After LCA Tejas, India To Build Fifth Generation Stealth Fighter By 2028!

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After LCA Tejas, India To Build Fifth Generation Stealth Fighter By 2028!

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FEBRUARY25, 2017
After building light combat aircraft (LCA)Tejas - India's target is to build fifth-generation fighter aircraft(FGFA) indigenously. This is what H Siddesha, project director and technology director of LCA at the Aeronautical Development Agency of Ministry of Defense said here on Friday.

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Siddesha was in the city to deliver a guest lecture on the inaugural day of Footprints X7 - Gujarat's largest technical event organised for three days by the students of M S University's Faculty of Technology and Engineering for the seventeenth consecutive year.

FGFA, which is under development, is very much a future requirement for the Indian Air Force (IAF) upgrade programme. "It should take flight in 2028," he said.

Talking about Tejas, which has been inducted in the IAF, he said, IAF has placed an order of 123 Tejas Mark 1. "Every year, 16 Tejas aircraft will be built on two assembly lines. By 2024, all the aircraft will be inducted in the IAF whereas Tejas Mark 2 version will be ready by 2021," he said, adding that Tejas is superior to France's Mirage and China's JF-17 fighter jets.

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"So far, Tejas has taken 4,000 flights and in none of them, it has met with even a minor accident which is a record in itself.

The technical staff can replace the engine of Tejas within 45 minutes and the cockpit and flight control system are world class," he said, adding that although some countries have evinced interest in procuring Tejas from India, the government is yet to take the decision on whether it should be exported.

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On the inaugural day of Footprints, Dr Ulrich Bez, former CEO and current non-executive chairman of Aston Martin also delivered a guest lecture while a workshop of 'Biped Robotics' where participants were taught how to make an autonomous robot capable of running, walking and even doing 180-degree split was taught to the participants.

 

[艹艹艹]

2028
Why not the sixth generation

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Even as India and Russia sort out the issues facing the PAK-FA, there are suggestions from certain quarters that the Indian Air Force should look elsewhere for its future stealth fighter. This is ironic, considering that India’s indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is set to fly on technology developed in Russia.

K. Tamilmani, Chief Controller R&D (Aero) of the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO), says India has the basic technologies but Russia is cooperating in critical areas such as thrust vectoring.

Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency – which designed the Tejas warplane – had in 2015 asked for Russian assistance in getting the AMCA off the ground. Following a government to government memorandum, a number of Russian companies agreed to help out in the stealth aircraft project. The most significant partnership is between Klimov and the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) to develop three-dimensional thrust vectoring for the AMCA’s engines.

Other partnerships include a joint venture between the Electronics & Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) with the Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design for the development of an active electronically scanned array or AESA radar, and between ADA and Sukhoi for stealth and related technologies.

The ADA has a long wishlist. It pitches the AMCA as one of the world’s top dogfight dukes, boasting “extended detection range and targeting, supersonic persistence and high speed weapon release”. Close-combat operations will be facilitated by “high angle of attack capability, low infrared signature and all round missile warning system.”

A key Russian influence is supermanoeuvrability, which is defined as the ability of an aircraft to fly extreme manoeuvres such as Pugachev’s Cobra. Even the American F-35 stealth jet – which has swallowed $1 trillion during development – does not have supermanoeuvrability. It is an indication that the ADA is aiming for a truly world class fighter.

Tamilmani says “four prototypes are expected in 2019”. That may sound overly optimistic – especially in the backdrop of stealth fighter programmes in the U.S., Russia and South Korea experiencing developmental issues. However, it is also a pointer to the Indian defence establishment’s confidence in its ability to develop an entire weapons platform from scratch after the success of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft.

Different planes, different roles
Sukhoi’s PAK-FA (Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi or Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces) is intended to be an air superiority warplane, with ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary missions. Known as the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in India, it is a heavy aircraft that will perform the same role as the IAF’s Su-30MKI “air dominance” fighter.

On the other hand, the AMCA is aimed at replacing much smaller ground attack jets such as the Mirage-2000, Jaguar and Mig-27. The IAF will always have a need for a mix of aircraft, including large, medium and small jets for a variety of combat roles. Therefore, replacing the FGFA with the AMCA makes no sense at all.

Why is the FGFA important?
India has a steep learning curve in stealth fighter development. In this backdrop, the knowledge gained from the FGFA will help India in the indigenous AMCA.

To be sure, Indian scientists haven’t gained much hands-on experience in the project because the PAK-FA T-50 is a fairly mature aircraft for India to get substantial work share. In fact, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) – which initially hoped to get some development work from Sukhoi – has surrendered much of its quota of work.

While the T-50 may be far down the developmental path, the Russian side insists the FGFA is a different bird meant for Indian skies. “This is an entirely new project for building a new aircraft,” says Viktor N. Kladov, Director, International Cooperation, Rostec, Russia’s largest state holding company in the defence sector.


Even if the Indian role in the FFGA project remains confined to customisation – rather than joint development – it could still turn out to be valuable exposure for Indian scientists. Here one needs to look at the substantial Indian contribution to the Su-30 Flanker programme. The Indian MKI version of the jet is now the most advanced Flanker in the world, with the Russian Air Force also going in for the same standard. Customisation, therefore, shouldn’t be sneezed at.

Synergies in FGFA and AMCA
When India and Russia inked the FGFA deal in December 2011, HAL had only 15 per cent of the work share but was paying 50 per cent of the development cost. But India’s share in research-and-development was limited by its domestic industrial capabilities. The country had no expertise in stealth, which has taxed the world’s leading armament companies.

However, India’s work share will gradually increase as local engineers and scientists gain experience in the concurrent AMCA and FGFA projects. According to Igor Korotchenko, head of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Global Arms Trade, “Russia will certainly provide all necessary knowledge and logistics support to Indian specialists, but developing skills and acquiring experience in design and development of advanced fighter aircraft takes a long time and substantial effort.”

At Aero India 2017 in Bangalore, Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar saidthat the vexing issues in the FGFA were being sorted out. “There are some issues to be addressed in terms of manufacturing, how it will be exported after the project is completed and what approvals will be required,” he said.

The Defence Ministry has constituted a team to look into the various aspects of the FGFA and it is likely to submit its report within a month after which things would be finalised. A three-star officer is heading the panel.

Until the Tejas arrived, India had lacked a locally built jet fighter since the 1970s when it had the Marut and Gnat/Ajeet. Both were excellent fighters – especially the Gnat, which was a scare word in the Pakistan Air Force – but were retired quickly because the IAF wanted to only import foreign fighters. India thus lost development continuity. This blunder must not be repeated because airpower in the 21st century will reflect India’s manufacturing strength. With warplanes growing in complexity and costs, and hostile stealth aircraft about to debut in India’s neighbourhood, imports are certainly not an option.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_t...ca-is-set-to-fly-on-russian-technology_705808

 

[faithfulguy]

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"The Indian MKI version of the jet is now the most advanced Flanker in the world, with the Russian Air Force also going in for the same standard. Customisation, therefore, shouldn’t be sneezed at."

This author must never heard of su-35....

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Any neutral author ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Any neutral author ?

It is an India -Russia deal

why would we give third party access to our Joint Ventures

We need Russian help in stealth and Thrust vectoring and we are Getting it
That is the whole point

 

[#hydra#]

Anti Russian lobbies in PDF will not like this, fortunately we don't have much such people in ministry of defence.

 

[Bad Guy]

2028
Why not the sixth generation

Cuz we are yet to have fifth generation.
Anyway, stick Indian Defence Forum if you really wanna track the progress apart from media.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

It is an India -Russia deal

why would we give third party access to our Joint Ventures

We need Russian help in stealth and Thrust vectoring and we are Getting it
That is the whole point

I am talking about your su-30 mki & your tall claims .
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amca is more like indian money & russian technology . india dont have any thing good to share ( technologically ) if they have they should add it to their tejas first .

 

[Alok Arya]

I am talking about your su-30 mki & your tall claims .
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amca is more like indian money & russian technology . india dont have any thing good to share ( technologically ) if they have they should add it to their tejas first .

Actually we want these type of reactions from side . It is proofs of our achievement . Tejas is way better in each of aspects from jf 17 . And I am not here to change your mind . You can believe what you want . However when you come across any single aspect , how little it may be , in which jf 17 is better please post it . I will give you facts which break you claims in you heart .

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Actually we want these type of reactions from side . It is proofs of our achievement . Tejas is way better in each of aspects from jf 17 . And I am not here to change your mind . You can believe what you want . However when you come across any single aspect , how little it may be , in which jf 17 is better please post it . I will give you facts which break you claims in you heart .

Offer your tejas to Ecuador . . we will will see then

 

[Bad Guy]

Despite being an Indian I have only criticism for Tejas plane.

I don't understand what Indians blabber about when they say that Tejas plane is indigenous.

Let us take the promise of indigenous development. In 1986 an agreement was quietly signed with the United States that permitted DRDO to work with four US Air force laboratories. The to-be-indigenously-developed engine for the LCA -- Kaveri -- was forgotten and the US made General Electric F-404 engine was substituted. Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti, carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia and fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin. Design help was sought from British Aerospace, Avion Marcel Dassault and Deutsche Aerospace. Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France. As for armaments -- missiles, guns, rockets and bombs -- every last item was to be imported.

Could you please explain it on basis of terms?

Like by cost, by weight or by numbers?
LCA is 59.7% Indian made in terms of weight & 70% in terms of number of equipment.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Could you please explain it on basis of terms?

Like by cost, by weight or by numbers?
LCA is 59.7% Indian made in terms of weight & 70% in terms of number of equipment.

I think it is 95℅ imported in all sense.

 

[Alok Arya]

Offer your tejas to Ecuador . . we will will see then

Where are you when we are in Bahrain .

Please you sell to Ecuador .