or something? LOL If Taiwan can operate the C-130 and the C-130 can be an aerial refueling plane. All it needs is hose and fuel equipment install and it is ready to become a tanker! LOL

My friend, you'll never admit that you were wrong will you? lol.

First of all, let's remind ourselves that your first claim was that Taiwan has mid-air refueling capabilities. You should have then just admitted that you were wrong when we informed you that Taiwan does not operate any tankers.

Now, you're trying to twist your way out and talk about the possibility of Taiwan operating a tanker.

But it still seem silly now that you said "all it needs is hose and fuel equipment install." Really? so the crew don't need any training at all? Operating a transport version C-130H is the same as operating a KC-130 tanker? So the Taiwanese airforce can just convert their C-130H and train their refueling crew within minutes?? By the time they've converted their C-130H and train their crew, the Viet Su-30 would have carried out multiple raids on Taiping Island.

So unless you can provide source that Taiwan already possess KC-130 tankers and has fully trained tanker crew, you should just admit that you were wrong and move on.

 

[Nike]

That's true, but it takes 2 to tango and remains to be seen if a certain country in the region wants to tango, in the meantime, have to be prepared.

Prepared for the worst case scenario

I said in this forum quite a long time ago that Indonesia is the dark horse of the region and everything that I see keeps confirming that; it will take time, but its happening.

we are not sitting idle either looking the troubled future we must doing something, same with Malaysia, right now they are boosting her Naval capability with Six Gowind class frigate and six DSME corvette.

I admire both the Vietnamese and Indonesian militaries. In terms of professionalism and in confidence. They're both actually quite low key (takes on a low profile) during this stage. I see so much similarities in both the Indonesian and Vietnamese militaries with that of Japan's. Both (Indonesia and Viet Nam) are not pushovers, and will fight and intervene in order to secure their borders.

In Vietnam's case, it was the Invasion of Cambodia to eject the genocidal Khmer Rouge, whilst at the same time fighting a Chinese Invasion in 1979. Another example was Vietnam's involvement in helping defend the Laotians during the 1988 Thai-Lao Border War, which saw massive Thai casualties and prevention of Thai offensives to take Lao territory. It was a Lao victory and status ante-belllum was observed.

In Indonesia's case, it was the ejection of Dutch Forces from the Archipelago, then later defeating the Dutch in the Indonesian invasion of Irian Jaya , thereby seizing the West of Papua, then in the 1980s seized Timor Leste from the Portuguese colony. Prior , as well, Indonesia was not afraid to go head on against Australians, British, and Malays during the 1960s Konfrontasi -- in Indonesia's (Sukarno led) decision to counter the birth of Malaysian Federation. Indonesia, by her own right, is not afraid to fight in what it believes to be threats to the national concept of 'NUSANTARA'.

I admire these aspects of Indonesia and Viet Nam. They both will not bag down from a fight. And they will fight, when push comes to shove.

thanks

At the moment, Singapore is clearly the main naval and air power in the region, but I can see that eventually, Indonesia and Vietnam are going to come on top. I think its just a matter of time. Singapore can always rely on big daddy USA.

Indonesia albeit her reluctant to admit it openly, until now still regarded as major partner for US and still receive military support from US. As an example, before the invansion of Timor, US supplied thousand tonnes of Napalm bomb to Indonesia, several squadron of fighter and bomber, squadron of warships and logistic ship like LST and other military hardware and training. It just Indonesia, keep the low profile and doesn't ask much from them to minimize the potential irk from some countries in region. But if the potential conflict arise once more, Indonesia-US special relationship can be trigerred once more.

 

[liubang]

This person Yorozuya is most likely a Vietnamese. Former name was Black Flag

Don't care. Out of the blue, he attacked me. The mod already warn over this situation. And I already add him in my ignore list. So let stay on topic. Apologized for derailed. Thank you though. I never questioned his status or whatever he was (he is not interesting enough to be in my radar until he start insulting me).

 

[opruh]

I agree and that's why we didn't hear any chinese official response to Jokowi's statements that china's claims in SCS have no validity (as far as I know). You can only keep making enemies for so long.

@Indos , @pr1v4t33r , @katarabhumi , @NarThoD , @madokafc

It's only Jokowi, he's not like Obama so there is no need for a response.

 

[TheTruth]

In Vietnam's context, it was fighting the French, then later the Americans, then further on the Chinese. They have, successfully at that, ejected all foreign powers from their soil with much blood, toil and sweat.

In Indonesia's context, it was fighting a long and brutal war against the Dutch, then securing her vast maritime and archipelagic territory; from Sumatra in the west to Irian Jaya (West Papua) to the east, from Borneo and Celebes to the north to Bali in the south.

Vietnam has ejected plenty of native people from their land as well. In both cases, China actively armed and aided Viet/Indonesian fighters and it didn't hurt that Japan broke the French and Brits.

 

[Aepsilons]

Vietnam has ejected plenty of native people from their land as well. In both cases, China actively armed and aided Viet/Indonesian fighters and it didn't hurt that Japan broke the French and Brits.

Good point(s).