Air Forces of South China Sea claimants

[Aepsilons]

At the moment, Singapore is clearly the main naval and air power in the region, but I can see that eventually, Indonesia and Vietnam are going to come on top. I think its just a matter of time. Singapore can always rely on big daddy USA.

Singapore has a qualitative edge, no doubt, amigo. She can, by theory, hold out against enemies in a short war / operation. But the fact that she is an island (and a very tiny one at that), as well as dependent on water supply (from Malaysia), she cannot hold out against a long, protracted war. The Battle of Singapore in 1940 was an example of how a much qualitatively stronger and fielded British Army (144,000 strong) was defeated in the long run after a long and grueling protracted war with a much smaller Japanese Army (28,000 strong). Singapore , unlike Indonesia and Vietnam, lacks strategic depth, as well as lacks the man power.

Indonesia is a nation of over 256 million people. Vietnam is a nation of nearly 100 million people. Singapore is what? Only 5 million? The latter is puny compared to the formers.

 

[Carlosa]

I admire both the Vietnamese and Indonesian militaries. In terms of professionalism and in confidence. They're both actually quite low key (takes on a low profile) during this stage. I see so much similarities in both the Indonesian and Vietnamese militaries with that of Japan's. Both (Indonesia and Viet Nam) are not pushovers, and will fight and intervene in order to secure their borders.

In Vietnam's case, it was the Invasion of Cambodia to eject the genocidal Khmer Rouge, whilst at the same time fighting a Chinese Invasion in 1979. Another example was Vietnam's involvement in helping defend the Laotians during the 1988 Thai-Lao Border War, which saw massive Thai casualties and prevention of Thai offensives to take Lao territory. It was a Lao victory and status ante-belllum was observed.

In Indonesia's case, it was the ejection of Dutch Forces from the Archipelago, then later defeating the Dutch in the Indonesian invasion of Irian Jaya , thereby seizing the West of Papua, then in the 1980s seized Timor Leste from the Portuguese colony. Prior , as well, Indonesia was not afraid to go head on against Australians, British, and Malays during the 1960s Konfrontasi -- in Indonesia's (Sukarno led) decision to counter the birth of Malaysian Federation. Indonesia, by her own right, is not afraid to fight in what it believes to be threats to the national concept of 'NUSANTARA'.

I admire these aspects of Indonesia and Viet Nam. They both will not bag down from a fight. And they will fight, when push comes to shove.

Very true, most countries are either unwilling to fight (Malaysia) or don't have what it takes (Ph), so in the end, it comes down to those 2.

 

[Aepsilons]

We are in no business of making enemies. As long as mutual benefit, mutual trust, peace, prosperity, security and stability are upheld then we are all good.

"jangan ganggu aku.... saya tidak akan mengganggu anda."

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I agree and that's why we didn't hear any chinese official response to Jokowi's statements that china's claims in SCS have no validity (as far as I know). You can only keep making enemies for so long.

Because we're busy with our AIIB to welcome new members and take joy to see Japan and US are crying about the gorvernant and high standard issues as excuse , Jokowi's statement is certainly not bother us, we're not sensitive like little Viets when we're working with Reefs reclamation .

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia is a nation of over 256 million people. Vietnam is a nation of nearly 100 million people. Singapore is what? Only 5 million? The latter is puny compared to the formers.

Just as our 3rd president, Habibie said.. "a little red dot"

That's true, but it takes 2 to tango and remains to be seen if a certain country in the region wants to tango, in the meantime, have to be prepared.

First, we don't have to follow what other expect us to do. We choose our own music, rhytm and the dance... it doesn't have to be tango, right.

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[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Very true, most countries are either unwilling to fight (Malaysia) or don't have what it takes (Ph), so in the end, it comes down to those 2.

Vietnam??? LMAO if we decide to cut the Song Hong river off, Vietnam will collapse at no time and unconditionally surrender...we don't even need to fire a single bullet to bring Vietnam back to vessal state again as what US is actually doing with other north east asian country now .

 

[terranMarine]

Vietnam??? LMAO if we decide to cut the Song Hong river off, Vietnam will collapse at no time and unconditionally surrender...we don't even need to fire a single bullet to bring Vietnam back to vessal state again as what US is actually doing with other country now .

ultimate victory, it's time we should demonstrate this capability for a short period of time so they know we mean business

 

[Pangu]

Why should the Indos fight the Sings, when the benefit of Singapore as a model for Asian economic development & political case study, helps them to formulate their own policies? Building & continuing the trust & friendship is the core interest of ASEAN members, not infighting.

 

[Aepsilons]

Why should the Indos fight the Sings, when the benefit of Singapore as a model for Asian economic development & political case study, helps them to formulate their own policies? Building & continuing the trust & friendship is the core interest of ASEAN members, not infighting.

Poignant.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

ultimate victory, it's time we should demonstrate this capability for a short period of time so they know we mean business

We chinese hold many geographical advantage over our foes, we can shaken the basic geographcial foundation of their countries.

 

[terranMarine]

We chinese hold many geographical advantage over our foes, we can shaken the basic geographcial foundation of their countries.

they just don't know it yet thus i recommend we close the river to proof our point.

 

[Aepsilons]

Ha ha, in Vietnamese, we say that : bạch (white) nhật (day) mộng (dream).

Too much day dreaming makes one's eyes get too big. Not good.

 

[dichoi]

Too much day dreaming makes one's eyes get too big. Not good.

Japan doesn't have a river from Chia, so water supply in Japan is very clean and wealthy.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan doesn't have a river from Chia, so water supply in Japan is very clean and wealthy.

 

[Indos]

Why should the Indos fight the Sings, when the benefit of Singapore as a model for Asian economic development & political case study, helps them to formulate their own policies? Building & continuing the trust & friendship is the core interest of ASEAN members, not infighting.

We are not going to fight any one, even though we are projected to have much power in the future ( based on future economy projection and our military plan). Instead, we want to stabilize the hot tension on the region. If you can see, Indonesia has long cooperation and historical ties with the Japanese. Even, our trade with the Japanese is still strong until now, unlike other South East Asian countries. We also have strong relationship with China since long long time ago. Some of our local ethnic are even originated from China, and they have become native. We do have close relationship with Seoul as well, the most expensive military project Seoul has had (KFX) is being worked with us as the other participated party. Their biggest steel company (POSO) has made joint venture with our biggest steel company (Krakatau Steel/ state owned) with ambitious plan a head. And in the same time, we also have great relationship with North Korea as well.

Actually Singapore is not a role model in term of any political case study in South East Asia region, they are not fully democratic. Indonesia is rather the model for political case study in the region, and also ( some said) in the Muslim world. In term of the Muslim world, we are going to improve our cooperation with them in a step by step basis, as already been seen with our military industries cooperation with Turkey ( medium tank) and Iran ( radar). In the mean time, Saudi and us has also signed a strategic military cooperation which is backed by Saudi parliament. As well as with Pakistan, just signed a strategic military cooperation with them not long ago.