Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Ladyuk]

Gold find..see if it can trend on twitter ..pretty surpisingly valid after 70 years


Punjabis dont represent 60% of the population
Lastly punjabi isnt even a single ethnicity...

More accurate representation is as following

Punjabi
38.78%(hold strong dominance)
Pashto
18.24%(probably second most dominant group in military)
Sindhi
14.57%
Saraiki
12.19%

Balochi
3%

Wrong my family have worked in the civil service and indeed punjabis make up for 60% of the population. And we are a ethnicity who are YOU to tell us other wise.

 

[H. Dawary]

Let me give you some in sight, since I'm part hindiko speaking punjabi. Many afghans don't recognise the Durand line because they believe wrongly that what is now kpk belongs to them historically.

This is factually incorrect because we hindikowan punjabis are the natives of this land we have lived here for thousands of years. Afghans/pathans only arrived with ghaznavi in the 11th century mainly yusefzai from Kabul. They killed the local people and took land then used it as a launch pad to invade, pillage and loot what is now pak/India 17 times.

But the bulk of afghans arrived in the 16th century. Even in the 1960s as per census Peshawar was a hindikowan speaking majority city. Therefore afghans have NO legitimate claim to our land this they know very well.



Your comments regarding punjab and it's demographics are incorrect majority people in punjab are Punjabi yes sure there are non punjabis, the largest ethnic group being kashmirs. We are also by logic the most in the military as far as business goes in punjab after punjabis kashmiri are the most represented in business.

Madam, in regards to KPK's history and people, that is another subject entirely. And as far my opinion on KPK, I think it should remain with Pakistan as the decision was made to become a state in confederacy with other Muslim peoples...

My intent is not to have a discussions as to what I think or what he thinks or what they think, my feelings are not involved here.

I am here with an open CHALLENGE to see how much of the history Pakistanis know of what occurred in 1947/1948, because thus far each and every single Pakistani just copies and pastes without opening any history book regarding what transpired at that time in regards to the Durand line. Thus far I have not come across any Pakistani who knows the history, and yet they harp like parrots "Afghanistan did not recognize Pakistan" and insult my countrymen without knowing the full history.

I want to see how much of the history some armchair historians actually know and then I will relate the history to them.

 

[nahtanbob]

You lack any knowledge to make such a comment. Punjab/Sindh itself are sooo diverse. There are many pushtuns, kashmiris, balochis and mojahers in punjab. Atleast half of punjab are outsiders. There are prob more pushtuns in karachi alone than all of kabul/kandahar combined.

How does it change the fact that Punjabi Muslims are the elite of Pakistan ?

 

[Ladyuk]

Madam, in regards to KPK's history and people, that is another subject entirely. And as far my opinion on KPK, I think it should remain with Pakistan as the decision was made to become a state in confederacy with other Muslim peoples...

My intent is not to have a discussions as to what I think or what he thinks or what they think, my feelings are not involved here.

I am here with an open CHALLENGE to see how much of the history Pakistanis know of what occurred in 1947/1948, because thus far each and every single Pakistani just copies and pastes without opening any history book regarding what transpired at that time in regards to the Durand line. Thus far I have not come across any Pakistani who knows the history, and yet they harp like parrots "Afghanistan did not recognize Pakistan" and insult my countrymen without knowing the full history.

I want to see how much of the history some armchair historians actually know and then I will relate the history to them.

Rora I agree with you that most pakistanis are very ignorant when it comes to their own history. Now every single Afghan I have met and interacted with online has a issue with the Durand line because they believe wrongly that it is historically their land.

As I've explained it's not, what I truly find baffling is this pashtunistan nonsense has gone pretty much unchallenged for over 70 years. No Afghan has any legitimate claim to our land.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject.

How does it change the fact that Punjabi Muslims are the elite of Pakistan ?

May I ask who are YOU ? And what exactly is your issue with us punjabis since your a yank going by the flag in your profile.

 

[ziaulislam]

Wrong my family have worked in the civil service and indeed punjabis make up for 60% of the population. And we are a ethnicity who are YOU to tell us other wise.

Well working in civil service doesnt give you education on population demographics does it?? Ofcourse it doesnt

Pakistan i know doesnt have 60% punjabi population ..may you know of alternative history pakistan

You do know how flags work right..i more an you are not kid right?..but from your comments it seems you dont know how the flag system works..
I would recomend going to introduction area and finding that out

 

[Ladyuk]

Well working in civil service doesnt give you education on population demographics does it?? Ofcourse it doesnt

Pakistan i know doesnt have 60% punjabi population ..may you know of alternative history pakistan

You do know how flags work right..i more an you are not kid right?..but from your comments it seems you dont know how the flag system works..
I would recomend going to introduction area and finding that out

Working in the civil service gives you access to demographics data so indeed the population of pakistan is 60% Punjabi. You being a non Punjabi seem to have a issue with this like most afghan/pathan people.

Secondly the issue of the flag was directed at the American poster but you seemed to have taken it personally. Indeed I know how the flags on profile work.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Our PM is a Pashtoon.

No he is not

60% of Pakistan's population are Punjabis.

You are a chutiam sulphte.Do not know any thing

 

[H. Dawary]

Working in the civil service gives you access to demographics data so indeed the population of pakistan is 60% Punjabi. You being a non Punjabi seem to have a issue with this like most afghan/pathan people.

Secondly the issue of the flag was directed at the American poster but you seemed to have taken it personally. Indeed I know how the flags on profile work.

Here's why Afghanistan refused to recognise the Pashtun areas of Pakistan... And later Ali Muhammad Jinnah decided to make a deal with Afghanistan to have a joint governance of KPK, but that was forgotten later on...

In essence we did recognise Pakistan right after it was promised to us that we would also govern KPK, but as soon as KPK was merged, did we decide to not recognise it... This is the full story...
Book: History Of Afghanistan by Jonathan L Lee Pages 551-552.

 

[Ladyuk]

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Here's why Afghanistan refused to recognise the Pashtun areas of Pakistan... And later Ali Muhammad Jinnah decided to make a deal with Afghanistan to have a joint governance of KPK, but that was forgotten later on...

Book: History Of Afghanistan by Jonathan L Lee Pages 551-552.

So correct me if I'm wrong but your saying people in kpk had only two option either go with pakistan or India they were never given a third option of pashtunistan.

If that's what your saying then as I have explained before afghans/pathans are not native to kpk we hindikowan punjabis are and have been living here for thousands of years indeed every major place is named by us. Again no Afghan has any legitimate claim to our land so no the demand for the third option of voting for pashtunistan is not valid. Also if you look up old censuses we hindikowan formed the majority in places like peshawar.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Punjabi Muslims

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Here's why Afghanistan refused to recognise the Pashtun areas of Pakistan... And later Ali Muhammad Jinnah decided to make a deal with Afghanistan to have a joint governance of KPK, but that was forgotten later on...

In essence we did recognise Pakistan right after it was promised to us that we would also govern KPK, but as soon as KPK was merged, did we decide to not recognise it... This is the full story...
Book: History Of Afghanistan by Jonathan L Lee Pages 551-552.

There was no KPK at that time

 

[H. Dawary]

So correct me if I'm wrong but your saying people in kpk had only two option either go with pakistan or India they were never given a third option of pashtunistan.

If that's what your saying then as I have explained before afghans/pathans are not native to kpk we hindikowan punjabis are and have been living here for thousands of years indeed every major place is named by us. Again no Afghan has any legitimate claim to our land so no the demand for the third option of voting for pashtunistan is not valid. Also if you look up old censuses we hindikowan formed the majority in places like peshawar.

Well the arguement was that we never recognised Pakistan, when in fact we did, but under the promise that we would also govern that area. Jinnah Promised us that we would also govern KPK, but that promise was forgotten after, which is why we did not recognise it afterwards... And yes, the British gave them only two options, not the third or the fourth...

There was no KPK at that time

Sorry, NWFP... Same thing.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Jinnah Promised us that we would also govern KPK, but that promise was forgotten after, which is why we did not recognise it afterwards.

When did Jinnah promised for joint rule of NWFP.

Bhai sahab this @nahtanbob guy is a Bharti troll. Not an American. He is ashamed of his original flags.

Yes you are right he is an Indian bhagat.No one in Pakistan call any body
Punjabi Muslim or Sindhi Muslim etc.In India yes they do

 

[Psychic]

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Book: History Of Afghanistan by Jonathan L Lee Pages 551-552.

It says that 55% people were in favor of joining Pakistan. [just because the turnout was 51percent? ]

So, the anti-Pakistan forces make wild guesses about the aspirations of those 49% who didn't come out to vote and somehow devise a mathematical equation to declare that only 55 percent wanted to join Pakistan? Disregarding the landslide victory in favor of Pakistan altogether (99% of the total votes cast).

 

[Ladyuk]

Well the arguement was that we never recognised Pakistan, when in fact we did, but under the promise that we would also govern that area. Jinnah Promised us that we would also govern KPK, but that promise was forgotten after, which is why we did not recognise it afterwards... And yes, the British gave them only two options, not the third or the fourth...


Sorry, NWFP... Same thing.

I have never before heard this claim that baba jinnah made this promise. Either way my original point stands since afghans aren't the natives of kpk they have no legitimate demand to claim the land or rule over it.

Something I have never really understood and maybe you can clear up for me, why don't the afghans/pathans who so badly wish to be part of this mythical pashtunistan simply move to Afghanistan where they are already the majority ethnic group. They can rule themselves, practice their culture etc I mean you have a entire country to yourselves instead of wrangling over a small province where you have no historical legitimate claim to.

 

[H. Dawary]

When did Jinnah promised for joint rule of NWFP.

Yes you are right he is an Indian bhagat.No one in Pakistan call any body
Punjabi Muslim or Sindhi Muslim etc.In India yes they do

"Afghanistan voted against the motion, though a few months later the govern did accord Pakistan recognition after Pakistani officials verbally promised Afghanistan that the two countries would negotiate over the management"

It says that 55% people were in favor of joining Pakistan. [just because the turnout was 51percent? ]

So, the anti-Pakistan forces make wild guesses about the aspirations of those 49% who didn't come out to vote and somehow devise a mathematical equation to declare that only 55 percent wanted to join Pakistan? Disregarding the landslide victory in favor of Pakistan altogether (99% of the total votes cast).

Yes 55% in deciding to be either with India or Pakistan, but not Afghanistan... Afghanistan was never on the table...

I have never before heard this claim that baba jinnah made this promise. Either way my original point stands since afghans aren't the natives of kpk they have no legitimate demand to claim the land or rule over it.

Something I have never really understood and maybe you can clear up for me, why don't the afghans/pathans who so badly wish to be part of this mythical pashtunistan simply move to Afghanistan where they are already the majority ethnic group. They can rule themselves, practice their culture etc I mean you have a entire country to yourselves instead of wrangling over a small province where you have no historical legitimate claim to.

Now you have to prove to me that Afghans aren't native to KPK, texts and copies, like I have. Then I will give you my proof. Anywho, my aim was to put that "Afghanistan did not recognise us" myth to rest.