Agreement Done Myanmar will buy JF-17... Dunya news

[flameboard]

Fc-1 or jf-17 ?

Details please..

FC-1 because I think China is the one proving the plane. Pakistan just gets a financial cut of the deal

 

[WishLivePak]

Ok, give me an international relations precedent and i'll agree with you. Give me an example where any nation GAVE weapons to STOP a genocide.

shhhh

If this deal doesn't go through (it may however), there will be 10 threads on PDF condemning Myanmar and saying "gov't should cut ties with this gov't which is promoting genocide."

It is true that in business, ethics do not matter. Give weapons to Iraq, let them fight Iran, none of US business. But I'd like to hear a story where Muhammad (PBUH) gave swords and men to others so they could fight and hence Medina could profit from it.

Qu'ran tells us to save another human, but when business comes in, oh boy, even interest is permissible. Actually nearly everything is "permissible."

What fellow PDF member are saying is true, but being an Islamic Republic, are we upholding business ethics or humane/religious ethics? If yesterday Syria was gassing its citizens, or some christian African country was exterminating entire muslim population from within its borders, would it be a good idea for Pakistan to sell them jets, weapons or other stuff?


Why are we to complain why US funds "freedom fighters" (who in turn cause destabilization in muslim world, per popular view here) over the world (which is "business") if we're on path to follow same guidelines.


Anyway, this deal should go through if Pakistan can get guarantees from the gov't that it will help stop the genocide. Or it can ensure that such weapons will not be used to target innocent civilians (not just muslms).


Finally, we shouldn't pray for safety of any muslim outside of Pakistan (per views expressed here) or Myanmar if we are going to arm their gov't which in turn doesn't care of muslims being massacred.

Edit: Actually, why do we condemn Hindu aggression or any non-muslim aggression towards muslim minorities? If what Myanmar does is their business, then what India does is her business. We should not complain why US is making deals with a hindu nationalist whose gov't commited muslim genocide or other extremist policies pursued by his gov't. Or why the US makes deals with Israel?


And this, my friends, is the hypocrisy.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

These planes will be used to bomb Rohingya muslims.......

not our business buddy, let the bangladesh, india feel concern.

Why not? why assisting a government involved in suppression of their Muslim citizens?......"Islamic" republic of Pakistan condemns Israel on same basis but here i see them selling planes to similar regime. What a munfiqat. I shouldn't be surprised though, this is the same army which assisted America in destruction of not only Afghanistan but also used F-16s , artillery, gunships , tanks etc on their own tribal belt, causing destabilization of entire Pashtun belt. Dollars is not every thing, faith and honour are above dollars.

actually not this reason in particular. Israel is actually a bit of a threat to our own existence.

 

[SipahSalar]

Will we give weapons to Islamic State to make them stop killing people? The Burmese muslims are in a similar situation, except the killings and genocide is STATE SANCTIONED.

What fellow PDF member are saying is true, but being an Islamic Republic, are we upholding business ethics or humane/religious ethics?

Yar forget Muslims, as soon as you say Muslims the value of life falls a lot in peoples eyes. This is about basic human rights. Do people those people have no human rights?

They are being beheaded. They are being ethnically cleansed, they are not allowed to have children of free accord ( only applies to muslims in Burma) Burmese Muslims given two-child limit | World news | The Guardian

It doesn't have to be weapons, it can be anything really. Weapons in this case are what Pakistan can only offer, but it's not new.

Western nations use defense and military deals to increase influence and promote their own agenda, or use them as supporting human rights. The US does it, the UK does it, France does it, it's German law, it's Swedish Law, the entire EU does it.

You're looking at it the wrong way. Let me ask you, how do you propose Pakistan stop these killings? They're certainly going to go on whether or not Pakistan gives these weapons. How would Pakistan go about influencing Myanmar/Burma to stop these attacks?

Yes, not weapons. Then follow that example. There is a reason you wont find a precedant for weapons, because it doesn't make sense. Try to grasp the logic in what you are saying " i want them to stop killing people, so ill give them more weapons that will make them stronger and international action harder against them, and it will become easier for them to kill people"

You can't just interchange weapons with other trade goods. That is a poor analogy.

What can Pakistan do to stop it? We can't do much, we can raise our voice at UN. But that does not mean we start selling them weapons, where is the sense in that? Just because we cant do much against them, lets make them stronger?

As the poster above pointed, you will find no example from prophets life, but i realise islam is considered a weak argument here in PDF, so i point out that you will find no precendent in international politics either.

 

[Hurter]

Azerbaijan, Argentina, Nigeria, Bulgaria and now Myanmar. And there is no confirmation yet from PAC.

 

[WishLivePak]

Yar forget Muslims, as soon as you say Muslims the value of life falls a lot in peoples eyes. This is about basic human rights. Do people those people have no human rights?

They are being beheaded. They are being ethnically cleansed, they are not allowed to have children of free accord ( only applies to muslims in Burma) Burmese Muslims given two-child limit | World news | The Guardian

Yes, not weapons. Then follow that example. There is a reason you wont find a precedant for weapons, because it doesn't make sense. Try to grasp the logic in what you are saying " i want them to stop killing people, so ill give them more weapons that will make them stronger and international action harder against them, and it will become easier for them to kill people"

You can't just interchange weapons with other trade goods. That is a poor analogy.

What can Pakistan do to stop it? We can't do much, we can raise our voice at UN. But that does not mean we start selling them weapons, where is the sense in that? Just because we cant do much against them, lets make them stronger?

As the poster above pointed, you will find no example from prophets life, but i realise islam is considered a weak argument here in PDF, so i point out that you will find no precendent in international politics either.

Well, Pakistan can export weapons on condition they won't be used to kill innocent people.

And also they should drop "Islamic republic," considering business has triumphed religion and we may no longer be an Islamic nation.

 

[Viper0011.]

If this news is true...then it's the best month with so many good news
1 Saheen lll
2 Burraq UCAV
3 Barq laser guided misslie
4 Z-10 gift from china
5 (rumor) Jf17 block ll maiden flight
6 and now this news
congratulation Pakistani bhaion

I don't know if you ever read my posts on other threads or not, but I've been saying it for over a year, that Pakistan in 2017 will start to become a different country than what it is today. Many economy, trade and defense related business deals are making its way to Pakistan. The sooner the country achieves peace and stability, the better. The economic growth in about 3 years will be going into a vertical climb on Mach 1!

 

[cirr]

Congratulations if true。

 

[Zibago]

Wait isnt Burma going to war with China?

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Having military ties with Burma gives us a 'tangible' say in regards to Rohingas. Making empty statements with no real pull won't cut it. Sorry but that's how international politics works.

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this is lat thing mynamar would accept..
see how they evolve..

 

[fatman17]

We r now so desperate that we believe in ticker news on Dunya TV. Wow

 

[wiseone2]

shhhh

If this deal doesn't go through (it may however), there will be 10 threads on PDF condemning Myanmar and saying "gov't should cut ties with this gov't which is promoting genocide."

It is true that in business, ethics do not matter. Give weapons to Iraq, let them fight Iran, none of US business. But I'd like to hear a story where Muhammad (PBUH) gave swords and men to others so they could fight and hence Medina could profit from it.

Qu'ran tells us to save another human, but when business comes in, oh boy, even interest is permissible. Actually nearly everything is "permissible."

What fellow PDF member are saying is true, but being an Islamic Republic, are we upholding business ethics or humane/religious ethics? If yesterday Syria was gassing its citizens, or some christian African country was exterminating entire muslim population from within its borders, would it be a good idea for Pakistan to sell them jets, weapons or other stuff?


Why are we to complain why US funds "freedom fighters" (who in turn cause destabilization in muslim world, per popular view here) over the world (which is "business") if we're on path to follow same guidelines.


Anyway, this deal should go through if Pakistan can get guarantees from the gov't that it will help stop the genocide. Or it can ensure that such weapons will not be used to target innocent civilians (not just muslms).


Finally, we shouldn't pray for safety of any muslim outside of Pakistan (per views expressed here) or Myanmar if we are going to arm their gov't which in turn doesn't care of muslims being massacred.

Edit: Actually, why do we condemn Hindu aggression or any non-muslim aggression towards muslim minorities? If what Myanmar does is their business, then what India does is her business. We should not complain why US is making deals with a hindu nationalist whose gov't commited muslim genocide or other extremist policies pursued by his gov't. Or why the US makes deals with Israel?


And this, my friends, is the hypocrisy.

why provide weapons to a regime as brutal as Burma ? we are not talking about non-lethal equipment like trucks, radios, boots. we are talking about planes that can drop hundreds of pounds of bombs

pakistan is keeping silent about Myanmar because of India

They will listen if the pressure is great enough. Your comment sounds like a finality, but finalities rarely occur in the real world.

if America and the West could not pressure Mynamar Pakistan's ability to do it is questionable
All the Burmese military junta has to do is to tilt towards India. Any pressure from Pakistan will stop.

 

[That Guy]

Will we give weapons to Islamic State to make them stop killing people? The Burmese muslims are in a similar situation, except the killings and genocide is STATE SANCTIONED.

Yar forget Muslims, as soon as you say Muslims the value of life falls a lot in peoples eyes. This is about basic human rights. Do people those people have no human rights?

They are being beheaded. They are being ethnically cleansed, they are not allowed to have children of free accord ( only applies to muslims in Burma) Burmese Muslims given two-child limit | World news | The Guardian

Yes, not weapons. Then follow that example. There is a reason you wont find a precedant for weapons, because it doesn't make sense. Try to grasp the logic in what you are saying " i want them to stop killing people, so ill give them more weapons that will make them stronger and international action harder against them, and it will become easier for them to kill people"

You can't just interchange weapons with other trade goods. That is a poor analogy.

What can Pakistan do to stop it? We can't do much, we can raise our voice at UN. But that does not mean we start selling them weapons, where is the sense in that? Just because we cant do much against them, lets make them stronger?

As the poster above pointed, you will find no example from prophets life, but i realise islam is considered a weak argument here in PDF, so i point out that you will find no precendent in international politics either.

Again, you're looking at it the wrong way. If they use Pakistani equipment, we can put conditions on them eventually. In the worst case scenario, they have to try and replace our equipment.

There is nothing we can do, but your point of just bringing it up with the UN is simply not going to work. I understand why you're against this, but Pakistan comes first.

 

[Zibago]

Again, you're looking at it the wrong way. If they use Pakistani equipment, we can put conditions on them eventually. In the worst case scenario, they have to try and replace our equipment.

There is nothing we can do, but your point of just bringing it up with the UN is simply not going to work. I understand why you're against this, but Pakistan comes first.

Like they are going to take dictation from us after PAYING for these jets

 

[That Guy]

Like they are going to take dictation from us after PAYING for these jets

I'm not saying it will happen, it probably won't and I doubt we actually sold the plane to Myanmar, but it is a possibility.