Air Forces of South China Sea claimants

[Carlosa]

What exactly is your point? That Taiwan cannot fly to Taiping, land, re-fuel and engage Vietnam aircraft in its vicinity? How about proving Vietnamese pilots can fly Su-30 first and landing on SCS?

Does Vietnam have the capability to refuel in the air like Taiwan does?

Using your own numbers: "The distance from Taiwan to Itu Aba (Taiping Island) is 1,637km"
Taiwanese F-16's can't even reach Taiping with a combat load.

So a C-130, a larger aircraft, can land and take off on Taiping airport but not F-16s? Is that what you are trying to say? LOL Listen, in peace time, they will not need to put F-16s on Taiping consider they have to put all their aircraft to face the PLAAF. So you have to understand their sensitivities here. As far as re-fueling, C-130 can be equipped with refueling if the US gives it a go. The pilots have training for refueling. Right now, it is just our pressure that block any attempt to gain offensive capability. But for defensive purpose, anything is a go for them.

Get this once and for all, Taiping is too far from Taiwan for combat jets.
Its ok for C-130 which is how it is used to resupply the island, but that's it.

Furthermore, the island is not set up to operate combat jets, neither are they planning that for obvious reasons.

This whole thing about operating fighters from Taiping is a fantasy from Martian 2.

 

[xunzi]

Using your own numbers: "The distance from Taiwan to Itu Aba (Taiping Island) is 1,637km"
Taiwanese F-16's can't even reach Taiping with a combat load.



Get this once and for all, Taiping is too far from Taiwan for combat jets.
Its ok for C-130 which is how it is used to resupply the island, but that's it.

So your point is your Su-30 with a combat radius of 1,600km can get to Taiping Island. Let say you have a 1,600km and distance from Vietnam to Taiping Island is 777km. In a two ways flight, that is close to 1,600km. You can barely engage in combat without air-refueling capabilities and landing capability in SCS. How do you suppose you can fight then?

 

[Viet]

You are really stupid dude. LOL The distance from Taiwan to Itu Aba (Taiping Island) is 1,637km and F-16s range is update to 4,000km. So in time of war with Vietnam invasion, they sure can put a lot of aircraft to defend and defeat the Vietnamese. They outnumber Vietnamese aircraft by 3 to 1. So I say Taiwan can definitely defeat Vietnam in the air since they have better AEW&C. In the naval realm with the Vietnamese deploying submarine, it is a different story. But right now, Vietnam only have 1 kilo so it is not an easy battle for Vietnam. That you can assure. Though, everyone knows we put enormous pressure on Taiwan military, otherwise they would equip submarine a long time ago. This wouldn't even be a discussion between the Vietnam vs Taiwan.

so you say the distance from taiwan to taiping Itu Aba is 1,637km and F-16s range is max 4,000km.

let say the airfield of taiping is destroyed. can you tell me how long can the f-16s engage in air combats before they are forced to return to taiwan? 30 minutes or less? best bet is 10 minutes.

if taiwan sends air refuelling tankers. how they want to protect them? the f-16 can provide protection for 10 minutes.

how taiwan intends to provide air cover to AEW&C aircraft if we send our frigates midway between taiwan and taiping and target them with anti aircraft missiles?

we have 3 kilos now, not 1.

 

[Carlosa]

So your point is your Su-30 with a combat radius of 1,600km can get to Taiping Island. Let say you have a 1,600km and distance from Vietnam to Taiping Island is 777km. In a two ways flight, that is close to 1,600km. You can barely engage in combat without air-refueling capabilities and landing capability in SCS. How do you suppose you can fight then?

Of course SU-30 has much better range than F-16s and the Viet air bases are much closer to Taiping, so its not a problem in itself, but that's not the point here. The point is that there is not such a thing as fighter jets operating from Taiping or planning to do that or any talk from Taiwan to do the necessary work in Taiping for that. That whole issue is a fantasy.

so you say the distance from taiwan to taiping Itu Aba is 1,637km and F-16s range is max 4,000km.

let say the airfield of taiping is destroyed. can you tell me how long can the f-16s engage in air combats before they are forced to return to taiwan? 30 minutes or less? best bet is 10 minutes.

if taiwan sends air refuelling tankers. how they want to protect them?

how taiwan intends to provide air cover to AEW&C aircraft if we send our frigates midway between taiwan and taiping and target them with anti aircraft missiles?

we have 3 kilos now, not 1.

Taiwan doesn't have refueling aircraft at the moment and anyway, they are not planning anything about placing fighter jets in Taiping because it doesn't make sense, its indefensible. Same reasons why Vietnam will not base fighter jets in Spratly island even that Vietnam is still in a much better geographical situation, but still, from a military perspective, it makes no sense.

 

[xunzi]

so you say the distance from taiwan to taiping Itu Aba is 1,637km and F-16s range is max 4,000km.

let say the airfield of taiping is destroyed. can you tell me how long can the f-16s engage in air combats before they are forced to return to taiwan? 30 minutes or less?

if taiwan sends air refuelling tankers. how they want to protect them?

how taiwan intends to provide air cover to AEW&C aircraft if we send our frigates midway between taiwan and taiping and target them with anti aircraft missiles?

we have 3 kilos now, not 1.

The truth is both of you have limited offensive capability in Spratly. But at least Taiwan have an operational airport for landing and resupply. They also can refueling if US gives it a go. As for protecting C-130, they have enough aircraft and Early Warning planes to spot an attack. I say how you spot their plane in the first place is more of a challenge than Taiwan worry about protecting C-130. Either way, without landing capability in SCS, nobody has the capability to project power. This is why, we are building 7 unsinkable islands!

 

[Viet]

So your point is your Su-30 with a combat radius of 1,600km can get to Taiping Island. Let say you have a 1,600km and distance from Vietnam to Taiping Island is 777km. In a two ways flight, that is close to 1,600km. You can barely engage in combat without air-refueling capabilities and landing capability in SCS. How do you suppose you can fight then?

standard su-30 has a range of 3,000 km with 3.75 hour combat mission. with extra fuel 8,000 km for 10 hours. vietnam su-30 are configured as maritime combat aircraft.

 

[Carlosa]

The truth is both of you have limited offensive capability in Spratly. But at least Taiwan have an operational airport for landing and resupply. They also can refueling if US gives it a go. As for protecting C-130, they have enough aircraft and Early Warning planes to spot an attack. I say how you spot their plane in the first place is more of a challenge than Taiwan worry about protecting C-130. Either way, without landing capability in SCS, nobody has the capability to project power. This is why, we are building 7 unsinkable islands!

The truth is, only china can make an air base in the Spratlys work (and still, there are significant vulnerabilities), for everybody else it would make no sense and that's why nobody is planning to do it, including Taiwan.

Agree?

 

[xunzi]

Of course SU-30 has much better range than F-16s and the Viet air bases are much closer to Taiping, so its not a problem in itself, but that's not the point here. The point is that there is not such a thing as fighter jets operating from Taiping or planning to do that or any talk from Taiwan to do the necessary work in Taiping for that. That whole issue is a fantasy.
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You don't have any operational airport in South China Sea because almost all features you control in Spratly are tiny. Your base is in the mainland Vietnam. Basically you fly to Taiping, that take half of your aircraft fuel, and the other half you have to worry about getting back.

I have show you proof that their Taiping Island airport can operated a larger plane. The question of landing and taking off an F-16s is not debatable.

standard su-30 has a range of 3,000 km with 3.75 hour combat mission. with extra fuel 8,000 km for 10 hours. vietnam su-30 are configured as maritime combat aircraft.
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3,000 is with 1 refueling. 8,000km with 2 refueling. The question here is do you have any refueling tanker and are your pilots train for air-refueling to begin with?

The truth is, only china can make an air base in the Spratlys work (and still, there are significant vulnerabilities), for everybody else it would make no sense and that's why nobody is planning to do it, including Taiwan.

Agree?

Beside the US, nobody, I repeat NOBODY can threaten us in SCS.

Good night, my friend!

 

[Carlosa]

You don't have any operational airport in South China Sea because almost all features you control in Spratly are tiny. Your base is in the mainland Vietnam. Basically you fly to Taiping, that take half of your aircraft fuel, and the other half you have to worry about getting back.

I have show you proof that their Taiping Island airport can operated a larger plane. The question of landing and taking off an F-16s is not debatable.

I never said that an F-16 can't land or take off there. What I said is that there has never been a fighter jet there or any plans to do that and in any case, plenty of support work needs to be done in the island in order to operate aircraft there. The SCS weather will ruin any aircraft there in no time, you need to build hangars and all the support stuff, but still, no plans for that because it makes no sense.

Vietnam has a runway in Spratly island.

You don't have any operational airport in South China Sea because almost all features you control in Spratly are tiny. Your base is in the mainland Vietnam. Basically you fly to Taiping, that take half of your aircraft fuel, and the other half you have to worry about getting back.

I have show you proof that their Taiping Island airport can operated a larger plane. The question of landing and taking off an F-16s is not debatable.


3,000 is with 1 refueling. 8,000km with 2 refueling. The question here is do you have any refueling tanker and are your pilots train for air-refueling to begin with?


Beside the US, nobody, I repeat NOBODY can threaten us in SCS.

Good night, my friend!

Actually, can threaten and cause damage, but not win.
The only one that can threaten and win is definitely USA.

Good night.

 

[Viet]

3,000 is with 1 refueling. 8,000km with 2 refueling. The question here is do you have any refueling tanker and are your pilots train for air-refueling to begin with?

Beside the US, nobody, I repeat NOBODY can threaten us in SCS.

Good night, my friend!

the su-30 carries 5,090kg of fuel in internal tanks. with external tank, 9,400kg. it can be refueled midair. but that´s right, we don´t possess air tankers yet.

 

[William Hung]

So your point is your Su-30 with a combat radius of 1,600km can get to Taiping Island. Let say you have a 1,600km and distance from Vietnam to Taiping Island is 777km. In a two ways flight, that is close to 1,600km. You can barely engage in combat without air-refueling capabilities and landing capability in SCS. How do you suppose you can fight then?

LOL did you even bothered check the definition of "combat radius"? After someone has pointed out your lack of knowledge regarding range, I thought you'd go and do some reading. Here's a simple definition of Combat radius from wiki:

" Combat radius refers to the distance from an airbase that a warplane can reach, patrol there for a set amount of time and return to base with minimal fuel left, thus completing a combat mission."

LOL why did you have to divide the combat radius by 2? The radius already includes the return flight back to base.

The combat radius of a basic vanilla Su-30MK is supposedly 1300km. Well within the range of Itu Aba.

You don't have any operational airport in South China Sea because almost all features you control in Spratly are tiny. Your base is in the mainland Vietnam. Basically you fly to Taiping, that take half of your aircraft fuel, and the other half you have to worry about getting back.

No it doesn't take half of the fuel to reach there. The combat radius is well pass Itu Aba.

Good night, my friend!

Oh no, don't go yet!!! We're still having some fun.

 

[Carlosa]

LOL did you even bothered check the definition of "combat radius"? After someone has pointed out your lack of knowledge regarding range, I thought you'd go and do some reading. Here's a simple definition of Combat radius from wiki:

" Combat radius refers to the distance from an airbase that a warplane can reach, patrol there for a set amount of time and return to base with minimal fuel left, thus completing a combat mission."

LOL why did you have to divide the combat radius by 2? The radius already includes the return flight back to base.

The combat radius of a basic vanilla Su-30MK is supposedly 1300km. Well within the range of Itu Aba.



No it doesn't take half of the fuel to reach there. The combat radius is well pass Itu Aba.




Oh no, don't go yet!!! We're still having some fun.

Man, these people are really a laugh, plenty of cheap talk, but they have no clues and never admit a mistake.

Actually, SU-30s often patrol Taiping island and make harassment passes over the island, its no problem at all for them to do that.

 

[William Hung]

Man, these people are really a laugh, plenty of cheap talk, but they have no clues and never admit a mistake.

Actually, SU-30s often patrol Taiping island and make harassment passes over the island, its no problem at all for them to do that.

Yea he talks about Taiwan having air to air refueling capability which I think he pulled from his butt. After we told him Taiwan does not operate any tankers, he then said the Taiwanese are already trained for that and they are just waiting for uncle Sam for permission, he probably just pulled that from his butt again.

I was gonna ask him if he has any source to back up that claim since I've never heard about Taiwan having a trained crew readily available to operate a tanker and perform air to air refueling. But then he ran away. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Carlosa]

Yea he talks about Taiwan having air to air refueling capability which I think he pulled from his butt. After we told him Taiwan does not operate any tankers, he then said the Taiwanese are already trained for that and they are just waiting for uncle Sam for permission, he probably just pulled that from his butt again.

I was gonna ask him if he has any source to back up that claim since I've never heard about Taiwan having a trained crew readily available to operate a tanker and perform air to air refueling. But then he ran away. Maybe tomorrow.

Just kids doing their daily daydreaming.

 

[Zero_wing]

Or on drugs you can never tell with this dornes from the Maoist china