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Air Cdre Azam Khan - The man who got injured defending Kamra Base

Enough of the BS already............

Base commander did what he thought was good . He made his decision after seeing things............

Plans are there and so are the teams but they might have some un known factor which make him come out and lead his team.

All these Internet warrior i think he is more intelligent and more experienced than you all guys. So shut the crap .


Salute to all the brave son of the sail who give their lives to protect Pakistan.

May Allah (S.W.T) grant their souls Jannah and give this land more brave son which Protects Pakistan with their lives. Ameen

This is what we are trying to tell you all.
If it takes some "terrorists" to cause the unknown factor, even after advance warning and almost a year of preperation
then Shame on Commander's planning.

It's like a student prepares a full year for final exams, and then complains that the paper is too tough ...

We are talkig about a base commander, who has had proper training and possibly had the expertise to be promoted to the rank he was holding.

Yet it took less than 10 terrorists to ruin his plans forced chaos and he had to come out !

Do you know how to play Chess ?
 
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Mister living in an illusion,

This officer had over a year to make his plans for security for this base---the third rate standards that you have set for yourself and for your country---no reason why you can't get out the sh-it hole that you are stuck in.

If you have no question on what he did---then you have no right living as a pakistani---. You are the curse that pakistan has---you are the tragedy that the nation pakistan has to bear----.


Sir , you need to take it easy , in a war or even a battle Gun will never win it , nor will sitting in the box giving orders & isolating yourself from your soldiers , Azam khan here was not in the Field of fire , He was not giving orders standing in front of his men , He was at a safe Distance , a Distance good enough to keep the morals of Soldiers high & yet being safe enough that a stray bullet will not hit you.

He did not get shot , it was a RPG shrapnel Fire in desperation from terrorists. you need to give Credit where it is Due , a Great mind with a Weak body is useless & so is a Strong body with weak mind.

Everyone has their own leadership style , they know the best way they can lead , we are no one to criticize until we are in their shoes , in case of Death of a Leader Proxys are always there, You sir are only looking at one side of the picture while ignoring the other one.
 
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Just one question out of curiosity.

If commanders decide to join the fight themselves just like regular foot soldiers, who will command the battle?

Ever heard the term "Leading from the front"? No-ones life is indispensable, and an ordinary soldier's life is as valuable as a general's life. In crises, people who remove themselves from the situation and want to give orders from a safe distance, while ordering everyone else to put themselves in danger, aren't true leaders in the first place. It's the people on the front who see first-hand information as it happens, and can make the best decision.

This is a fundamental difference between the Pakistani mindset and the Indians, and is the reason why Pakistan has officer casualty rates much higher than Americans/NATO in this on-going war. Pak officers are daring and lead from the front.
 
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Mister living in an illusion,

This officer had over a year to make his plans for security for this base---the third rate standards that you have set for yourself and for your country---no reason why you can't get out the sh-it hole that you are stuck in.

If you have no question on what he did---then you have no right living as a pakistani---. You are the curse that pakistan has---you are the tragedy that the nation pakistan has to bear----.

Not sure why moderators allow abusive posts like this. Interesting that you say 'your country' ie you do not associate Pakistan as being your own country -- obviously you now see your self as born and bred American. You go further by calling Pakistan a 'sh-it hole' which shows your true colours. If you are of Pakistani origin (I sincerely hope not) I would suggest that traitors like you are 'the curse that pakistan has---you are the tragedy that the nation pakistan has to bear'.

As for the Commander - with his attitude no terrorist was going to do any damage worth mentioning. He is a true hero. By and large the only people you can see ridiculing him on threads like this are those who were hoping for the maximum damage and Indians who were obviously hoping for maximum damage - sorry guys - not on this mans watch.
 
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The weapons and gadgets in hand of PAF/Soldier shown the preparedness of the PAF/Army.

G3 in hand that's it no other thing/gadget etc with the soldier!
 
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Sir , you need to take it easy , in a war or even a battle Gun will never win it , nor will sitting in the box giving orders & isolating yourself from your soldiers , Azam khan here was not in the Field of fire , He was not giving orders standing in front of his men , He was at a safe Distance , a Distance good enough to keep the morals of Soldiers high & yet being safe enough that a stray bullet will not hit you.

He did not get shot , it was a RPG shrapnel Fire in desperation from terrorists. you need to give Credit where it is Due , a Great mind with a Weak body is useless & so is a Strong body with weak mind.

Everyone has their own leadership style , they know the best way they can lead , we are no one to criticize until we are in their shoes , in case of Death of a Leader Proxys are always there, You sir are only looking at one side of the picture while ignoring the other one.

we are really dragging this issue too far. I also had some misgivings of his actions .. but only because of the danger of him getting killed. I am not questioning his morale and his courage.

there is not enough information if he had a gun and was running along with the commandos and got injured in the process or was on the scene behind cover and keeping an eye on the situation and got injured somehow.the claim of taking three bullets is not backed up by other reports. maybe it was a shrapnel, but its established he was injured.

I dont accept the assumption that since base defences were inadequate so he joined in as well to defend. he would have come all the way from home for all we know, he was not on guard duty at 2:30 in the morning was he? and that wont have done any good anyway. but if indeed the base defences are really as bad as suggested by few members then bravo to the commander and the sepoy who together foiled the attack of the trained terrorists.

the concern that I share with some members is that the Sepoy was on his own for 15 minutes engaging the terrorist? maybe the reports are in fragments and not complete. there must have been a rapid reaction force on duty at base that is meant to respond in about half of this time (pure assumption based on where the team sits and the size of the base + incident distance from the team).




the real person to celebrate indeed is that young sepoy.

Mister living in an illusion,

This officer had over a year to make his plans for security for this base---the third rate standards that you have set for yourself and for your country---no reason why you can't get out the sh-it hole that you are stuck in.

If you have no question on what he did---then you have no right living as a pakistani---. You are the curse that pakistan has---you are the tragedy that the nation pakistan has to bear----.

Easy tiger

we all have different mental capacity and grasp of everything in life. dont force him to think like yourself because he cant and he wont. give him another 20 or 30 years then maybe he will understand where Khan Lala was coming from. by then he will be telling his younger generation from his life experiences.

you are bullying the kids here, this must stop :) dont be so condescending if they dont get you, they wont speak up and wont question, and that will be a loss. this attitude of elders is very counter-productive, we slap first and answer later (that too if we feel like it).

by the way third rate security worked out fine. the terrorists sucked @ss due to the heroics of a Sepoy and an ageing commander. you say what if next time the attackers come 10 fold?
I say bring it on TTP biatches, we will be ready with helicopter gunships, Machine-gun posts and 5 more sepoys like Asif.

The weapons and gadgets in hand of PAF/Soldier shown the preparedness of the PAF/Army.

G3 in hand that's it no other thing/gadget etc with the soldier!

And bravo to the Sepoy what he managed to do with it.
hopefully the guard towers and posts will have other weapons and equipment as well. if not? then lets hope we still have other Sepoy's like Asif.
 
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perhaps the commander was desperate to not let happen repeat of meharan attack which destroyed 3 ASW platforms of PN

here, only 1 one plane was damaged and that damage too was not beyond repair
 
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Not sure why moderators allow abusive posts like this. Interesting that you say 'your country' ie you do not associate Pakistan as being your own country --


As for the Commander - with his attitude no terrorist was going to do any damage worth mentioning. He is a true hero.


easy now

its not a personal point scoring. dont follow the foot steps of others if you disagree with their way of posting.
posters on both sides are only giving their point of view and making assumptions. just keep it civil.

your praise is based on your point of view and someone else' criticism is based on his that is that. nationalism and patriotism can cloud judgement and so can continued bickering over Pakistan.

vice air chief staff was doing it sir

yup thats called multitasking
he wasnt banned from using the radios and give instructions
maybe he had better options in the CCTV control room etc but I guess he decided to go on spot of the action because the terrorists were confined at one place.
 
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The Commander knows the best where a plane is Located & what it its Strategic importance , as far as i know ( and i could be Wrong) the reason he (Crd Azam) was in the field was to make sure firefight does not go into locations which hold strategic importance , like Erieye Hanger which wasn't far from the fire fight and an Il-78 which was in the visual Range of attackers , his reason to be there was to make sure the firefight is contained in a specific area, he was giving instructions to the SSW commandos to make sure perimeter of some specific are not breached .

However to criticize someone just for doing their Job they way they want to do it is Wrong , as long as he Accomplished his goal there shouldn't be any questions.

That's just my opinion though , Elders can disagree but to insult someone just because one has a different point of view is also the reason we are in this Mess as we cannot understand what someone is trying to say & assume the other person is wrong & we are always right ( To Sir MastanKhan with Respect )
 
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, like Erieye Hanger which wasn't far from the fire fight and an Il-78 which was in the visual Range of attackers ,

Very respectfuly, the shortest distance between the Saabs and Il-78 was 1300m apprx.
 
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Very respectfuly, the shortest distance between the Saabs and Il-78 was 1300m apprx.

If you cannot Understand my Statement , I cannot argue with you. it will be a waste of both of our times.
 
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Azam's reflexes show the heart of a brave man. I am sure his presence and participation in the ground battle would have been all the inspiration that the defenders needed to fight off the attackers. Here is a man of courage who didn't hide in the bunker when the shootings began. There are ample number of staff officers / duty personnel to man the Ops Room.
 
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If you cannot Understand my Statement , I cannot argue with you. it will be a waste of both of our times.

I completely understood you.

I was just giving the distance.

There's a reason I said respectfully (so you dont get hot headed).

If you mis-understood me, i apologize.

Further than this, yeah it would be a waste of time.
 
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However to criticize someone just for doing their Job they way they want to do it is Wrong , as long as he Accomplished his goal there shouldn't be any questions................

WRONG. Firstly, the Base Commander, of all people, must follow laid down procedures too, and ALL incidents MUST be analyzed, probed and questioned in detail to improve the SOPs for future incidents.
 
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WRONG. Firstly, the Base Commander, of all people, must follow laid down procedures too, and ALL incidents MUST be analyzed, probed and questioned in detail to improve the SOPs for future incidents.

exactly

thats the key
and one of the only ways to improve ourselves

Nationalism and patriotism can play along on the sidelines

for starters the failure by the authorities to nail the terrorists while they resided in the village and enjoyed the hospitality of a local who thought that blowing up a PAF base was some sort of service to Islam. I know the base commander cant be held responsible for the failure of our jobs worth police and other civilain law enforcement agencies I am just mentioning that fact which is completely overlooked.
 
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